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Happy New Year, Steel1943!

Happy New Year!

Steel1943,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Cricket articles

Thanks. Despite being around for ages and ages I didn't realise that I could go down the speedy route for the redirects I'd identified. I'll take any others I find down that route.

As you're currently doing all the DENY stuff, can I ask you to take a look at List of English cricket people to 1787? This was moved to its current title in September, without discussion from List of English cricketers to 1771 and now overlaps with List of English cricketers (1772–1786). By the same sock. Because it's quite complex I was saving that for later, but if you're in a position to move it back over the redirect then I'll tidy up everything behind that. No worries if that's not possible just now. Blue Square Thing (talk) 22:34, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

    • Thank you. I'll get on tidying it up today. There will probably be a few other moves that might need attention, but we'll get to those at some point. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:17, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Deleting your comment

Sorry if the deletion seemed rude at Talk:Smartphone zombie, that wasn't the intention, appreciated you making the correction that I'd missed. I just wanted to spare every visiting RM editor from having to read through an extra paragraph of me overexplaining something that wasn't relevant any more. Belbury (talk) 17:11, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

@Belbury: I know it wasn't your intention to be rude, but yeah, WP:TPO is pretty strict. There's another solution for this that will probably work for both of us ... one moment ... Steel1943 (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
@Belbury: See edit. Steel1943 (talk) 18:11, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Looks like Wikipedia:Mutual withdrawal might be a simpler option? I hereby give you permission to erase my comment! But if you prefer to have the record kept, that's fair enough. Belbury (talk) 18:16, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
@Belbury: I've been editing regularly for over a decade, and I had no idea that essay existed. I consent to that, and I'll take care of it. Steel1943 (talk) 18:18, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
A new one to me as well, turns out it was only written last year. Thanks for tolerating my persistence! Belbury (talk) 18:22, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

thanks for starting the rm for me, i'm fairly new to wiki-ing

anything else i should know about this procedurally DarmaniLink (talk) 18:32, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

@DarmaniLink: I'd consider editing your comment a bit so that it reads like a move proposal rather than you stating you are going to move the page. Other than that, everything else has now been done. Steel1943 (talk) 18:33, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
alright, thanks DarmaniLink (talk) 18:35, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

IPs can close discussions

Steel, how you found what upcomings that are no longer upcoming? Also, it's the first time I closed a discussion and moved it to the talk page. That discussion is actually a wrong forum, which is a page move request. 176.88.82.7 (talk) 16:06, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Steel, they are added to "Upcoming no longer upcoming" section by me

No, do not revert. They are all my deletion suggestions, and I'm your helper. 176.88.82.7 (talk) 18:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

READ MY COMMENT ON YOUR PAGE. MY CAPS IS INTENTIONAL AS YOU ARE PISSING ME OFF. Steel1943 (talk) 18:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

"Garuda (upcoming film)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Garuda (upcoming film) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 3 § Garuda (upcoming film) until a consensus is reached. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 18:51, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

RM template

Does the RM template actually break if the numbers are non-sequential? I was initially cleaning that up but appeared to be functioning fine - if it was only appearing to, I'll make sure to fix that in the future. BilledMammal (talk) 07:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

  • @BilledMammal: To answer your question: Yes. See this edit, which was performed by a bot on the RM discussion list page after I fixed the nomination template. Steel1943 (talk) 15:42, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

"Cheese & onion" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Cheese & onion has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 20 § Cheese and Onion until a consensus is reached. Thryduulf (talk) 18:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Contested move

A contested move on which you commented at WP:RM/TR has been transferred to Talk:Pinocchio (Soundtrack from the Netflix Film)#Requested move 27 March 2023. - Station1 (talk) 23:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

"Template:G14" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Template:G14 has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 8 § Template:G14 until a consensus is reached. 192.76.8.84 (talk) 14:30, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Deleting link templates

Hi there! I'm nominating a few or many templates you have created that produce many internal links. You can find it's entry here. I invite you to discuss the nomination there. SWinxy (talk) 05:48, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Gru (disambiguation)

Can't we/I just link Despicable Me in the page? ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 19:46, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

  • No since Gru exists: There can be only one blue like per line. Steel1943 (talk) 20:06, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Notice

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Personal attacks from C. A. Russell. Thank you. Randi Moth TalkContribs 11:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your work!

Just wanted to pop by and give some encouragement and thanks. You are very obviously a skilled and dedicated Wikipedia contributor and not a robot. I appreciate you! Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 16:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

May 2023

Is Kirk Thornton technically an actor? Because he is just a voice actor. ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 20:53, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure what you are taking about since you did not link any articles, but most likely, WP:PRECISE is relevant. Steel1943 (talk) 15:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

The Game

please check my last edit on that page if I gave correct info ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 07:18, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Accidentally deleted your RfD section

Hello, I deleted your Leave Entitlement section from today's RfD in this edit. I tried to fix it here after an hour. I think it's fine, but since I didn't notice deleting it in the first place maybe you could double-check.

No idea what happened, but I'm guessing some bug wrt to those subsection edit links. I'll be less trusting of them in the future. ― Synpath 22:11, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

BLAR and redirect stuff

See @Sergecross73 rationale then [1]. It is fine to bold redirect or merge articles that arent notable. Also, whats with that "and please stop WP:BLARing articles as you have already been warned multiple times to stop doing this", I mean I have been warned only once by you and Haleth about Blaring GA articles, but this one isn't GA at all. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 04:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, if we're talking about something like this, and you just object a specific instance of it because of a particular article's stance, then that's fine. But you can't ask an editor to stop making WP:BOLD edits, no. There are times where specific editors are deemed disruptive if their judgement calls are consistently against standards and overturned/rejected, but I can generally anecdotally say that GreenishPickle is acting in good faith and has a relatively good track record at AFD and in merge discussions. Sergecross73 msg me 12:55, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
@Greenish Pickle!: Incorrect, I warned you about BLARs in general with a one-sentence mention of GA ([2]). And here's another instance of another editor reverting your BLARs in the past week: [3]. (There's I think at least 2 more I've seen in the last month, which is unfortunate since I asked you to lay off the BLARs a month ago, but the amount of effort I care to put into this at the present time is limited to requesting that you to review your article-space edits during the last month.) Bottom line is, I disagreed with the BLAR, so WP:BRD applies, and your next venue is WP:AFD. You've been warned by multiple editors on either your talk page, or reverting your BLARs, on how you doing these BLARs are bad. I've been considering starting a community discussion to ban you from BLARs, but now that I'm getting ganged up on by another editor on this (Sergecross73), it's a stick I'm probably dropping since I stay out of time-consuming drama on Wikipedia these days (if I see there a clear chance that I would need to participate in the discussion more than posting just one comment). As much as I enjoy editing Wikipedia, real life trumps this crap any day. Steel1943 (talk) 15:05, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
I am not trying to "gang up on you", I'm just explaining it you, largely because another experienced editor recently seemed to suggest there's something wrong with BLARing too, which is a fine personal philosophy, but not a viewpoint you can push upon others because WP:BOLD clearly supports it. (But as you say, BOLD supports doing it once. BRD says it shouldn't happen multiple times in the same article.)
I do partially understand your frustrations- I believe the community is getting burned out on all these character merge discussions. But as long as the majority are closing as merge/redirect/delete, I doubt any community sanction would be successful. Sergecross73 msg me 15:20, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
@Sergecross73: Agreed, my apologies for the way I worded that. What I meant was that now that I see another side of this argument, I'm probably not going to pursue my preferred course of action because the resolution I believe needs to occur is not clearly uncontroversial. Steel1943 (talk) 15:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. Makes sense. Sergecross73 msg me 16:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
"It's a stick I'm probably dropping since I stay out of time-consuming drama." What a little bit dramatic but ok. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 16:32, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Please don't unnecessarily provoke. Sergecross73 msg me 16:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

MOS:LAYOUT

Hi! In regard to Aberdeen Angus, do please actually read the MOS page you're citing. The relevant section is Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Links to sister projects, which reads (in part) "If the article has no "External links" section, then place sister links at the top of the last section in the article. More precisely, box-type templates ( ... ) have to be put at the beginning of the last section of the article (which is not necessarily the "External links" section) so that boxes will appear next to, rather than below, the list items. Do not make a section whose sole content is box-type templates". Sister-project links are not not considered to be WP:EL. Would you you be kind enough to revert your mistaken revert? Not that it really matters, except for the accessibility problem of the refs in excessively narrow columns. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:55, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: Compromise edit incoming as I don't agree with the notion that sister project links are not external links ... since they are. In addition, the "...-inline" templates are not "box-type" templates ... notice that I used a different template than the "box-type template". ({{Commonscat}} vs {{Commonscat-inline}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:57, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
@Justlettersandnumbers: [4]. Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
...And wow, I don't agree with the wording of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Links to sister projects, given it makes more sense (to me) to do it the way I did. Possible discussion coming soon, provided such a discussion is not a perennial discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:04, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Wowwie, reading that section, it has a bit of contradicting instruction creep ... hope to fix that. Steel1943 (talk) 20:17, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
@Justlettersandnumbers: FWIW, I just reviewed WP:EL, and I cannot find anything specific there stating links to sister projects are not external links: The only Wikimedia-related mention on that page states that "non-English Wikipedia" links are not considered external links. Am I missing something? Steel1943 (talk) 21:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Well, I think it can be inferred from the statement that an External links section should not be created solely for them. I just can't see the point of creating such a section (which functions effectively as a spam magnet) when there's no need – Occam's Razor seems to apply. You might note that the box-type link had been in the article without any problem for just over fourteen years when you changed it the day before yesterday. Yes, I agree that the guidance is not clear, and possibly also not needed, but I don't think that's the most urgent problem facing the project at the moment. Thanks for the other change you made. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 07:43, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

New Page Patrol

Hey Steel1943, hope you're doing well. I wanted to reach out to see if you'd have any interest in rejoining the New Page Patrol team. I see that you have 2,000+ patrols and that your permission was procedurally removed after a year of inactivity. You're one of the most active editors at WP:RFD, and I could definitely use some help with the redirect backlog that's been piling up. I think your expertise in redirects would be a great asset but I completely understand if you're not interested in taking on anything more at this point in time. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: I appreciate you reaching out to me regarding some of the work that you do here on Wikipedia, in addition to asking me if I would be interested in joining your efforts. As you noticed, I lost a lot of my privileges due to having over a year of inactivity back in 2021; At this point, I have requested all of the privileges that I have any plans on utilizing at any point in the future. (I also had the file mover privilege, but have not asked to restore that privilege because I just have not been active there since I returned back to editing; I had previously monitored the file upload log.) Long story short, after all that has happened over the past few years on and off Wikipedia, I don't have the amount of time to dedicate to Wikipedia as I used to, and I kind of just do what I want here and there in spurts, and then take sporadic breaks. I'll keep this in mind though if I ever feel like getting more involved. Steel1943 (talk) 20:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
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