Talk:Batman/Archive 13

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Archive 13

Cultural impact

"18th coolest among 20" and "#46 sexiest among 50" and "46th hero amongst 50 on AFI's 100 Years list" are non-notable trivia, WP:INDISCRIMINATE. This is not a fan site. These are laundry lists of dubious accolades or subjective poll results. CerberaOdollam (talk) 11:11, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2017

The "case of the criminal syndicate" has its own Wikipedia page. Might be helpful if it was linked in the section explaining it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Case_of_the_Chemical_Syndicate Sjmtz (talk) 16:31, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

 Done albeit it was "Chemical" not "criminal" - Arjayay (talk) 17:35, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2017

American knowledge (talk) 04:59, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
  

for the batman wiki in romantic interests i recommend that you put more in there for there are alot more interest than catwoman such as Talia al gual,Julie Madison and, Vicki vale i cant do it because it's a protected page so please add these or get someone to do them thank you and i hope you read this

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - Mlpearc (open channel) 05:12, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2017

Bruce Wayne has been given several different middle names in various stories. The Elseworlds comic Batman: Holy Terror (1991) called him Bruce Anthony Wayne. Another Elseworlds story in Batman Chronicles #21 (2000) named him Bruce Foster Wayne as a reference to the movie Citizen Kane. The DCAU comic book Batman Adventures #14 (2004) called him Bruce Thomas Wayne.

The novel Wayne of Gotham (2012) named him Bruce Patrick Wayne. This novel might be set in the main DC continuity as it references several past events including Bruce's relationship with Sasha Bordeaux, the death of Vesper Fairchild, Barbara Gordon being crippled by the Joker and Fay Moffit shooting Delbert Billings in the head.

Please add this information to the article. --NetSpiker (talk) 10:33, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. —MRD2014 📞 contribs 01:07, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2017

Remove the List of Batman television series link from § Television. 67.14.236.50 (talk) 03:54, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:48, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Also change the link at § Film to the correct page title. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 03:56, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:48, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Full name

According to Batman #20 (April 2017), Bruce's full name is Bruce Thomas Wayne. Where should we put it? Leader Vladimir (talk) 15:16, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

In general, middle names are not included, as they often change per depiction. DrRC (talk) 18:10, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

batman the game is fun but the characters are ALL wrong. I cant Wait for Batma the telltale sneries season 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 54.197.21.90 (talk) 15:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2017

Please add the inker Joe Giella as co creator of the silver age new look Batman. All creators should be credited. and it was his inks that are the final look for the character as published in the books. It's the look DC wanted which led the ledger syndicate and dc to choose his look on Batman over other artists for the lucrative Batman comic strip while the tv show was aired. This can be confirmed by calling Joe. thanks, FGiella (talk) 19:00, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. "Calling Joe" is not a reliable source; reliable sources must generally be independent of the subject. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 19:26, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Under Batman's abilities he is also a master escape artist. Trained by Zantanna's father in the second volume. Tabdee (talk) 18:01, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Featured article status

Block evasion from User:Atomic Meltdown
Hey guys, I just wanted to know what needs to be done in this page in order for it to get promoted to Featured Article, I don't mind doing some research on helping get it promoted. Xtremeroller (talk) 03:29, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

batman es ben afleck o goku — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.205.192.2 (talk) 20:04, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Printed source

• The Caped Crusade: Batman and the Rise of Nerd Culture by Glen Weldon (published by Simon & Schuster in 2016)

A book that I've got a copy of. It's very broad on its coverage of Batman, covering him from 1939 to the present. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 23:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2017

In Adversaries, it should be tutti frutti #sammyz (character). 2602:30A:C039:6C50:4068:6725:F2CF:BA89 (talk) 08:45, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 10:15, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Allies/GCPD

I noticed under allies GCPD section goes into detail about Gordon but not Harvey Bullock, Renee Montoya Or Crispus Allen 79.66.225.120 (talk) 11:05, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Image

A new image is being added to the infobox, which shows the character with the costume in full view. DrRC (talk) 05:57, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Modern Age

As of December 2017, DC ended the "DC Rebirth" branding and opted to use the term "DC Universe". The Modern Age subsection of the Publication History has been updated to reflect this. DrRC (talk) 21:19, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

WHERE IS MA SUPA SUT BOI

GIMMI IT BRO — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samnevisthebest (talk • contribs) 23:28, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2018

batman is a kutta. Mayank.vasu (talk) 11:38, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:05, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2018

In the Gay interpretations section, the original contributor states Frank Miller "views the character as sublimating his sexual urges into crimefighting, concluding 'He'd be much happier if he was gay.' " The editing of Miller's quote this way is very misleading. Here is the full quote: "Come on. It’s a father/child relationship. It’s clearly defined as such. This is where this stuff gets preposterous. …Batman isn’t gay. His sexual urges are so drastically sublimated into crime-fighting that there’s no room for any other emotional activity. Notice how insipid are the stories where Batman has a girlfriend or some sort of romance. It’s not because he’s gay, but because he’s borderline pathological, he’s obsessive. He’d be much healthier if he were gay. (Sharrett 38)". This is my source at the bottom of the page here: http://fangirlingdaily.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-gender-trouble-and-homophobic.html

I think at least the interpretation should be replaced with a more accurate interpretation acknowledging that Miller meant Batman would have more of a life outside of crime fighting and in touch with his sexuality if he was gay. 98.116.210.204 (talk) 16:56, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done I switched the italics from much to were because I believe that the emphasis on "were" is more in line with the original sentiment expressed by Sharrett, in that the character would not be much happier if he were gay, but rather, he'd be much happier if he were gay (for the reasons expressed by the editor above). I'm unaware if the italics were in the original, they likely weren't, and for that I may be reverted, but as I said, I think that emphasis was part of the author's intent.  spintendo  13:51, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Classic suit

I don't wanna be the guy who goes on to beat a dead horse but as of Batman #53 (August 2018), Batman is back to wearing his classic suit (the one with the black trunks and the bulky utility belt), possibly in preparation for the upcoming Detective Comics #1000, just like Superman and Action Comics #1000. Are we gonna change the main image to fit this suit change or not? Leader Vladimir (talk) 16:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Middle name

As per this source, It is "Bruce Thomas Wayne". Is it worth mentioning in the article? --Kailash29792 (talk) 08:04, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2018

Why is David Mazouz not listed among the actors who are said to have "been depicted in both film and television". Mazouz portrays a young Batman on Fox's Gotham. 2601:1C0:5D01:A80F:1DC3:318:EC4F:EA56 (talk) 17:34, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See previous discussion at Talk:Batman/Archive_11#Live-action_adaptations. Since that discussion is a couple of years old, you are welcome to try and establish a new consensus with any information that has changed since then. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:43, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Gay interpretations

Besides from being funny and little weird, I think this section should be shorter and within psychological interpretations. It's particularly peculiar, especially in late 1930s when he was written. It's hard to imagine it would be tolerable and acceptable at the time. While George Clooney Batman had gay undertones, reason he had them was because of gay director, not because Batman himself is gay. Saying he was looking "campy" is a bit homophobic and what does that even mean, also how do gays identify with playboy lifestyle of running massive corporation and living in mansion? While everyone can have their own interpretation, saying he was a gay seems like a bit of stretch, they are also implicating he is fighting crime to channel his homosexual fantasies? I mean come on, I don't know single gay who has done something even remotely similar. Plus here is list of female romances https://screenrant.com/best-batman-romances/Sourcerery (talk) 20:26, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, Fredric Wertham's reading of Batman comics was based on the interpretation that Batman/Bruce Wayne was involved in a pederastic relationship with his teenage ward/adoptive son Robin/Dick Grayson. He had a big enough impact to be used as an expert witness in the anti-comics hearngs of the United States Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency, and the reaction of the comic book industry was to create the highly restrictive Comics Code Authority. It is not a fringe theory, but one of Batman's main interpretations.

As for the 1930s, it was actually a significant decade for gay literature. Among other publications, we have Strange Brother (1931), Better Angel (1933), BUtterfield 8 (1935), Nightwood (1936), which all cover the lifestyle of homosexuals (and bisexuals) during the interwar period. Dimadick (talk) 11:53, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Well back in that period prohibition was a thing as well and today we have clueless people saying video games incite violence. Key word is interpretation, while everyone has right to interpret it how they want that's not the point of the comic. Creators never even hinted he was gay and according to comic book canon, not only he is heterosexual, he is quite thirsty one at that. I don't say we need to remove section entirely, just shortening it and adding it to psychological section, while also expanding that section.Sourcerery (talk) 12:18, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

The amount of coverage a subtopic gets is determine by the amount of coverage in reliable sources. The current section has previously been trimmed down significantly, and represents a brief summary of a wide variety of sources discussing the issue.--Trystan (talk) 12:52, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

It's impossible that psychological interpretations that don't delve into sexuality are less covered than gay topic, Batman is probably deepest comic book character.

Edit: When was it trimmed? I went through history and I only see expansions.Sourcerery (talk) 13:04, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Here is an edit where the much longer previous version was cut in half.

I've partially reverted your removal of some of the creators' comments, as those are the most relevant bits to capture. I've taken out a few other parts to keep the overall length about where you had trimmed it to. Though I'd reiterate that the due weight of this issue is based on its extensive coverage in the sources, not whether or not we as editors agree with the views expressed.--Trystan (talk) 17:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Well ok, but according to that standard psychological interpretations needs to be expanded significantly. He is being analyzed at universities.Sourcerery (talk) 17:58, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Maybe remove this sentence - In 2005, painter Mark Chamberlain displayed a number of watercolors depicting both Batman and Robin in suggestive and sexually explicit poses,[193] prompting DC to threaten legal action.[194] - I don't think it contributes to the topic.Sourcerery (talk) 18:08, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Interpretations of the character in other media, such as painting, are inherently relevant to the "Cultural impact and legacy" section, which this falls under, and this one directly relates to the "Gay interpretations" subsection. It's well sourced, so I think the one sentence mention is warranted.--Trystan (talk) 18:29, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree they are relevant to cultural impact and legacy, maybe move them to other media ? Don't think that's under gay and psychological interpretations. Don't know how well covered topic of Batman painting is, maybe section to consider.Sourcerery (talk) 18:35, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Robert Pattinson

Robert Pattinson has been officially cast as Batman as of May 31, 2019. The studio has confirmed it to Variety: https://variety.com/2019/film/news/robert-pattinson-batman-1203230054/ and to several other trades such as Deadline (https://deadline.com/2019/05/robert-pattinson-batman-wins-role-warner-bros-1202624926/amp/?fbclid=IwAR3K26n01GCMG6xTYDoyyNSW_n4ubWUbeYCV96Q_P8ViO6VrL0wPQX8YeVY) The Wrap ( https://www.thewrap.com/robert-pattinson-the-dark-knight-the-batman/) and The Hollywood Reporter ( https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/robert-pattinson-officially-talks-warner-bros-star-batman-1214788 )

Please do update under the "Film" section in "Cultural impact and legacy" — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidGalán123 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

DavidGalán123, while Robert Pattinson has been cast as Batman, the article cannot list him as an actor who has played the character, until the film is released. DrRC (talk) 19:28, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2019

bruce thomas potrayed batman for OnStar Commercial Dtoretto (talk) 23:59, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Philroc (c) 01:38, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Edit request

Please add a hatnote to handle the incoming redirect Bruce Wayne

Add:

"Bruce Wayne" redirects here. For other uses, see Bruce Wayne (disambiguation).

{{redirect|Bruce Wayne|other uses|Bruce Wayne (disambiguation)}}

-- 67.70.33.184 (talk) 03:53, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

 Done ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:01, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2019

Added a new book by Fargo to the bibliography, to read as follows:

• Farago, Andrew; McIntyre, Gina (2019). Batman: The Definitive History of the Dark Knight in Comics, Film and Beyond. Insight Editons. ISBN 978-1683834372. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: checksum (help); Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Njikecat (talk) 15:19, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Not clear why we need yet another. Your ISBN gives a warning anyway, and the author name is different in your cite and in your request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

File:Batman (circa 2019).png

With Batman is back to his pre-Flashpoint costume, I have uploaded File:Batman (circa 2019).png for updating this article's infobox. But I do not want to start an edit war, so feel free to discuss about this.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 20:55, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

question re Category:Top-importance Batman articles

Hi. I'm just curious, why is the category Category:Top-importance Batman articles shown as empty? Does anyone know why? this article should clearly be showing up there. right? --Sm8900 (talk) 23:36, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

actually, it looks like all of the sub-categories of Category:Batman articles by importance are empty! any ideas on this? thanks!! I will ask at the Help Desk. --Sm8900 (talk) 23:38, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

is this template working correctly? Please let us know!! Template:WikiProject_Comics. --Sm8900 (talk) 23:42, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Sm8900, I've looked at these templates for about 3 hours trying to answer your question. As best I can tell, even though the Category:Batman articles by importance was created back in the day, the necessary code to populate its subcategories was never included in {{WikiProject_Comics}}.

If you look at {{WikiProject United States}}, you can see down a ways where it deals with task force US-comics as TF_6, there is a declaration TF_6_IMPORTANCE = yes and some additional parameters that get passed on to populate task-force importance-based categories.

In the WikiProject Comics template, the equivalent is missing, down where the Batman task force is dealt with as TF_3, there is no such parameter as TF_3_IMPORTANCE = yes.

So I can't quite say it is "working as intended", but there is no mystery, the code to populate these categories is simply not there. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:16, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

thanks, jmcgnh. I assume we're getting there. for myself, I'm a total rookie at programming templates. hopefullly perhaps, someone else here can assist with this? should we request input from someone with knowledge of templates?

unlike some topical areas, we have a large and devoted fanbase here, for this iconic American work of fiction. I'm sure we can find some helpers to lend a hand with this. thanks!!! --Sm8900 (talk) 07:30, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Sm8900, You make it sound like we're editing on Fandom.com rather than Wikipedia!

My prior experience says that it's pretty difficult to test changes to these complex, multi-layer, category-populating templates in a sandbox, but that's what a template-privileged editor would want to see before accepting an edit request.

Meanwhile, there is another way to approach this goal: PETSCAN.

For example, here is a url that displaysTop-importance Batman articles:

https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?&edits%5Banons%5D=both&search_max_results=500&ns%5B0%5D=1&categories=Top-importance%20Comics%20articles%0ABatman%20work%20group%20articles&project=wikipedia&cb_labels_yes_l=1&ns%5B1%5D=1&edits%5Bflagged%5D=both&cb_labels_no_l=1&cb_labels_any_l=1&interface_language=en&language=en&edits%5Bbots%5D=both&referrer_url=

but all I did was fill in the form to ask for the intersection of categories "Top-importance Comics articles" and "Batman work group articles", making sure to check the box for talk pages on the second tab, then clicked the "Do it!" button. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:12, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

lol!!!! good one, jmcgnh!!! I guess you're right!! but sometimes I wonder what we are. I think Wikipedia is oftentimes all things to all people. that's jsut one more thing that makes it so great as a resource, a reference, a repository, and a reflection of the entire human race!!!! (like that? I just made that up, maybe I'll call it the "four R's of Wikipedia!!!)

anyway, back to the point. wait, what were we talking about again? *shuffles through the last few pages of the transcript* oh right, Batman. (lol) I sure appreciate your link above. I'll give that a look.

So I guess I will be posting a message soon elsewhere, to get some technical help if no one else does so. do you have any ideas or suggestions, on places that I could try to post that? I was thinking to post at the Help Desk again with a specific request.

If you know of a specific place that's better, let me know; eg, a task force for handling templates, a general project or task force, an active talk page, or a specific editor, group, etc. otherwise, I'll just post a brief message and see what response I get. I appreciate your help. thanks!!! --Sm8900 (talk) 14:35, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Sm8900, I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this. Making the Comics template work comparably to US-Comics with respect to work groups or task forces is not going to let you mark articles as top-importance for Batman without them also being marked as top-importance to Comics in general. I believe you've already run into problems trying to do that.

With the current size of the task force, I would think that coordinating work could be done on the project page at WikiProject Comics/Batman work group - just add the most important work to be done to the ToDo list and, as things get into better shape, keep revising the list and the assessments so that attention can be focused where it will do the most good.

People are still going to edit whatever they want to, whether it's upgrading stubs or bringing the articles they consider most important to GA and FA status. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:57, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2020

can you put my name at the bottom of the page please I know that a robot properly reads this and this page has been grieved before and I always write a good edit for the younger generation to understand and they have always been taken off after a couple of minutes and for my request my name is Jack Benham ;) 86.179.176.36 (talk) 09:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

No. If you're looking to find a way to sign your comments on talk pages, and make sure any edits are attributed to you in history, the best way is to register an account. It's not appropriate to have your name on article pages. --Killer Moff- ill advisedly sticking his nose in since 2011 (talk) 11:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2020

{{edit semi-protected|Batman|answered=yes) I Would Like To Make Batman Have AKA Bruce Wayne Because his name is bruce wayne 6ix9ine7even1ne (talk) 14:58, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2020

Batman is a master strategist and tactician. This information must be added in his powers and abilities. 106.198.94.199 (talk) 08:22, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Some of the points in the infobox regarding his intelect seem to already cover these. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:15, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Alternative versions?

So I discovered that the article for Alternative versions of Batman has been deleted last week. Why hasn't that article's contents been loaded into this article? GeniusReading2310 04:41, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2020

There is a text error that I would like to fix. 108.178.246.2 (talk) 19:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 19:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

File:Batman (circa 2002).png

Hi, I've uploaded this pic (File:Batman (circa 2002).png for the infobox but not yet replacing the current image.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 00:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

NeoBatfreak, I do not think the current image should be replaced. That one you uploaded shows him in an awkward pose that is unhelpful for readers. JOEBRO64 00:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@NeoBatfreak: When it comes to infobox images, as a general rule, if isn't broke, it's probably not a good idea to "fix" it. If an image works, then it shouldn't need to be changed periodically. Darkknight2149 21:45, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

File:Batman (circa 2020).png

I have uploaded a new image of the character (File:Batman (circa 2020).png) that has transparent background for the infobox. But I do not want to cause an edit war, so feel free to decide.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 01:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

• sigh* The current image is fine. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. JOEBRO64 01:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

• Agreed. As has been requested (thrice now), please stick to changing infobox images that are flawed or empty. If a non-free infobox image works, there is no reason to periodically change it (especially without a consensus). Darkknight2149 22:28, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

New Links

under "a new look" change "Ace", and "Bat-Mite" to hyperlinks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mashedpotatoes52 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Bruce wayne as Batman

This article lists actor Bruce Thomas as one of those who have portrayed Batman on screen. This, however, has seemingly been refuted by Bruce Thomas himself (as stated on Bruce Thomas' own Wikipedia page, complete with a source). On the basis of that, could this page be updated accordingly? If not, why? Thanks in advance.

He has denied playing the character on Birds of Prey, but he did play him in commercials. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 14:05, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Martial arts categories

Does this really need to be in categories for every single type of martial arts? The fact that he is a martial artist is defining, but not all of the individual types. Most of the time, he doesn't even use a single defined style of martial arts. I am going to be bold and remove them (but of course leave it in Category:DC Comics martial artists. If you disagree with me and want to undo it, all I ask is that you explain you explain your reasoning here. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 20:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

There are numerous occasions where individual styles Batman knows have been mentioned in the comics. You're right that he doesn't use only a single style, but any specific styles that he does use should be fair game to include as categories, provided there's a correct citation for it.Caivu (talk) 22:48, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I’d disagree. Unlike a character like Batroc the Leaper and his use of savate, Batman is not defined by any single martial art. Therefore they should be removed per WP:CATDEF. --Killer Moff- ill advisedly sticking his nose in since 2011 (talk) 22:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Why does that matter? If he's been shown or demonstrated to know certain types of martial arts in the comics, and those instances are cited properly, then what's the issue in putting him in the relevant categories? For instance, if he knows karate, then it's appropriate for him to be listed in the "fictional karateka" category, even though that's not the only martial art he knows or uses.Caivu (talk) 23:23, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Caivu As WP:CATDEF says, "A central concept used in categorizing articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having". Can you find multiple third party sources for each method of martial arts that he knows? Like I said before, most of the time he doesn't even use a single defined style martial arts. The fact that he's a martial artist is defining, but not all of the different styles that he's said to know. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 02:59, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

That quote doesn't say anything about third-party sources, only reliable ones. Both Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability allow for "The piece of work itself (the article, book)" to be a reliable source. Caivu (talk) 03:15, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but it does ask that the categories be used commonly and consistently. Batman is commonly and consistently referred to as using martial arts. Even if a specific style is mentioned in a book, I would argue that it is not done commonly or consistently enough to be regarded as defining. --Killer Moff- ill advisedly sticking his nose in since 2011 (talk) 16:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, in that case there has to be some sort of threshold for what counts as common or consistent. Is it the sheer number of mentions? Consistency across multiple writers and/or eras? Something else? Caivu (talk) 18:27, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't there is a concrete threshold for what is needed. A couple of reliable third party sources mentioning (not in passing) it would be good. If you can point to multiple times in the comics it's mentioned (again not in passing) that would also be good. There just has to be some concrete evidence that these types of martial arts are defining for him. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 18:51, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Sources for Batman knowing the various martial arts listed: ALL martial arts from "Aikido to Yaw-Yan", listing Savate and Capoeira as well: https://i.stack.imgur.com/wTVMJ.jpg Batman knowing and utilizing Karate: https://i.stack.imgur.com/RBNwe.jpg Batman knowing and utilizing Wushu, Judo and Aikido: https://i.stack.imgur.com/eDgKI.png Batman knowng and utilizing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: https://i.stack.imgur.com/3fIQl.jpg Batman knowing Kalaripayattu: https://i.stack.imgur.com/l0Ag4.jpg Batman training in Boxing, Fencing and Judo: https://inti-revista.org/img/889ebef126e146166f4332af18462b2e.jpg Batman again knowing EVERY martial art: http://i.stack.imgur.com/mNQCE.jpg and https://i.imgur.com/vGujYWq.jpg

MartinKassemJ120 (talk) 20:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

MartinKassemJ120 You're completely missing the point. Per WP:CATDEF, categories need to be DEFINING for the article. The fact that he has used these things one does not make them defining for the character. 23:52, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

He does not use these arts "only once", he is consistently described as being adept in literally all martial arts and in various media seen using the techniques from the martial arts listed and/or having trained in them in the past. I'm not using these videos as sources, but just as examples of what I am talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OjQOvsEkBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTZltSKD2LI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3XXL1bK-fU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGiG3XmuIrM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQLmKI2eSt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9SYM8_k_aM
MartinKassemJ120 (talk) 00:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

You're still missing the point. Being trained in a style of martial arts does not alone make it defining. But since this conversation is going nowhere, I'm start an RFC about. Feel free to participate in it. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 02:46, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

RFC

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

There's a consensus that categorizing by each martial art does not meet WP:CATDEF. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 21:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

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Should this article be included in multiple subcategories for different martial arts? Note the above the conversation. Pinging MartinKassemJ120, Killer Moff and Caivu who have participated in the initial conversation to !vote here. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 02:46, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose As stated above, WP:CATDEF, says "A central concept used in categorizing articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having." Knowing martial arts is defining characteristic for Batman, but the specific types of martial arts that he knows aren't defining to him. An overwhelming majority of the time, Batman does not use a defined style of martial arts. Third party sources also rarely talk about his specific styles of martial arts training. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 02:46, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Found this while browsing through the list of RfCs. I agree with JDDJS's removal of the categories per WP:CATDEFINING. Some1 (talk) 03:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC) Some1 (talk) 05:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support WP:CATDEFINING is very vague and even then, I am certain Batman fits the criteria. I have provided numerous evidences from comics, tv shows and movies of Batman training and mastering these SPECIFIC martial arts (such as Karate, Judo, Wushu, Aikido, etc.) him USING them in hand-to-hand combat, and that this is referenced in Batman media CONSISTENTLY. "A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having". Batman is consistently defined as knowing every martial art in the world and references to specific styles have been given in the above mentioned Batman media. He IS defined as learning, mastering and utilizing these numerous specific arts. As for third party sources, I have done some digging and all of these confirm what I am saying:
  https://web.archive.org/web/20190316171734/https://buildingthebat.com/bat-skills-what-skills-does-batman-have/ (this link is used as a source in the article)
  https://wayofmartialarts.com/what-martial-arts-does-batman-know-and-use/#:~:text=How%20Many%20and%20Which%20Martial%20Arts%20Does%20Batman,Open%20hand%20strikes%20%206%20more%20rows%20
  https://batmanfeats.blogspot.com/p/martial-arts.html
  And not to mention the clips I have provided of him learning Judo from The Animated Series or the new Animated film currently coming out Batman: Soul of the Dragon were he is seen training and practicing Wushu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartinKassemJ120 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose: I don't believe that because Batman is described as knowing "every martial art" that means that he should be added to every "fictional practitioner of X" category. Right now Batman has 22 martial arts categories; it seems like ~6 or less would be more reasonable/appropriate. I think the idea that he is a master of many styles should be communicated through the main text of the article, not less-important category listings. —WingedSerif (talk) 15:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• Suggested Compromise I am willing to concede and narrow down the list to ONLY the martial arts specifically mentioned by name in the comics; Those being Aikido, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Capoeira, Judo, Karate, Kalaripayattu, Savate and Kung Fu (Wushu). The other arts listed but not mentioned by name in the source materials such as Muay Thai, Taekwondo, Hapkido, Sambo, Pankration, etc. can be logically inferred by the reader. MartinKassemJ120 (talk) 19:53, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. When a character has been regularly published for over 80 years, it will be possible to pick multiple examples of just about anything. It would be possible to cite the many times he has used a gun, but it is much more important in understanding the character that he is not listed as a gun user. It is similarly much more important that the character is noted as a master of many or all martial arts than of any specific arts. Listing all the arts he has been mentioned as using encourages people to add more but does not add to the understanding of the character any better. --Killer Moff- ill advisedly sticking his nose in since 2011 (talk) 15:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose generally (responding to a bot notification), per JDDJS. --BDD (talk) 18:59, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Creator(s)

can we talk about how people keep reverting edits to mention bob kane as a creator of batman before bill finger? finger had obviously created most (if not all) of the batman mythos, but some keep editing this article as if he were to be taking a back seat to the creation, making it seem as if kane were to have taken a bigger role in batman's conception. if you guys wanna keep the article the way it is, can someone just tell me why we cant keep the article mentioning finger before kane? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C51:7C7E:F5D3:AD4D:8A7A:335D:4BD6 (talk) 05:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Having one name before another doesn't make it look like someone took a backseat to anyone. It says created by A & B, not A with help from B. If a change were to be made a consensus to swap it would need to be reached as the current version must have been version agreed upon at some point. This creator history is detailed in the article, the lead mentions them both in second sentence. WikiVirusC^(talk) 02:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2021

change Batman is a superhero who appears in American comic books published by DC Comics. to IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE FOLLOW HIM ! ! ! https://instagram.com/batman_justiceleague?igshid=1bn1s0n9390kw Batman is a superhero who appears in American comic books published by DC Comics. 46.239.6.116 (talk) 08:51, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: 1) Wikipedia doesn't link to external sites in the article body, especially in places as prominent as the first paragraph. 2) Wikipedia usually doesn't link to social media sites such as Instagram. 3) That would be misleading, as it would imply that people can't read the article unless they follow that Instagram account (which is not true). 4) Not everyone has an Instagram account. Also please read Wikipedia:External links § Links normally to be avoided. Kleinpecan (talk) 09:17, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Untitled

Batman is an expert strategist and tactician. Add this in his powers and abilities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.198.94.199 (talk) 08:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Harvey Dent in partnerships section in infobox

User: Kinsley Bottom and I have an ongoing dispute regarding Harvey Dent's inclusion in the partnerships section in the infobox. We still have not arrived at a conclusion, therefore we would like to hear other people's opinions regarding this. Link to our discussion
- SinkingInMercury (talk) 00:40, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2021

There is a few mistakes i want to fix in the batman article Poopoopoopomcscoop (talk) 15:48, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Vahurzpu (talk) 17:19, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Bruce Wayne IS Jewish!, please correct this

Bruce Wayne is Jewish through halacha Jewish law!

DC Accidentally Made Batman Jewish | CBR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:D95F:3301:B86B:FB2C:5F34:C6BD (talk) 13:49, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

There's no correction to be made, as he isn't Jewish in canon. He may be Jewish in a comic, but that doesn't mean he's a Jewish as a character. This is a generalization, although I appreciate the concern. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 07:08, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Batman & Harvey Dent Allies

User:Reggie Osborne Why are you so insistent on keeping Harvey Dent out of the partnerships?? Harvey Dent is his VERY FIRST ally, therefore it makes sense he should be included Greasy mech (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Greasy mech why are you so insistent on keeping Harvey Dent in as partnerships?? Batman has had many many allies throughout the years, out of the many heroes he’s worked with, this is the one you’re hellbent on keeping. Reggie Osborne (talk) 19:09, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Reggie Osborne Uh because he was canonically his very first ally and an important part of his canon.. That's what differentiates him from the others and why I want to include him

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:The Batman which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 22:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Mistake in fictional character biography

In the paragraph about the story “bruce wayne: fugitive” the name of the character mentioned is “Vesper Fairchild” an not “Vesper Lynd” which is a james bond franchise character (I was confused by this and looked it up) 5.29.38.47 (talk) 22:17, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2021

The New Batman movies comes out December 20, 1499 209.120.227.114 (talk) 13:48, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:55, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Please help me

Why can nobody ever explain anything I ask? 2001:48F8:1002:B09:0:0:0:BB36 (talk) 22:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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New 52 and Rebirth to now (character biography)

I noticed that the fictional character biography doesn't have much since The New 52 so I'm going to try to add as much of what's missing as I can. If I get anything wrong or miss anything, please let me know so that I can fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kookaburra01 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2022

• Peak human very big ;)
• Genius-level intellect
• Expert detective
• Expert martial artist and hand-to-hand combatant
• Utilizes high-tech equipment and weapons 201.17.122.45 (talk) 13:12, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:15, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Submitting Draft:Bruce Wayne (The Batman film series) to article mainspace

I've spent the last few months putting together an extensive standalone article on the Matt Reeves/Robert Pattinson iteration of Batman (from The Batman film), and I've been told I can't officially move it from its current status as a draft article until I notify the talk page. So yeah RebelYasha (talk) 01:58, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Strongly oppose the creation of that article. He's been in one movie and the entire thing is just a WP:FORK of The Batman (film). There are no notable differences between this Batman and Pattinson's Batman that can't be described at The Batman's article. The phenomenon of creating separate articles for film incarnations of comic book characters is terrible in general and I will strongly oppose efforts to create useless cruft articles about every single new incarnation of Batman and Spider-Man and whatnot. JOEBRO64 02:47, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Notified: Talk:The Batman (film). InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:47, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

FYI, someone else tried this as well, and there was consensus to delete the article. See Wikipedia: Articles for deletion/Bruce Wayne (Batverse character) for reference. -2pou (talk) 05:55, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

It does look like the draft just has a lot of details copied from the film article plus unsourced extra stuff. We should only be splitting that off from the film article if that article gets too big or it makes more sense to have it separate, but most of that stuff is integral to the film and should definitely be kept there. There also isn't really going to be any major reception info specifically about the character that does not already apply to the film as a whole. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:26, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

I also think it is too early for this draft to be moved. Perhaps wait until more sequels are released? Pinging @Painting17 here, the creator of the draft. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:54, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Far too early for an individual article. The character has only appeared in one film and, being the protagonist, it's not independent enough from the film itself. When he's appeared in more films or in the TV shows planned, this can perhaps be discussed again, but it seems like articles on film versions of comic book characters are written earlier and earlier now, when they're unnecessary. —El Millo (talk) 19:43, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

As the creator of the draft, I wholeheartedly agree with you. A single film isn't enough to establish notability, but the character seems to have a promising future. Painting17 (talk) 16:27, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2022

plz man gib perm for writing very nice! Dinglesmith jones (talk) 16:56, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. WikiVirusC^(talk) 17:00, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

DC Universe

Can anyone edit Batman as the protagonist of the furry Universe? 107.122.97.46 (talk) 13:41, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

There's no single protagonist of the DC Universe. —El Millo (talk) 13:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Batman is a furry now? LMAO MightyArms (talk) 04:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Remove sock-puppet's attempts to push Van Leer into every article

There is absolutely nothing notable about Van Leer, he does not belong in an article about Batman. A recently revealed sock puppet had been adding undue references to him in tons of articles over the years. Please remove sentence mentioning him. Thanks. 50.45.170.185 (talk) 19:04, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done WikiVirusC^(talk) 19:09, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Unavailable link.

When it shows the foes that Batman haves, the Scarecrow link does not work because "Character" is misspelled. It should be "Scarecrow (DC Comics)". MasterWolf0928-Æthelwulf (talk) 18:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

 Fixed, thank you. Certes (talk) 21:39, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Main image: should the Batman Hush image be removed? Per WP:FREER

According to WP:FREER, fair-use images should only be used when there is no free equivalent or the subject cannot be illustrated using a creative commons/public domain source. I bring this up because the header image, File:Batman Infobox.jpg, is a fair-use image, but Wikimedia Commons has multiple official images of Batman in the public domain, such as File:Adam West as Batman.jpg and File:Adam West as Batman in TV series.JPG. So to me it seems like the fair-use image is absolutely replaceable since there are free alternatives that accurately illustrate the character. I believe we should remove File:Batman Infobox.jpg per the policy and replace it with, say, File:Adam West as Batman.jpg. Di (they-them) (talk) 01:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

• The main topic of the article is the comic books version of Batman / Bruce Wayne, so using an image of the West iteration of the character would be confusing and wrong in my opinion.--Redjedi23 (talk) 23:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Redjedi23: The page discusses all versions of the character, including the comic book version. They are all the same character. Di (they-them) (talk) 02:05, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

No, because this is about the comic book character, not the Adam West incarnation. JOEBRO⁶⁴ 02:10, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@TheJoebro64: They are the same character. The Adam West incarnation is still Batman, which is the subject of the article. Di (they-them) (talk) 02:24, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Batman

Comic 105.112.178.126 (talk) 14:42, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Batman is not a superhero as he does not have superpowers

Superhero explicitly defines a superhero as a hero having superpowers, and Superpower (ability) explicitly defines themselves as fictional superhuman abilities, superhuman abilities further being defines as something that exceeds what naturally can be found in humans. Batman does not possess any superpowers as intellect, hand-to-hand combat, and wealth are not fictional superhuman abilities, as humans do possess one, combination, or all of them. Batman should be simply referred to as a hero. Mechanical Keyboarder (talk) 04:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Pure nonsense, and a superhero is not defined by having superpowers. As the main article on superhero explains: "Some superheroes (for example, Batman and Iron Man) derive their status from advanced technology they create and use". Basically, several superheroes are defined by their high-tech gadgets, weaponry, or armor. Steel has been able to emulate Superman's powers through purely technological means, as he is depicted as a skilled engineer and inventor. Green Arrow and Hawkeye typically have no inherent powers, but they are depicted as highly skilled archers, martial artists, and users of high-tech "trick arrows" (including explosives, sonic weapons, etc). Mockingbird used to have no powers at all beyond her martial-arts skills. Her current "enhanced" status has slowed her aging and further increased her physical strength and agility (which were already advanced), without granting her additional powers. Some so-called "street-level" superheroes, like Daredevil, have no powers beyond their enhanced senses of hearing, smell, or touch. Dimadick (talk) 07:56, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

All of them should be simply referred to as heroes/heroines then. It's inconsistent for wikipedia articles to define certain terms and articles to not follow them.Mechanical Keyboarder (talk) 19:33, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

First, Batman is widely labeled by reliable sources as a superhero, so it would be improper for Wikipedia to deny that label. As for defining a superhero, the Wikipedia article does not source the definition, and definitions in general are not immutable. Rather, that Wikipedia article should have a "Definition" section that focuses on this matter. I easily found the book What is a Superhero? that literally covers this current matter here and can be referenced to flesh out such a section. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 20:14, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2023

i dont think it right batman was born on august 13th 1999 Hhh636275 (talk) 20:28, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Callmemirela 🍁 21:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2023

Change Christan bale to Pedro Cabrera Femboy Trapper (talk) 01:11, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: no reason given fro the proposed change. M.Bitton (talk) 12:09, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Removal of a comic from Batman publications and storylines

Batman & Spider-Man: New Age Dawning should be deleted from this section (as it no longer has a page) just as Spider-Man and Batman: Disordered Minds was deleted from it long ago.2600:1700:B570:3BD0:797D:F456:EE7D:E8B2 (talk) 15:34, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2023

• Expert Martial arts and hand-to-hand combatant 2804:1B3:70C2:AE35:C89E:2A37:9A37:F5B9 (talk) 17:24, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Stewpot (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ) 18:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

“Co-creator”

WTF? Bob Kane the thief didn’t even “co-create” Batman. I’m confused. Wolfquack (talk) 23:33, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you clearly are confused. While Finger is the one who created many of the iconic aspects of the character, Kane is the one who first created the idea of the character. While Finger's status as co-creator was unfairly unrecognized at times, it does not mean that we should now ignore Kane's role as co-creator. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 17:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@JDDJS I know I’m late to this, but that really stinks; I think we can all agree that Bob Kane is a thief. It’s a shame that a liar can’t be taken down due to WP:POV and WP:RS. I know those are important rules for wikipedia, but there are difficulty sometimes where I wish I could take down some rules. Although I guess this is what humanity has done with credit since the dawn. Wolfquack (talk) 17:06, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

"inspired, some say plagiarized, by" Partners of Peril

First, that's grammatically confused. Second, it's not merely arguable but blatantly obvious that Detective #27 closely copied the plot of PoP, so just say that "It largely duplicated the plot of" PoP. 2601:642:4600:BE10:D505:A31D:2E93:72BA (talk) 18:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 03:31, 28 January 2024 (UTC)