User talk:McSyl

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Adrien Nussenbaum moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Adrien Nussenbaum. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. BoraVoro (talk) 14:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Author attribution is required on translations from other Wikipedias

Hello, McSyl, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed your recently created the article Adrien Couret; thank you for your translation. Adding content to Wikipedia by copying or translating from articles on other language Wikipedias is permitted, but per the Terms of use of Wikipedia, such content must be attributed in the edit summary of the edit where you added copied/translated content. If you forgot (or didn't know), you can add in the attribution after the fact per the instructions at Repairing insufficient attribution. The template {{Attribution repair}} may help formulate the required wording for you; for example:

{{attribution repair|Adrien Couret|ca|09:01, 21 April 2024}} → [[WP:RIA|Note:]] The previous edit of 09:01, 21 April 2024 [[WP:TFOLWP|translated]] content from the Catalan Wikipedia page at [[:ca:Adrien Couret]]; see its history for attribution.

Please add this attribution to the revision history of Adrien Couret by using a dummy edit as explained at WP:RIA and WP:DUMMY. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also please add an WP:RIA attribution statement for Louli Sanua translated from the French fr:Louli Sanua. Thanks. Mathglot (talk) 04:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mathglot. Thanks for your message. There is no French Wikipedia for the article Adrien Couret. Kind Regards--McSyl (talk) 14:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Mathglot.Done for Louli Sanua. Kind Regards.--McSyl (talk) 14:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I copied the wrong lang code on the template on the Adrien Couret article, but the correct one is in the example above and I've fixed it at the article, as you translated from the Catalan article, not the French one, right? By the way, do you speak Catalan and French? Because it doesn't make sense to create articles like these using WP:MACHINETRANSLATION if you don't; instead, you can request a translation from a foreign Wikipedia article. For some languages, there may be a WikiProject where listing the request may also attract some interest. Mathglot (talk) 19:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also updated Louli Sanua to add the attribution (diff). Mathglot (talk) 22:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mathglot. If you look carefully, the catalan article has been written 2 hours and 22 minutes after the English one. Have a very nice day. --McSyl (talk) 10:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Fair point; no attribution needed on the English one, in that case. Mathglot (talk) 10:16, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Château de Jouy-en-Josas moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Château de Jouy-en-Josas. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Ratnahastin (talk) 10:01, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 2024

Hello McSyl. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being employed (or being compensated in any way) by a person, group, company or organization to promote their interests. Paid advocacy on Wikipedia must be disclosed even if you have not specifically been asked to edit Wikipedia. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:McSyl. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=McSyl|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. S0091 (talk) 18:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I am very surprised by your message. I am not paid for anything. Have a very nice day. Kind Regards. --McSyl (talk) 07:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi McSyl. Thank you for your work on Jules Marcadet. Another editor, CanonNi, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Good start. Consider expanding the references (ProveIt can help).

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|CanonNi}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot. --McSyl (talk) 12:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion discussion about Vincent Bastien

Hello McSyl, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia.

While your contributions are appreciated, I wanted to let you know that I've started a discussion about whether an article that you created, Vincent Bastien, should be deleted, as I am not sure that it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia in its current form. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vincent Bastien.

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TheLongTone (talk) 14:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution of translated articles

Hi there, McSyl. Further to the earlier discussion on this matter, it looks to me as if several of your more recent articles have been strongly based on French articles created some time ago by other contributors. I would draw your attention to the advice on attribution given on Help:Translation. I see a few of your biographies are about women. In this connection, you might be interested in the current translation contest at WikiProject Women in Red. Thanks for all your efforts and happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 10:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks to you. Have a very nice day. --McSyl (talk) 12:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution of translated articles is a requirement of the Terms of use

McSyl, this looks like the third time you are being notified about the requirements for attribution on translated articles, and I'm not sure if the seriousness of this is getting through to you. This attribution is a requirement of the Wikimedia Terms of use, which is something you agree to with every edit you save: it is right there above the 'Publish' button. You are probably aware of Wikipedia policies and guidelines like WP:Neutral point of view, WP:Verifiability, WP:Civility, and so on, but even those in theory can be ignored, (I wouldn't try it, unless you want to get blocked) because they are part of Wikipedia and developed by the community agreement, but the Terms of use are a hard line in the sand drawn by the Wikimedia Foundation which provides the platform for Wikipedia, and can never be ignored. You must provide attribution for your translated articles, and if you forgot to provide them in the past, or didn't know you had to, then you must go back to the old articles and update them so they are attributed. This is a hard requirement with no IAR-type exceptions to it.

I have tagged the following articles as needing retroactive addition of attribution: Jacques Cyprès, Alain Cotta, Jacques Choffel, Christophe Chenut, and Philippe Charrier. It appears there might be another couple dozen translations of yours in the same boat as well. But for now, please get started on adding retroactive attribution for these five; instructions can be found at WP:RIA, along with a model retroactive attribution statement you can copy & paste into the edit summary of a dummy edit. Please take this seriously, as failure to do so could result in a suspension of your editing privileges. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 11:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mathglot. I am very surprised by your message. If you look carefully on the talkpages of the articles, it is mentioned all the time. Please review more carefully before being aggressive, as failure to do so could result in a suspension of your editing privileges. Thanks, McSyl (talk) 22:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I show you one example : Talk:Jacques Cyprès. You will see at the bottom right. Next time please review more carefully. Thanks --McSyl (talk) 22:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am well aware of the Talk page templates. That template is nice to have on the Talk page, but does not satisfy the attribution requirement. You can view a model translation attribution statement at WP:TFOLWP in the WP:Copying within Wikipedia policy; here is a copy of it:

Translations of copyrighted text, even from other Wikimedia projects, are derivative works, and attribution must be given to satisfy licensing requirements. When translating material from a Wikimedia project licensed under CC BY-SA, a note identifying the Wikimedia source (such as an interlanguage link) and the page name must be provided in an edit summary in the translated page, ideally in its first edit:^{(using a French page as an example)}Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at [[:fr:Exact name of French article]]; see its history for attribution. Where applicable, the template {{Translated page}} may also be added to the talk page to supplement copyright attribution.

But the model attribution statement above only works when you add it to the edit summary in the same edit where you add the translated content. If you forget and need to add it in later, as in the case of these five articles, the suggested wording in the policy is different, and goes like this (see WP:RIA):

Attribution can be belatedly supplied by the methods above, using dummy edits to record new edit summaries. Such belated attribution should make clear when the relevant text entered the page. ... For translated material, an edit summary like this:

NOTE: Content in the edit of 01:25, January 25, 2023 is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at [[:fr:Exact name of French article]]; see its  history for attribution.

Suggestions for various other repair contexts are provided at Help:Dummy edit.

Please now add retroactive attribution for the five articles listed above. To get you started in the right direction, here is a statement you can use in the edit summary to be added to Jacques Cyprès:

NOTE: Content in the edit of 16:12, 10 July 2024 is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at [[:fr:Jacques Cyprès]]; see its history for attribution.

Please perform a dummy edit and use that edit summary at Jacques Cyprès. The same procedure applies to the other four articles. This is in order to bring those four articles into compliance with Wikipedia's licensing requirements. I will restore the {{unattributed translation}} templates on those five articles that you removed, in violation of WP:WNTRMT. You are welcome to remove the templates after the article translations have been attributed. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 23:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the list of other articles lacking sufficient attribution per the Terms of use:

Articles requiring repair of insufficient attribution:

Augustin Azango (rev. 1231249324)
Augustin Kokou Azango (rev. 1231249499)
Bernard Mourad (rev. 1230542851)
Bruno Bertez (rev. 1229902519)
Catherine Bozorgan (rev. 1233115741)
Christel Bories (rev. 1232952674)
Christophe Beaux (rev. 1231849905)
Claude Blanchemaison (rev. 1232169574)
Didier Pineau-Valencienne (rev. 1230567917)
Éric Lombard (rev. 1230424183)
François Jackow (rev. 1215651896)
Frank Attar (rev. 1231105023)
Frank Dangeard (rev. 1233852332)
Gildas Bourdais (rev. 1233111235)
Guillaume Boudy (rev. 1233108768)
Guy Scherrer (rev. 1230716744)
HEC Paris Innovation & Entrepreneurship Center (rev. 1222325638)
Hedwige Chevrillon (rev. 1230044850)
Isabelle de Silva (rev. 1230186258)
Jacques Boell (rev. 1232356979)
Jean Bommart (rev. 1232903316)
Jean-Jacques Brot (rev. 1233330287)
Jean-Luc Allavena (rev. 1230891571)
Jean-Luc Bélingard (rev. 1229770567)
Jean-Paul Betbeze (rev. 1232166018)
Jules Marcadet (rev. 1230537852)
Julien Bergeaud (rev. 1232037279)
Laurent Vallet (rev. 1230722268)
Lise Bellynck (rev. 1231983487)
Louli Sanua (rev. 1220852006)
Maël de Calan (rev. 1233342987)
Paul Delorme (rev. 1221208979)
Philippe Chalmin (rev. 1229920791)
Pierre Barret (rev. 1231254391)
Pierre Blanchet (rev. 1232354322)
Pierre Bordeaux-Groult (rev. 1232906627)
Pierre Kosciusko-Morizet (rev. 1229744363)
Pierre Liotard-Vogt (rev. 1230364447)
Rodolphe Belmer (rev. 1229894422)
Roland Luc Béchoff (rev. 1231973403)
Tristan Lecomte (rev. 1229762456)
Université Paris Cité (rev. 1222855546)
Valérie Baudson (rev. 1231617528)
Vincent Bastien (rev. 1231472953)
Yoël Zaoui (rev. 1230726080)

I'm not going to add {{unattributed translation}} templates to all of these because it is too much work just to add them and you are already aware of what needs to be done. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 05:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Mathglot. Please can you crosscheck the article Jacques Cyprès and tell me if I am correct? I have a doubt if it goes on top of the article. After your approval I will go for the mentioned articles (except one or two which are not mine or where there is no French version). Many thanks again. --McSyl (talk) 07:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I took a look at Jacques Cyprès, and it wasn't quite right, because the translation attribution should go in the edit summary, not the article itself.. The way to do that, is by doing a dummy edit, which is basically a tiny edit shifting a couple of blank spaces around, just so you can put the attribution statement in the edit summary field, and then publish it. The whole point is getting the attribution into the edit summary, and therefore into the permanent history trace of the article; the blank-fiddling is unimportant, and just the vehicle for getting there. I've done this one for you; have a look. See WP:DUMMY edit for details on how to do this. If you want, try Alain Cotta and tell me when you're done, and I'll have a look.

By the way, there are a lot of articles in that list, and I don't mean to stop you in your tracks from doing the translations and other stuff you like to do, just in order to attend to this rather boring task. It isn't extremely urgent, but it does need to get down eventually, so maybe space them out: do one translation as you have been doing all along, then swithch gears and do a couple of missing attributions to old articles; then another translation; then a couple more attributions; rinse, repeat. Would that work for you? Mathglot (talk) 07:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I think now I understand. Please can you crosscheck on Alain Cotta? One more question please : why did you left the template on top of Jacques Cyprès?--McSyl (talk) 07:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, perfect! Oh, the reason I left it, is because I'm scatter-brained, and forgot! I've removed it now, as it is no longer necessary. You're on a roll! I'll leave you to it, now; if you take care of those other three, just so you get in the habit of how to do it, I think you can put off the long list until later. Thanks for taking care of this; know it's a rather tedious and confusing thing, it's just one of those things we have to do. P.S. feel free to contact me anytime, if you have questions about this, or anything else at Wikipedia. You can also ask questions about Wikipedia at the Wikipedia:Help desk. Cheers, and happy editing!

My pleasure and many thanks to you for your help. I think it is all done now for all the articles. Have a very nice day. --McSyl (talk) 08:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I spot checked five of them, and they all look fine. Thanks, and happy editing! Mathglot (talk) 04:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]