Talk:Daniel R. Lucey

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:13, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that infectious diseases expert Daniel R. Lucey's work on bioterrorism prepared him to advise on the 2001 anthrax scare (anthrax lesion pictured)? After 9/11, Lucey warned officials that “bioterrorism was going to be the second type of attack...But at about the same time, letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several media outlets....Thanks to Lucey, Washington Hospital Center was prepared. [1]
    • ALT1:... that Daniel R. Lucey remembered that the first case of SARS in Toronto in 2003 was missed? Dr. Lucey, however, recalled that the SARS outbreak in Toronto in 2003 started with one missed case. [2]
    • ALT2:... that emerging infectious disease specialist Daniel R. Lucey worked on HIV/AIDS before we discovered it but after it discovered us? His residency in San Francisco was during the initial recognition of the AIDS pandemic in 1982-85, starting before our species had discovered HIV (in 1983) but when the virus had already discovered us. [3]
      • ALT3 ... that emerging infectious disease specialist Daniel R. Lucey has spent more than 30 years "chasing things you wouldn't want to catch"? For more than 30 years, Daniel Lucey has been chasing things you wouldn’t want to catch.[4]
      • ALT4 ... that emerging infectious disease specialist Daniel R. Lucey advocates stockpiling chest tubes in the preparation for a biothreat from anthrax?
Reviewed: Queen's Oak

5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 21:01, 3 February 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • I think "before we discovered it but after it discovered us?" is a quote. Please add to the article and source it.Philafrenzy (talk) 21:23, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Long enough, 5x expanded, nominated in time, stable, QPQ done. Image is appropriate, with suitable license. I have various problems with the article. The expansion has left it rather bloated and repetitive, and the repeated quotation of the subject's words feels to me to verge on promotional. Earwig won't complete for me, but looking at the sources by eye revealed several minor instances of close paraphrasing from Ref 1 and 10. I will copy these to the talk page for reference.
Sourcing: The first sentence under "Washington Hospital Center" is unsourced. The remainder has appropriate inline citations but several of the sources are not particularly high quality (5, 29: blogs; 8, 14 press releases). There's a big reliance on Ref 1 which is to an alumni magazine.
Hooks are all concise. Alt1 is the only one I can support at this time. The main hook is not adequately supported; the alumnus magazine is not sufficiently independent to label him as an "expert", and the remainder of the hook is not directly covered. Alt 2 is sourced to a student blog, and the paraphrased quotation is problematic. Alt3 is nicely hooky, but does not seem to be in the article! Alt4 is rather dull, and sourced to a press release. All of Alts 2,3,4 need the plural taking out of "diseases" used adjectivally, I believe. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:53, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Espresso Addict:...Thank you for going through so thoroughly...will message you once been through. Whispyhistory (talk) 09:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT5 ... In January 2020, infectious disease specialist Daniel R. Lucey hypothesised that the virus (pictured) causing the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak may have been quietly circulating among humans from at least November 2019? Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist…contends the virus was already circulating silently among humans before it contaminated the seafood market [5] and… it is possible that the initial human infection took place in November if not earlier. [6]...Lucey: "The hypothesis is that the initial emergence of the virus was not the Huanan seafood market. Spread of the virus was already occurring person-to-person in October-November (or earlier) and gradually increasing into December." [7] Whispyhistory (talk) 13:44, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Espresso Addict:... Are you able to have another look? I prefer ALT5 and am still editing the article. I don't I will ever finish with it. Whispyhistory (talk) 12:35, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alts 3, 5 and 5a are ok. The new image is attractive and has an appropriate licence. Close paraphrasing has been rewritten. I still cannot make Earwig complete, but spot checks have not found copying. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:21, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @Espresso Addict:...ALT5a is probably best. Whispyhistory (talk) 08:29, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Review

As I wrote in the DYK review, I found some minor instances of close paraphrasing that could do with attention.

Earwig (before it died on me) found a relatively high %age with [8]; I don't consider any of the hits here a real problem, but some elegant variation might be worthwhile to break up the blocks it finds in the lead and in "2014 was also the year that he proposed an exhibition on epidemics to the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, where he is a research associate in Anthropology."

By eye, I noticed the following that could do with moving further from the source; I didn't do exhaustive checks, so there might be others.

From Ref 1:

"During the 1980s, he took care of people affected by HIV/AIDS, at a time when the disease was a mystery." (lead) cf

"In the 1980s, he took care of patients in San Francisco who were suffering from a mysterious disease that would become known as AIDS."

"Following the September 11 attacks, Lucey was in Washington DC during the anthrax scare..." (lead) cf

"He was in Washington, D.C., when an anthrax scare closely followed the terrorism attacks of 9/11..."

"He was in Washington DC during the anthrax scare, when in the later months of 2001, letters containing anthrax spores were posted to a number of media outlets and two U.S. senators, killing five people and infecting 17 others. Having prepared protocols and arranged stock piles of antibiotics for potential bioterrorism incidents, he helped prepare the hospital for those anthrax attacks." cf

"As chief of the infectious diseases section at Washington Hospital Center in Washington, D.C., he helped develop protocols and convinced the pharmacy director to order a lot of antibiotics. ... But at about the same time, letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several media outlets. In early October, contaminated letters were also mailed to two U.S. senators. The attacks killed five people and infected 17 others. Thanks to Lucey, Washington Hospital Center was prepared."

"...injecting the antibiotics directly into the space around the lung." cf

"they injected the antibiotics directly into the space around the lung..."

From Ref 10:

"Lucey noted that the first case of anthrax presented with meningitis" cf

"Lucey (2005) notes that meningitis was the presenting symptom in the first diagnosed case of anthrax in the 2001 anthrax event;"

"Prior to 2001, anthrax was rarely encountered and was known as woolsorter disease due to its occurrence in those who worked with wool." [this needs to state inhalational explicitly as cutaneous anthrax is not particularly rare and not known as Woolsorter disease] cf

"Before October 2001, inhalational anthrax was rarely seen but was known as Woolsorter disease because workers in industrial mills were at the highest risk of exposure from the hides, wool, and hair of contaminated animals..."

Out of the scope of the DYK review, I also noted the following, for reference:

  • Capsule in first sentence is needed (nationality, state explicitly physician or researcher or both)
  • Article is a bit light on dates (can you extract them from his online CV?)
  • Needs minor copy edits in places eg removing unneeded caps for diseases, "a MD", some tense issues
  • Inaccurate quote capitalisation eg "The summer in Africa transformed me..."
  • Awards -- suggest mentioning the IDSA & ACP fellowships as these contribute to notability
  • I'd suggest removing the names of non-notable children
  • The favourite quote feels like trivia
  • 100 research papers and book chapters could be removed -- actually quite low published research papers (90) and book chapters don't usually count
  • Selected publications does not conform to the usual -- book chapters are usually excluded, only max ~5 research articles which should generally be the highest cited, which usually does not include a book review. The full citation details are missing.

Hope all this helps in developing the article. Espresso Addict (talk) 08:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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