Talk:Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder predominantly inattentive

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Okay, my first time trying to use the "talk" page, hope this works...

I read the abstract for the article cited to support this statement:

"It is indicated by recent studies that regardless of the numerous studies that have been done, the effects of prescription drugs on individuals with ADHD is not proven very effective".

This is not supported by the article, and is actually not what the study is investigating at all. The study is concerned with use of prescription drugs by individuals without an ADHD diagnosis. Let's change/remove that statement.

Just got diagnosed with ADD myself, and for the life of me cannot understand how editing on Wikipedia works, so I hope this comment is recieved by the community.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.185.150.82 (talk) 15:52, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Have read page and would just like to add that perhaps a section on " Parents who have ADHD " would be helpful for those family members who may need help in looking after their elder relations.

Thanks, your article page has been enlightening. 85.189.80.176 (talk) 20:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]


And may I [another editor] add re the above:

"It is indicated by recent studies that regardless of the numerous studies that have been done, the effects of prescription drugs on individuals with ADHD is not proven very effective."

(1.) "Effects" is plural, so you wouldn't say "is".

(2.) "Effects" aren't "effective" or "ineffective"; the drugs are.

So that whole sentence needs a rewrite. Sorry I don't have time right now. (I'm also having unusual trouble paying attention to this article, for some reason...) 96.49.9.52 (talk) 21:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ADD redirect to ADHD

ADD is simply the old name for ADHD (DSM 3). It does not specify a specific subtype of ADHD thus should simply redirect to ADHD. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think the source mentions that ADD was originally used for those who were inattentive and ADHD for those who were hyperactive. Enkidu6 (talk) 00:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DSM-5 giving ICD a "whack" on the head

The DSM-5 is whacking the ICD out of Wikipedia in many respects. But why? ICD is WHO (World Health Organization). Does Wikipedia "play sides" with standards? Doesn't this make Wikipedia a propaganda tool, then? 156.22.3.1 (talk) 03:03, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move: Move back to Attention deficit disorder?

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 16:30, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder predominantly inattentive → Attention deficit disorder – I recently came to this article because I was going to cite it in my latest comment (the one that is currently at the bottom) in a different move discussion. This article was moved by Doc James in 2013 upon the DSM-5 changes to names of disorders, and so on. But as was noted in WP:Med DSM-5 discussion in 2013 about moving article titles, we should not adhere solely to what the DSM-5 calls a medical topic when deciding on the topic's article name. This topic is still widely called attention deficit disorder, as also currently noted in the lead. So despite the lead stating that attention deficit disorder is a formerly matter, it isn't. WP:COMMONNAME and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles#Article titles should be considered in this case; WP:COMMONNAME pays respect to the latter in addition to stating that we should usually go by the most commonly recognized name. But I don't see any proof that medical sources have generally discarded the term attention deficit disorder. I will contact WP:Med about weighing in on this. Flyer22 (talk) 02:31, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Per Doc James's comments below, and the attention deficit disorder redirect having been remedied, I now oppose moving this article to Attention deficit disorder. Flyer22 (talk) 10:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. sovereign°sentinel (my mess) 04:47, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Sovereign Sentinel. —BarrelProof (talk) 06:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment struck after seeing other comments below identifying a distinction between this topic and ADHD. My impression is that the two are conflated in popular culture. Perhaps dab is needed. In any case, it seems clear that there are issues here that I do not understand well enough to justify expressing an opinion about the appropriate name for this article at this time. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:Commonname. Darx9url (talk) 08:56, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • support per WP: Commonname--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:48, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • ADD is really just the old name for ADHD. And it is still used commonly to mean ADHD but less commonly than ADHD. We should likely redirect ADD to ADHD rather than ADHD predominately inattentive. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I disagree. ADD and ADHD are often talked about as they're separate neurovariances. When people say ADD they often mean ADHD-PI and ADHD-C. Ms. Andrea Carter here (at your service | my evil deads) 17:58, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • ADD was the term for the condition in the DSM3 [1]. There is a form with and without hyperactivity. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:20, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Edit conflict. :/ I received my ADHD-C diagnosis under the DSM-IV and again under the DSM-5. I guess now the DSM-III is gone the term ADD is vague. I now oppose the move due to the vagueness of them "ADD" in referring to certain behaviors grouped under ADHD. Ms. Andrea Carter here (at your service | my evil deads) 13:29, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - No one calls it that. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 15:56, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with conditions - It should be clear that ADD is a type of ADHD in the article so people don't view them as separate. The article does a good job of that already though. :) Ms. Andrea Carter here (at your service | my evil deads) 18:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Yes! The WP:COMMONNAME argument is clear here. Axl ¤ [Talk] 10:38, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. After the recent clarification by Doc James, it is now clear that ADHD-PI is not the same as ADD. Axl ¤ [Talk] 20:25, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Clr324 (Ms. Andrea Carter here) and Axl, then what should we do with the Attention deficit disorder title/redirect? That term is still widely used, as a regular Google search and Google Books search show. Doc James, in his "13:20, 28 July 2015 (UTC)" post, stated, "There is a form with and without hyperactivity." Then why don't we settle on a common name for the title of this article and cover both aspects here? That would be a WP:Broad-concept article. As has been made very clear in this discussion, "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder predominantly inattentive" is not a common term/title. It is unnecessarily long, and, like I made clear above, we should not adhere solely to what the DSM-5 calls a medical topic when deciding on the topic's article name. In Doc James's "12:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)" post, he stated, "ADD is really just the old name for ADHD. And it is still used commonly to mean ADHD but less commonly than ADHD. We should likely redirect ADD to ADHD rather than ADHD predominately inattentive." It looks like that might be the route to go. But the title of this article is still a term rarely used. I'll repeat this below in the Discussion section. Flyer22 (talk) 01:07, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You could just me my Wikipedia pseudonym without the Ms. and here parts. ADD is a vague term that could refer to ADHD-PI, ADHD-PI and ADHD-C and ADHD as a whole. Plus, calling it ADD implies it is a separate variance from ADHD. My proposal is we shorten the title to the initials ADHD-PI. Andrea Carter (at your service | my evil deads) 04:24, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Clr324 (last time WP:Pinging you to this discussion because I assume that you will check back here if you want to read replies or that this page is on your WP:Watchlist), what you or others state about "ADD" being vague is why I proposed a WP:Broad-concept article. As for going by the initials for the article title, we usually don't go by the initials for article titles...even in the case where the initials are more commonly used than the full-form. See WP:Article titles, especially its WP:Article titles#Article title format section. We should also be keeping in mind what "ADD" usually refers to, which means that it's not as vague as one might think. It currently redirects to the Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder article. Flyer22 (talk) 04:59, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A broad concept article sounds fair. Andrea Carter (at your service | my evil deads) 05:03, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
On a side note: The reason I noted both forms of your name is so that no one is confused as to which editor I am talking to. I wanted to make it clear that Clr324 is "Ms. Andrea Carter here." Flyer22 (talk) 05:05, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You could've just used Andrea Carter but whatever, it is my fault anyways. Andrea Carter (at your service | my evil deads) 07:29, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We have a broad article on the topic of ADHD/ADD and it is called attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. All the redirects are now correct. This article is about one subtype of ADHD/ADD and is thus a subpage of the previous article. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:09, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Flyer22, "Attention deficit disorder" currently redirects to "Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder". That article includes the statement "Before 1987 the condition was known as attention deficit disorder (ADD)." The redirect is appropriate. Axl ¤ [Talk] 10:58, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Axl, yes, I know. Flyer22 (talk) 11:18, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: per Commonname. This title is an unnecessary tongue-twister even to read. Fylbecatulous talk 11:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Please do move it back, maybe this is the technical term, but it is too confusing for the general public. Considering that ADD is already a general accepted term. Even though I love the technical correct name for it, I showed it to some friends of mine here at the TU Delft library, and they didn't understand it. They know what ADD is, but that term was too long and confusing.EllenvanderVeen (talk) 12:15, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Evidence is there any evidence that ADD is "Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder predominantly inattentive"? From my understanding ADD is just the old name for ADHD not the old name for one type of ADHD. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:35, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This article is not about ADD but about a specific type of ADD (that without hyperactivity). Making the change would make the title wrong. ADD is simply the old name for ADHD to which it is now redirected. The article previously contained an error and I have fixed it. User:Axl thought? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:02, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

  • Evidence supported First I would like to say that I am in no way an expert in mental illnesses. I believe that Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder predominantly inattentive is the most correct term to use, since the latest manual of DSM uses this and is approved by medical experts in this field.

- DSM-V states on the ADHD criteria that: 314.00 (F90.0) Predominantly inattentive presentation: If Criterion A1 (inattention) is met but Criterion A2 (hyperactivity-impulsivity) is not met for the past 6 months.

- DSM-III states on ADD criteria that: Diagnostic criteria for Attention Deficit Disorder without Hyperactivity The criteria for this disorder are the same as those for Attention Deficit Disorder with Hyperactivity except that the individual never had signs of hyperactivity (criterion C).

ADD is the term used in DSM-III to designate a significally dysfunctional state in a large group of children and adolescents that is characterierized by a failure to remain attentive in situations, expecially in school and at home, where it is socially necessary to do so.

The real question remains if Wikipedia is going to follow the latest guide of DSM or an older version that is generally accepted and understood by the public (version III from 1980). Both versions seem to include all the other criteria, and both having the exclusion of hyperactivity criteria. I think James is right, but I think that we should also take history into account and look at what the general public (our main readers) will understand and recognize. Being right doesn't always mean it is the best option. I feel it is not the time yet to use this confusing term, since also the scientific literature seems to use both terms. EllenvanderVeen (talk) 16:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes so per the DSM III we have "ADD with hyperactivity" and "ADD without hyperactivity". Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder predominantly inattentive would than align to "ADD without hyperactivity"
ADD became ADHD. Have corrected our article to reflect this. If we move it which I do not support us doing than it should be to Attention deficit disorder without hyperactivity Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:07, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We have this source [2] which describes the changes in nomenclature. Basically 1980 DSMIII two types of ADD with/without hyperactivity. 1987 DSMIIIR ADHD introduced to replace both the previous. 1994 DSM4 introduces two types of ADHD, hyperactive-impulsive and inattentive types. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This ref is more clear [3]. An overview from the CDC [4] User:Flyer22 thoughts? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Doc, your WP:Ping didn't work for me. But I asked above: What should we do with the Attention deficit disorder title/redirect? That term is still widely used, as a regular Google search and Google Books search show. Doc James, in his "13:20, 28 July 2015 (UTC)" post, stated, "There is a form with and without hyperactivity." Then why don't we settle on a common name for the title of this article and cover both aspects here? That would be a WP:Broad-concept article. As has been made very clear in this discussion, "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder predominantly inattentive" is not a common term/title. It is unnecessarily long, and, like I made clear above, we should not adhere solely to what the DSM-5 calls a medical topic when deciding on the topic's article name. In Doc James's "12:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)" post, he stated, "ADD is really just the old name for ADHD. And it is still used commonly to mean ADHD but less commonly than ADHD. We should likely redirect ADD to ADHD rather than ADHD predominately inattentive." It looks like that might be the route to go. But the title of this article is still a term rarely used. See the Find sources notice template with this post.
Flyer22 (talk) 01:07, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Attention deficit disorder (ADD) was the name used for attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder between 1980 and 1987. Since 1987 ADHD has been the official term.
There are two main types of ADHD/ADD. One type is without hyperactivity/predominantly inattentive. The other type is with hyperactivity/predominantly hyperactive-impulsive type.
This article is not about ADHD/ADD but about a single subtype of the condition, specifically the ADHD PI or ADD without hyperactivity type.
The terms Attention deficit disorder and ADD were previously properly redirected to ADHD. Someone than mistakenly redirected them here. I have fixed this. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:06, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay then, I oppose moving this article to Attention deficit disorder; I will note this above. Flyer22 (talk) 10:34, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Since Damian Yerrick is the editor you reverted, as seen here and here, I am WP:Pinging him to this discussion so that he knows what is going on. Flyer22 (talk) 10:42, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. Thanks Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:26, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

adult symptom listed doesn't make any sense

"Hesitative responses, doubt, and delayed execution due to inattention remembering information"

Inattention is not a subject, that can remember information. Remembering relevant information could be the cause for "Hesitative responses, doubt, and delayed execution", but that's already a guess. Also still wrong grammar. And no mention of relevant or irrelevant. No idea why "remember" links to memory>recall. I could look there, but that sounds stupid, so I won't. The table doesn't have any sources given, so I can't look those up either. It's oddly satisfying how meta this article is :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Must.learn.more. (talk • contribs) 16:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Also: "Difficulty finding misplaced tools after task switching due to bypassing adequate memory storage" is an enigma wrapped around a mystery as well. "adequate memory storage" is exactly what? Pretty sure that's not a thing. Or has some more technical definition, that needs elaboration and is probably not valid in all models of memory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Must.learn.more. (talk • contribs) 16:34, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]


ADHD and and other neurodiversities

ADHD does cooccur with other neurodivergencies, such as autisism. infact theres has been a study that suggested that 60% of autistic people also ADHD and 40% if adhd diagnosed people are autistic as well. " cant occur with other pervasive developmental disorders" is outdated.

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