Talk:Apitherapy

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Honey is an antibiotic and promotes healing

I think this article casts an overly broad net. Claiming the entire field is pseudo-science is inaccurate.

Honey is an antibiotic and promotes healing. There's plenty of science-based evidence backing it. Google Scholar presents plenty of articles. Even government health websites provide papers acknowledging it: honey antibiotic site:nih.gov and honey antibiotic site:nhs.uk.

The downside to honey seems to be microbial and environmental contamination, like the presence of pesticides.

Jeffrey Walton (talk) 07:36, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Any reliable sources? Alexbrn (talk) 06:47, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Honey's antimicrobial properties are attributed to pH between 3.2 and 4.5 and presence of hydrogen peroxide.
Honey: its medicinal property and antibacterial activity
Antibacterial Potency of Honey
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And here you can find references from the UK's National Health Service: honey antibiotic site:nhs.uk
I don't make any claims about other uses, like bee venom.
The Hindawi journal is junk, and not usable. We already have very good sources on honey and wounds. Antimicrobial properties in general would be at the Honey article. Alexbrn (talk) 07:50, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Correct me if I am wrong, but a separate article about Honey has nothing to do with the inaccuracies in this article. This article states Apitherapy is a branch of alternative medicine that uses honey bee products, including honey, pollen, propolis, royal jelly and bee venom. Proponents of apitherapy make claims for its health benefits which are unsupported by evidence-based medicine. The statement is not correct because we know honey has medicinal properties backed by science.
Your logic is faulty. Proponents of apitherapy make claims for its health benefits which are unsupported by evidence-based medicine. That's true & sourced. Alexbrn (talk) 08:00, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing wrong with my logic. Its another diversionary tactic, like the earlier one of the Honey article. This article says honey has no evidenced-based benefits and use of honey is a pseudoscience. That's completely wrong. Honey is known to have antimicrobial properties. Stop with the diversions and stay focused on the topic at hand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noloader (talk • contribs) 08:30, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You're wrong, the article does not say that. What we say is well-sourced. I have updated the source and provided a quotation to seal the deal. All is good. Remember, bleach is an anti-microbial; that does not mean bleach therapy is validated! Alexbrn (talk) 09:42, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The inability to use bee venom as a cure for cancer does not impeach honey for its antimicrobial uses. The article is missing a citation that backs the assertion you are making - that all uses of bee products are pseudoscience. And you provided yet another logical fallacy. Claiming bleach is antimicrobial but cannot be used as medicine therefore honey is not a medicine is called the "red herring" fallacy. It is the third time you have tried to enlist a logical fallacy. You should stay on-point rather than wandering. It is a waste of reader's time.
Jeffrey Walton (talk) 10:49, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The title of the second source is The Complete Guide to Complementary Therapies in Cancer Care, but it does not only discuss using venom as a cure for cancer. The chapter on apitherapy mentions a range of claimed health benefits from different bee products, and points out that there is no scientific evidence for any of the claims. In other words, it does support the assertion in the article. --bonadea contributions talk 11:20, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Noloader, that has nothing to do with apitherapy though. I know some alt-meddlers say this, but that's just the usual problem of quacks seizing on something tangentially related that isn't entirely bollocks, and asserting that it somehow magically validates the bollocks they are selling. Guy (help!) 10:06, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The definition of Apitherapy is using bee products like honey as medicine. https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/apitherapy, https://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/apitherapy, https://www.encyclopedia.com/medicine/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/apitherapy, etc.
Jeffrey Walton (talk) 10:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No need for WP:DICTS when we have excellent secondary sources. Alexbrn (talk) 10:45, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"beehive air"

I recently saw a meme about this, and upon looking a little further, apparently it's a thing. From what I can tell you wear a mask connected to tube that goes into a hive. I assume there is some sort of obstruction to prevent bees from flying into your mouth. I found a number of places affering this service, and this scientific paper examining the actual content of beehive air [1]. Not sure if that's enough to warrant mentioning it here but thought I'd bring it up. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:57, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Beehive air is taken into the lungs by building a room that has beehives underneath it with screens between the room and the hives. This beneficial air comes through the screen into the room and prevents the bees from entering the room. I have been inside three of these rooms. Two were in Ukraine and the other in Wellington, Florida. One of the rooms in Ukraine the apitherapist told me they were treating a woman with very high blood pressure. The woman was sleeping her nights in this room and in two nights her blood pressure was within the normal range. Alexandrsmarines (talk) 05:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Honeybee venom was found to suppress arthritic inflammation in rats

There has been research showing that honeybee venom suppresses arthritic inflammation in rats with possible implications for treatment in humans. I think this should be mentioned in the article. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12067099/ 61.227.10.126 (talk) 23:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Primary research; WP:MEDRS would be needed. Bon courage (talk) 04:23, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have had bee sting therapy many times and I used to keep my own bees. I once had arthritic inflammation in my hands. I say once, but no more after getting stung many times on my hands. The inflammation has never returned. Also, I had a skin cancer cut out from my face by an MD who is a dermatologist. A month later the same cancer popped up on my nose. I did not want to lose a part of my nose the facial scar was bad enough so I went to an apitherapist here in South Florida. I had him sting the original cancer scar and the cancer on my nose weekly for 6 months and the cancer on my nose disappeared I never have had any problems since and that was 8 years ago. I never had to lose part of my nose to surgery. There has been research on bee venom treating cancer at the University of Washington in Missouri by two doctors there. They found that bee venom attacks only the cancer cells killing the cancer cells. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandrsmarines (talk • contribs) 05:57, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a credible wp:medrs, then you may add it to the article. Unfortunately primary research is not allowed. OverzealousAutocorrect (talk) 16:43, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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