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RFA

WikiThanks
WikiThanks
Belated thanks for your support on my RfA. I was hoping you would unredirect this so I could :) —Xyrael / 15:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please come back. You illuminate Wikipedia with your actions. It is not the same without you.--Chili14 21:20, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your congratulations. Come back when you're ready :) —Xyrael / 16:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fight it, Will

Don't ever lose hope. Never give up! Never surrender!

The Lone Wonderer

Wikipedia

The articles will still be there in ten or twenty years time. So there is no need to hurry. If you feel strongly about something, and truth is on your side, you will always win out in the end. Anyway, I wish you all the best, and hope that you don't keep feeling miserable. You can always put a note on my talk page anytime. :) Wallie 22:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep strong

Come back when you feel it right Will. I know it's been tough recently, with everything that's been going on, here and in real life. Just remember that you have lots of friends here, and we all miss you. Come back soon Will. Thε Halo Θ 11:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid there's nothing I can do,

…but if I can, and even if I can't but you just need a shoulder, don't hesitate. —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 23:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eeek

Yikes! Take care mate, take a break from Wiki for your own sake, please. – Chacor 17:25, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you need to have some time, please go ahead. Just come back after a while. Please don't commit suicide. That is letting your enemies win. We all value you and your hard work, even though there are some who would use it for their own gain.--Chili14 16:47, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Me again

—$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ has smiled at hugged you! Smiles Hugs promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to hugging someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

For the same reason I gave you the Purple barnstar and Halo and Snopake the Surreal barnstar. —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♫-) 00:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sometimes the simplest things say the most.
    Sometimes the simplest things say the most.
  • For all the work you've done here, both on the exopedian side and the metapedian side.
    For all the work you've done here, both on the exopedian side and the metapedian side.
  • For sticking to tasks and not shirking from the general duties of an administrator.
    For sticking to tasks and not shirking from the general duties of an administrator.
  • It seems to me sometimes that you never sleep. However, if you need some WikiSleep, please do. :)
    It seems to me sometimes that you never sleep. However, if you need some WikiSleep, please do. :)
  • For dealing with a sticky issue caused by a sticky user.
    For dealing with a sticky issue caused by a sticky user.
  • For your humour. Brevity and bluntness are the soul of wit.
    For your humour. Brevity and bluntness are the soul of wit.
  • Enough said.
    Enough said.
  • Please use it on those who need it and not yourself.
    Please use it on those who need it and not yourself.
  • Last but not least, you are loved by many and admired by more. Keep going on!
    Last but not least, you are loved by many and admired by more. Keep going on!

Me again. :) —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♫-) 19:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Will, you are stronger than you know.

Don't forget it. And never lose hope. 69.145.123.171 Yes, I'm really an IP Sunday, September 17, 2006, 04:30 (UTC)

Glad to see your back

Keep your head up. And again, don't let that stuff get you down. If you need to talk, you know how to reach me. Ungovernable ForceThe Wiki Kitchen! 00:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*PINCH*

Okay, so Pinch probably isn't something that's done often, but, meh :P. My computer's been playing up, so I'm using the downstairs one, thus, no MSN. E-mail me for now :( Thε Halo Θ 13:18, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just a moment.... Thε Halo Θ 13:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Sceptre for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page.

(See: User:Springeragh)

welcome back!

Hi there, we've never crossed paths on Wikipedia, but I had seen your name on the Esperanza alerts page, and on the Recent changes page a lot prior to this summer. I'm glad to see that you have returned. --Tachikoma 05:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My "Anniversary?"

Thank you for calling me a terrorist. [1] 206.124.31.24 06:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

npa2 warning re: User talk:206.124.31.24

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. This in regards to this edit that you made. Please refrain from comments like this. Thank you. --Tachikoma 19:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Adding on to my prior comment, I understand wanting to stick up for your friend. Nonetheless, referring to the anonymous user indirectly as a terrorist (talking about his/her 9/11 "anniversary") really is offensive. You may have been in a bad mood at the time, but really... Please avoid similar comments in the future, OK? Thank you. --Tachikoma 19:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not calling him a terrorist, actually, I'm not calling him anything. Will (Glaciers melting in the dead of night) 21:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Cliff pretty much summed it up on the user's talk page. Will (Glaciers melting in the dead of night) 21:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, after rereading it, I can see what you mean. I hope you understand that your choice of words was ambiguous and can be taken very differently from what you had intended. The anonymous user took a certain way, and I initially interpreted it in the same manner. Please be more careful in your choice of words in the future. Please also understand that I'm personally taking the 9/11 anniversary a bit hard, so that may also be affecting my judgement.
I'm sorry for doubting you and causing you more stress. As a side note, this is precisely why I don't want to become an administrator — too much stress, too much risk of making a mistake. I really don't like digging through people's contribution history and page histories trying to figure out who did what and who said what and who if anyone is in the wrong. Again, I'm sorry. This message will be crossposted to Cliff's talk page. --Tachikoma 21:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
(crossposted from message by Tachikoma on User talk:70.5.122.118Hello, this situation has been brought about by bad choices of words coupled with misunderstandings on all sides. I've gone through the page history of Springeragh's user page, and as far as I can determine, you seem to have initiated this dispute with this edit. If that is indeed true, then perhaps you should apologise to Springeragh and Sceptre. I will ask Sceptre to tell you personally that he was not calling you a terrorist.
I've tried to be fair and objective to all parties involved, and I've tried to spare everyone any sense of hurt. I'm sorry I ever got involved, and I don't want to do anymore on this matter beyond this message.
This message will be crossposted to both Springeragh's and Sceptre's talk pages.end quote
OK, Sceptre, would you please be willing to leave a message on User talk:70.5.122.118 saying that you weren't calling the person a terrorist? I hope that such a step will defuse this situation. As I told the anonymous user, I'm sorry I ever got involved and I don't want to do anymore regarding this matter. Thanks. --Tachikoma 00:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
(To be posted to User talks Springeragh, Sceptre, 70.5.122.118, and Tachikoma) It's my turn first. I personally don't believe the first warning was a mistake, but everything else may very well have been. I apologise for any stress, high blood pressure, insomnia, anxiety or any other thing I have caused, directly or indirectly. While the rest of us may have made our share [of mistakes], I will give you all the benefit of the doubt from here on out. :) —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♫-) 02:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
(To be posted to User talks Springeragh, Sceptre, 70.5.122.118, and Tachikoma—I am 70.5.122.118—see below about that.)
I'm sorry that I jumped to the conclusion that $ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ was a sockpuppet of Sceptre. I did honestly believe this to be true, at the time I made the claim. I am ready to accept that $ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ is simply a friend of Sceptre, and was eager to come to his aid when I responded hastily to what I perceived as a personal attack by Sceptre, and I acted out of haste to strike back. It appears, further, that the post by Sceptre, which I interpreted as a personal attack, must have been in response to a post or posts I made which were clearly offensive, or Sceptre would not have responded as he did. I apologize for any and all harm I have thus caused the community, and especially each of those noted, through this and resulting actions. I do intend to be more courteous and unassuming in regard to the actions of Wikipedia Admins in the future, and particularly those involved in this exchange. I have posted a note in regard to part of the confusion in the talk page for the article on sock puppetry.
This may come from an address other than 70.5.122.118 or 206.124.31.24, which I have no control over, as the latter is blocked and the former is not necessarily in my control. I would like to note as an anonymous editor that my experience in deliberately posting anonymously, for reasons which I consider valid, is that admins are quick to assume the intentions of anonymous posters are vandalism, and in my case, the posts I originally felt attacked for were legitimate Wikipedia entries. During the entire time, I could have actually committed what I feel is actual sock puppetry (see the talk entry) but have refrained, and only acted in response to what I felt was hostile, irrational and hasty blocking. I have used several IP addresses for my entries, as I am now using a service for which I have no control over the IP address used each time I log in, and I have used this as a feature to defend my use of IP address 206.124.31.24, which is also transient, but which changes less frequently. I do not/have not used this for the purpose of deception. 70.5.53.83 03:37, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Suspected sock puppets

Who exactly is accusing you of creating sockpuppets? I noticed that you created it, so... Anyway, I was really tempted to close it for lack of evidence, but will leave it for a few days. Let me know if you need anything. Thanks, Iolakana•T 19:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Advice regarding alpine huts?

Will, as you're a relative outsider to this topic, I'd value your objectivity. Talk:Elizabeth Parker (mountaineer) contains some discussion going back almost a month regarding the associated article page and along with Elizabeth Parker hut. Someone feels that the articles for the hut and the person should be merged with the Alpine Club of Canada page. On a related note, I recently did a page on the newly built Jim Haberl hut, which was given an AfD tag less than a minute after I created the initial stub.

I'm trying to complete pages for the twenty-five-odd mountain huts in Canada, on the grounds that Wikipedia should be a reference for all things, including what's covered by commercial references like bivouac.com and the ACC's own web site. The articles are stubs, but I'm hoping they can be filled out with nearby climbing/hiking/skiing objectives, more history, etc. More useful than the "brochures" on the ACC web site, cheaper and more complete than bivouac.com.

What's your take on all this? Should I continue adding hut pages and argue against the merges and deletions, or will deletionism beat out inclusionism? Should I just collapse all the hut articles into a couple of paragraphs on the ACC page and let the deletions happen? --ghoti 06:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hull ?

I noticed your first edit was to M62, and this image, it looks slightly familiar, do you live in Hull. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Liverpool ? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lost disambiguating

Hiya, thanks for asking. I actually spend a lot of time on the Wikipedia categorization projects, be it tagging uncategorized articles, categorizing those that haven't got a category yet, or reorganizing existing categories. In regards to your question, I have absolutely no doubt that consistency is the way to go. Clicking on any clearly-defined category, should definitely show all of the articles being within it, as having a similar naming convention. --Elonka 20:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RfA header at top points to wrong page

Will: At the moment, the "This user is currently undergoing a Request for Adminship" header at the top of your userpage and talkpage points to The Halo's RfA rather than your own. I suspect you copied it from his page and should now correct the referent. Please also see my comments under "Support" on your RfA itself. Newyorkbrad 17:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

... um, now it's pointing to your first successful RfA and not the current one. Newyorkbrad 18:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just saying something won't get something done unless you do it. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  19:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
True enough, but I have also seen people scolded pretty sharply for editing another person's user page. Newyorkbrad 19:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There's a fine line. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  19:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear

I'm sorry to see your RfA go. I'd nominate you again, but that probably wouldn't be wise. Still, though…just hang in, hang out, and hang loose! ;) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  19:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, I'm sorry to see how that RFA turned out as well. Syrthiss 19:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The Halo's RfA

Sceptre...
Thank you very much for your support in my request for adminship. Ultimately, no consensus was reached, and I failed to be promoted, but I am very grateful for your support.
Will, thank you for your support. It, as you know, means a lot.
Yours, Thε Halo Θ
Hey Will, thanks for the message. I'll hang in there, just as I hope that you will? :) Thε Halo Θ 20:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MFD

I've exceptionally closed the debate on the page User:Benon/sceptre. Although this is not a standard closure, it is my hope that it will satisfy most of the points brought up in the debate. If you STRONGLY disagree with this closure on a procedural level please leave me a talk page message rather than drag this to WP:DRV. Thank you, — xaosflux Talk 02:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

thanks

Hi Will (may I call you Will?), I was really afraid to post anything on your talk page before, because I was afraid that I might have hurt your feelings in that one sock incident (you remember what I'm talking about), and I didn't know what you thought of me. I hope you're not mad at me. My continued worries about the effects of my actions at that time contributed to my depression. I'm not saying that you were a contributing factor, but I have a really bad tendency to question everything I do. I guess you could call it perfectionism, but it only involves being anxious about things I do and not at all whatever anyone else does. A lot of other things were involved, mostly in real life. Please don't blame yourself for what I did (or tried to do).

I'm sorry that your recent RfA failed. I thought it was best that I didn't vote in the matter in any way, because as an involved party in that sock incident, I believed that there would be a possible conflict of interest, real or percieved. I'm not saying that I would have supported or opposed you, I'm just saying that it was best that I recuse myself from the situation. I do hope that you're feeling better now.

You know, this year has just really sucked.

Thanks again. --Kyoko 19:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear. I didn't know that she was still sick. I hope that she gets better soon. I would leave a message on her talk page, but I'm not certain if I should add to her ever-increasing backlog either. Thanks for letting me know about her. --Kyoko 14:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I left a follow-up "get well soon" message under one of the earlier headings on Sharon's talk page. Thanks again. --Kyoko 14:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:WeirdalWiki.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:WeirdalWiki.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. YellowDot 20:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edits

Will, why are you nominating all of these High School Musical articles for AfD? Seems to me that we should just merge them all.--Chili14 00:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Belated Birthday Thanks

Hi Will.

Thanks for the birthday wishes. Unexpected wikibreak, you know? Anyway, thanks very much.

Thε Halo Θ 12:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And remember, try not to let that coursework get on top of you ;)


Lostpedia

Hey, thank you for your words about seeing Lostpedia as passing the notability rules, its good to hear. Please could you weigh in at Talk:Lostpedia if you have the time, I'd like to hear what you have to say about the article, and what made you change your mind about getting rid of it. Thank you very much, --Nickb123 3rd 23:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow

I'm not even sure what I did to deserve that... but I can only assume it was something very slightly positive. :) I've seen you around a lot, nice to meet you. riana_dzasta 23:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the choccie. Glad to read you have man parts, too. All is right with the world. riana_dzasta 23:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, I think the above message requires some clarification. I am glad to read you have man parts, as well as being glad about the chocolate. I myself have never owned, nor hope to own man parts. I'm vaguely confused right now. riana_dzasta 00:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Another pie-eatin', pot-smokin' lib? Embrace me, brother! riana_dzasta 00:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, yeah, I've never smoked pot either. *shifty eyes* Heh, this reminds me of a chemistry lecture I had yesterday, when the lecturer was talking about speed and amphetamines and their structures, and suddenly launched into a speech about how the world drug industry is worth 500 billion dollars, how we should keep out children away from this because 76% of people in our jails have used hard drugs, etc. We reached the conclusion that we should keep half our children away from drugs at all costs, and push the other half into the drug industry - we want in on some of that dough!
Ah, here's me being a bad influence on younger minds. I'll stop now. :p riana_dzasta 00:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sacrilege! May the fires of hell strike you down!!! And now I have to push off to uni, but I'll continue berating you later. :) riana_dzasta 00:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aww, thanks

Hi there, and thank you very much. I'm now out of the hospital, and I missed all of you. Thanks also for helping to bump me out of the Wikipediholic Top 20 ;) --Kyoko 00:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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