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Reason for deleting an article

Hello, I am about to create an article(a biography), but i saw that the pages of the title have recently been deleted/removed, the last action was by you, so i just wanted to ask if there is any specific reason behind it(coz many articles that people tried to create about the same person have been removed), is it like they were writing incorrect and unreliable information there? or is it controversial? Just confirming with you so that i can go ahead with creating the page.

This is the page that was deleted by you. 22:34, 14 November 2023 Justlettersandnumbers talk contribs deleted page Manoj Jarange Patil (R2: Cross-namespace redirect from mainspace)

or you can just visit this link and see the log https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&title=Manoj+Jarange+Patil&create=Create+page AnalyserOP (talk) 09:11, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for asking, AnalyserOP. Given the embattled history of that page and your relatively brief experience in this project, may I suggest that you work instead on the draft version of the page, which is here? Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:11, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. Alright, if you say. I'm a new contributor still, shouldn't be writing a whole new article. Thanks for the suggestion. AnalyserOP (talk) 14:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I note that you sent this for G11, which was declined. You may wish to influence its fate either way at AfD. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 08:50, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted promo edit

Hi,

Just a quick query that I’m hoping you can help me with…

Back on 2/1/24 you reverted a promo/copyvio edit on the page for Legal & General. The text of that edit is now no longer on the article history (presumably due to the copyvio).

The reverted editor has now declared a COI and has attempted to make a complete rewrite of the lead part of the current article via a request at the talk page (i.e. following the correct process).

I wonder if you could take a look and let me know if the new request bears any similarity to the material that you previously reverted.

Any assistance gratefully received. Axad12 (talk) 09:32, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note, Axad12! As you've probably seen, I removed a small amount of copyvio from the same source as before, and also commented on the merits of the edit request. Thanks, regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for your help here. There has been quite a lot of disruptive promo editing on that page (and also the page of the company's former CEO) over the last 18 months, mostly by redlink SPAs and IP addresses. Hopefully it will now end, as declaring the COI doesn't make it any easier for them to introduce promotional text. They've been directed to WP:PROMO on maybe 10 previous occasions, but maybe this time they will get the message. Thanks again. Axad12 (talk) 08:42, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, just a quick query following on from the above...
You may recall that there was a disclosed paid COI editor trying to make some promo edits to the page for Legal & General.
My understanding was that a disclosed COI meant that changes could only be made via suggestions at article talk pages, however I note that the user recently changed the photo on the article for the company's previous CEO Nigel Wilson (businessman) without discussion. (They have stated in the edit summary that they have permission, but I'm interpreting that as being permission to use the revised photo, not permission to make the edit).
Interested to hear your thoughts here. Axad12 (talk) 03:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Axad12! In the greater scheme of things I don't think adding or changing a photo is too terrible a thing for a COI/paid editor to do. In this case it turned out to be a copyvio, so has been deleted on Commons – you might like to revert to an earlier version of that page with the previous photo. I've tried to give the user a bit more advice/guidance. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for getting back to me. I agree that it was a fairly minor thing. I'm just concerned that every edit that this user makes ends up falling foul of PROMO, COPYVIO or both and ends up being reverted.
The same can be said for the other (apparently linked) accounts which have made identical edits to the same 3 pages going back now over about 18 months (and which in all likelihood have all been the same end user).
If all of that activity had been on a single account there's every chance the user would have been blocked some time ago, but as it is they just continue to waste other users' time. Axad12 (talk) 19:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion.

Hi. I hope you are doing well. I edited the page after this deletion banner and I am sure this time it is not advertising. And I wanted to know page is well cited and I have added lots of refrences so, Why you delete the page. Will you please help me regarding it? Humaira28 (talk) 16:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I request you to reconsider that. Humaira28 (talk) 16:33, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) User has repeatedly re-created this as a draft and is now using a sock account User:Aira28 to add more versions. Theroadislong (talk) 19:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
if i stop doing this. Actually I did not know about this. If I work from main account only will it be fine? Aira28 (talk) 19:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Its my first time in wikipedia that is why i do not know about accounts. Please tell me if I start working from previous one and never open this one will it be fine? Aira28 (talk) 19:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand what you are saying about neutrability. I will resubmit it again in neutral words and as it is my first time on Wikipedia, I did not know about accounts. so, sorry for this. It wont happen again. But please delete it fast so I can submit a neutral one. Aira28 (talk) 20:00, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And this time was the article fine? Aira28 (talk) 19:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Humaira28, yes it will be OK if you continue only to use your Humaira28 account and no other. I have blocked the Aira28 account; I very strongly advise you not to create any other – that will almost certainly ensure that you are permanently unable to edit here.
About your draft, you ask "Will you please help me regarding it?"; I'm sorry, but the answer is no, I have no interest in helping you to promote Ms Focardi (or anything/anyone else) in this project – Wikipedia does not tolerate promotion of any kind. Please be warned that any further promotion on that topic is likely to result in an immediate and permanent withdrawal of your editing privileges. If you are that person, please read this; if you are someone who has been paid to write about her, please read this. Thank you, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Text removal

Thank you for your message. I am hardly a beginner, but thank you for your editing for beginners link. I do believe you have made a mistake, but I simply don't care enough to take on a battle I will lose. An editor removed a large amount of material and deleted a page, leaving a note that any of the deleted information could then be incorporated into a main article that was remaining in place. The text you do not like refers to plot lines and character traits. Anything that can only truly be confirmed by actually watching the episodes being described. There are literally THOUSANDS of wikipedia articles with plotlines and character details that are not referenced and nor can they be. They are character descriptions. Plot lines. Unreferenceable. I note you have not deleted the main article pages for the characters in Absolutely Fabulous, none of which are referenced. The edits in question you do object to are sub articles of that same page. You have merely decided to select this one page and this one attempt to reinstate text that existed for many years on wikipedia without concerning anyone. I am sure you are now working hard on every page relating to every movie and every TV series that exists on wikipedia to remove all unreferenced plot lines and character traits. A mammoth task and I wish you well with that undertaking to ensure that the guidelines are followed to the letter in every single article mentioning any fictional character. It could take years. Good luck! MWEditorial (talk) 21:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

Why did you remove my article? What factual error was there? Anponline (talk) 13:56, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anponline, you can see the reason for the deletion by going here. It was "WP:G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion". This project does not tolerate promotion of any kind, so stuff like " ... he carved his path in the sport, leaving an indelible mark on the Indian motocross scene ..." is completely unacceptable. Were you paid to write – or to post – that stuff? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:16, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can I publish this article if I omit that specific reference?
I have not received any payment from anyone to write this article. To be a 5-time national champion and then come back 11 years later to be a national champion again is legendary in a sport where physical fitness is as important as motocross. As a motocross enthusiast, I really wish the man had a wiki page. I think you will realize how important this is in a third world country like India where motocross is still in its infancy. He is a living legend. He proved that age is just a number. Anponline (talk) 21:13, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anponline, the whole page was written in a tone entirely unsuitable for an encyclopaedia – another example: "... the tireless pursuit of excellence, unwavering dedication, and an ever-present desire to push his limits ...". Try again if you wish, but if you write any more content like that you risk indefinite loss of editing privileges in this project. Where did you get that appalling pap from, by the way? Every sentence you write must be (a) neutral in tone and (b) supported by independent reliable sources. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your feedback. I will try to correct my tone. Anponline (talk) 21:46, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]


CSD decline

I have declined your G11 speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Young Jimmy. It is obvious that the draft was created for the purpose of promotion, but I don't think that the actual content of the page is so blatantly promotional as to justify speedy deletion. The speedy tag was on the article for more than 2 days, which is sufficiently unusual to make me suspect that I was far from being the only administrator who was reluctant to decline the deletion because it's the kind of thing that should be deleted, but unwilling to actually delete it because it doesn't really satisfy any of the speedy criteria. JBW (talk) 17:40, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note, JBW, good to see you! I'd realised that no-one wanted to actually push the button on this and was planning to remove the tag myself, so you've saved me the trouble! In my view we should be as free to delete pages that actually are advertisements (including all WP:UPE) as we are to delete those which just look like advertisements, but I'm not going to waste time trying to get the G11 criterion changed. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:49, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I totally agree with you on your point about deleting things which are advertisements whether they blatantly look like it or not, but I came to the conclusion many years ago that consensus is solidly against that interpretation. Incidentally, if we applied that criterion then virtually all paid editing would be banned. JBW (talk) 21:48, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may wish to revoke TPA. Cahk (talk) 08:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ref spam.

Hey I noticed you rolled back some of my alternate accounts edits. I came across said citation whilst studying and added it to the articles to help either expand them with new content or to add as a secondary citation to already sourced claims.

I don't have any affiliation with that specific textbook beyond using it in my study.

If adding similar content like that to multiple articles is disallowed under another policy I will refrain from it but I don't see it as being ref spam. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, Traumnovelle, didn't know that was you (what do you need a second account for?). A new user adding the same source to one article after another certainly looked like refspam. No, I don't think there's any other policy or guideline that disallows such additions, but you might perhaps give some consideration to WP:WEIGHT, both as Sacristy and as yourself. Anyway, now I'm going to get back to the Wirehaired Vizsla ... Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to split my account from my home PC and work/study laptop. Don't wish to get carried away with my watchlist or other notifications and simply add material I come across as I have the chance.
I don't think adding those mentions from the textbook gives undue weight but I can reduce it to more specific articles and content.
May I restore some of the additions? Traumnovelle (talk) 18:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Traumnovelle, you don't need my permission, please do as you wish! But if you'll allow me a suggestion, I'd concentrate on ailments that are unique or particular significant to a specific breed – some of these additions look to my uninformed eye a bit like, say, "German people may suffer from bunions". Are you sure that five-minute guide is the best source? A couple that I've sometimes cited are:
  • Ronaldo C. Da Costa, Curtis W. Dewey (2015). Practical Guide to Canine and Feline Neurology, third edition, ebook. Ames, Iowa: John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 9781119062042 and
  • Alex Gough, Alison Thomas (2004). Breed Predispositions to Disease in Dogs and Cats. Oxford: Blackwell Publishing. ISBN 9781405107488.
Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:08, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll revert just a few specific ones then such as colour dilution alopecia in Yorkshire Terriers.
The book itself is probably not the best source for breed dispositions as it's typically just a one line mention. It'd probably be better to focus on specific sources such as the breed predisposition book or sources that do more than an overview of a condition. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion.

i observe my page had a delete request by you @Justlettersandnumbersj and was eventually deleted. i would like to inquire the reason for this actoin Coding4kidshub (talk) 20:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(by talk reader) @Coding4kidshub: Thanks for not reading anything that was posted to your user talk page about this issue. By posting here, I found out about your promotional efforts so I've reported you to WP:UAA. Expect to be soft-blocked in the next couple hours. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:14, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
its not a promotional effort and i am just asking for reasons so as to no what was wrong in my post and to avoid such mistake @Justlettersandnumbers @Chris troutman Coding4kidshub (talk) 20:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Coding4kidshub, I deleted the page as WP:G11, unambiguous promotion. It was full of stuff like "... [he] is known for his resilience & dogged work ethics, commitment to community development and humanity" and "... completed numerous business courses online to enhance his entrepreneurial skills". This is an encyclopaedia, not LinkedIn or something; our content is written in a WP:neutral aseptic tone. Where did you get all that stuff from, by the way? – there was not one reference cited in the page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing

Hi, Could you please stop rejecting every edit for my Wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.48.187.197 (talk) 13:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Is it possible to stop rejecting every change to my Wikipedia page? 212.98.101.179 (talk) 08:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What would it take for you to leave a page alone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arcangel27 (talkcontribs) 16:51, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Deletion of my Draft

Hi @Justlettersandnumbers, you recently deleted my article from my user page claiming that I am using Wikipedia as a free web-hosting service.But if you would have took the effort to translate a little bit of it, you might have realised that it is a draft for a translation I was making for the actual article "David Goggins" . I was still working on the translation of the article. Kindly remove the ban or whatever it is, as i invested a lot of time in translating the article. You can contact me if you need to talk to me. ThanksAkProto (talk) 04:02, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, AkProto! My apologies, I didn't notice your edit summary there, as I should have. In general, stuff on this Wikipedia should be in English. I've emailed you the text of the deleted page, on the assumption that it was intended for use on the Telegu (?) Wikipedia rather than here. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, Thanks for looking onto it! Appreciate it!! AkProto (talk) 14:30, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Contested speedily deletions

Hello, several of my very old articles have been deleted in a very short timespan. I have done lots of hard work to make these articles. They have stood the test of time for 10 years. Then they have been promoted for speedy deletion, and are gone in seconds. It would be better to mark them as undersourced and give a timely deadline for when they must be improved, e.g. a week. It is unreasonable to require editors to make such improvements within this short amount of time. I think you are misunderstanding Wikipedia's guidelines. The requirements you refer to for notability are sufficient, but not necessary for an article to be notable. Your selective choice of articles that you promote for deletion makes it appear that you are on a crusade against the IPSC. Sauer202 (talk) 11:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Sauer202! I've recently deleted IPSC Moldova and some others like it under our speedy deletion criterion A7, "an article about a club, society or group that does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject" – there was simply nothing there to indicate why we should even consider having an article on that topic. 'Credible claim of significance' is a much lower threshold than our quite stringent notability requirements for companies and organisations; to be honest, I'm amazed that these pages have survived for so long without one. NB The entire content of IPSC Moldova was "IPSC Moldova is the Moldovan association for practical shooting under the International Practical Shooting Confederation". It had no independent source and no citations.
That said, I'm happy to restore any of these for which you can assure me that that you can provide enough solid independent reliable sources (with extensive in-depth coverage of the organisation itself) to demonstrate notability. It might perhaps be an idea to restore them in draft space, where you could then expand them at leisure, but your call on that. An alternative suggestion: why not create a List of members of the International Practical Shooting Confederation, and merge all those that have little or no claim of significance into that? Let me know? Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is the totally wrong way forward if we are going to encourage to improve articles. It is a cumbersome process involves so many persons on Wikipedia nominating, deleting, requesting, not restoring, justifying, restoring anyway but to draftspace, drafting, reviewing, not good enough despite how many sources, draft again, wait 6 months, and the contributor is not interested in contributing anymore because life. Why is it so hard to give contributors an opportunity, e.g. mark an article as undersourced etc. and give like 7 days to improve it? I am not interested in Draft space, that is the black hole of Wikipedia. What goes in there takes half a year to get out again, if ever, no matter how good the article is. It seems some patrollers or whatever functions they are lose eyesight and go on power trips now and then. Then again they don't last many years here in Wikipedia. I'm not going to bother. Do whatever you want. Sauer202 (talk) 20:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, Sauer202, I understand that you think these pages should be left for you to improve. But Gibraltar Pistol Association (which is tagged for speedy deletion as I write) has remained without any citations and with no independent sourcing whatsoever since you created it in 2016.
I've suggested two possible ways of salvaging this content so that you can bring it to the point that it could be included in the encyclopaedia, but here's a third: if you like, and on your request only, I'll restore any of these pages that I've deleted to your user space so that you can develop them there without disturbance. I'm not sure if you're aware that I have not sought out any of these pages – I've just deleted some that had already been tagged for speedy deletion with a valid rationale. And BTW, it isn't only you that gets stuff deleted – look at the first few messages at the top of this page! Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:45, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your patience. I appreciate your input, and may consider it at a later point. For now I have have objected that a certain person bulk nominates uncontroversial stubs which quickly gets deleted despite objection. This is a bad, bad process and seriously harms the project. Thanks again. Sauer202 (talk) 20:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish Fighting Bull: Miura family photo deletion

Hi, I would argue that a photo of the bull-breeding brothers who run Miura and have for decades, indeed the only one of the brothers with their matador nephew, and more importantly the only one at all of their bull-ring on their ranch in the background, is not tangential in its relevance but central. Best, LG LucyGould (talk) 15:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, LucyGould, the place to argue that would be the talk-page of the article; I might argue against inclusion of the image if I could be bothered. However, more to the point, I put it to you that you placed the image there not for the reasons you mention here, but because it also includes a certain Alexander Fiske-Harrison, to whom you may have some personal or professional connection – you have made no edit in this project that is not connected to him. Please read this page and this one, and then make whatever disclosure is appropriate. Oh, and edit-warring at that page is unlikely to be productive. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand about the page mistake. Sorry, I thought it most suitable to put it to the editor who made the edit so that they would understand rather than making the assumption they follow the page. I have no existing professional or personal connection to Alexander Fiske-Harrison - if that is your worry you might want to look at the credits for three of the other photos on that page, including the one above this - he exists in the world of the bulls in Spain and crops up like any other professional in their industry. LucyGould (talk) 23:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, LucyGould, you've never met him, worked for him, received any payment of any kind from him, yet you happened to take this photograph of him at the Finca Zahariche in Andalucia on 13 May 2010. That's quite a remarkable coincidence, is it not? If you are, expect to be, or ever have been paid by this person or anyone associated with him, disclosure is obligatory under the Terms of Use of this project. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 07:52, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User page

Can you delete my user page and lock it from being created again please, as you did here on 23 April 2023? Someone created a user page for me without me wanting it. Helper201 (talk) 07:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please undelete File talk:Influencegraph.PNG. As far as I can tell it isn't eligible for G8 as the base page exists. There's a version with actual content in the history to revert to. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, done, Pppery, undeleted and cleared. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]