Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine/Society and medicine task force/Archive 1

Setting importance

The instructions say that society articles needing attention should be tagged as "high" importance and everything else tagged as mid. Under what circumstances, if any, would any articles be tagged as low importance? Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

What should be set by default (or by a bot)?

{{WikiProject Medicine | class= | importance= |society=yes |society-imp=Mid}} -DePiep (talk) 10:41, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

See WP:BOTREQUEST this one. Please follow that page. -DePiep (talk) 14:20, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. As this is a bot, and I think it might be useful to look at the pages at least once, I have asked for the importance to be set to ???. As I/we sift through the articles, we can change the importance to mid to indicate we have reviewed it. --LT910001 (talk) 15:16, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Get assessments starting

I have added the basic tables to the page:

• {{Articles by quality|topic=society and medicine}}
• {{Articles by Importance|topic=society and medicine}}

These two do just category counting.
To get the full table, the WP1.0 bot must be started on this taskforce/project. That did not happen yet. Run the bot. Frustrating. Maybe the lowercase in "society" may disturb things.

Add pages to the taskforce seems to be done by [1]. Did not find exactly how.

Please keep talk here. -DePiep (talk) 14:43, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

You missed out on the step of adding Category:Society and medicine articles by quality to Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments. I just added this, and then re-ran the update tool. So now all of the data is there, but it seems like the table on WP doesn't also get updated. Now, you just have to wait a few days for it to be run again to update the table. --Scott Alter (talk) 17:07, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Where did yo find that? WP1.0 "has" the worst manual of WP. IT's chasing peole away. -DePiep (talk) 01:16, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much to you both for you help! --LT910001 (talk) 11:41, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

About the tagging tool I asked at the village pump. -DePiep (talk) 12:27, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

There are very smart bots that can look at all MED pages intelligently for this. Ask me or the (botoperator)/botrequest page. -DePiep (talk) 15:13, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I've set up the assessment bot a bunch of times, so I knew it needed to be done. Looking over the directions, it is noted at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot#Setting up for the bot, within the categories listed in #1. --Scott Alter (talk) 00:47, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

The assessment table now works. Apparently, the bot stopped working (see Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index#Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight is no longer updating). Regarding the table, since all of the articles have the same importance, it is not listed in the column headers. If there are more than 1 importance ratings, then you will see the importance listed in the headers. --Scott Alter (talk) 04:21, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk page formatting

I've setup the talk page for archival and added a {{Talkheader}} and the Medicine navigation header.

Please feel free to modify as you wish.

Cheers,

— Cirt (talk) 21:16, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Proposal to broaden/rename HIV/AIDS in the pornographic film industry

There is a discussion, Talk:HIV/AIDS in the pornographic film industry#Propose broaden scope and rename, that members of this project may be interested in. Lightbreather (talk) 20:57, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

PTSD: Society and Culture

The Society and Culture section of Posttraumatic stress disorder would benefit from contributions from this task force. The section currently has a little information about the United Kingdom, but nothing for the United States or other countries.

I will add information as I have time. The impact of the PTSD diagnosis on society and culture has been significant, and our culture(s) have also influenced how we conceptualize trauma and posttraumatic stress.

According to WP:MEDMOS (Wikipedia Manual of Style for Medicine-related articles), the Society and Culture section "...might include stigma, economics, religious aspects, awareness, legal issues, notable cases."

Some potential topics include:

• PTSD as a criminal defense (sometimes for insanity defenses but more often for mitigation)
• Veterans courts
• 'Everyone has PTSD' (fad diagnosis, criterion creep)
• PTSD in cinema and television
• PTSD myths (e.g., all Vietnam war veterans are crazy and might 'go postal' at any moment)
• Stigma of a PTSD diagnosis in the military (e.g., "you won't get promoted if you have PTSD") and civilian life (e.g., "employers think I'm crazy because I served in Iraq")
• Significant increase in number of veterans receiving VA disability compensation for PTSD - Is it due to laws and regulations catching up with reality, or are a large number of veterans without PTSD nonetheless receiving service-connected disability benefits for PTSD due to political factors?
• Emphasis on combat-related PTSD versus PTSD due to childhood abuse (often stigmatized as borderline personality disorder), domestic violence (stigmatized as a sign of pre-existing psych problems of the victim/survivor), motor vehicle accidents, etc.
• Posttraumatic growth

Thank you for your consideration. - Mark D Worthen PsyD 16:10, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Overlap with WP:Hospitals

My concern relates to the articles for various medical colleges. I was wondering if {{WikiProject Medicine | class= | importance= |society=yes |society-imp=Mid}} should be placed on talk pages of medical colleges as in Talk:Al-Ameen Medical College. Since WP:Hospitals has been placed on the articles and so rather than introducing WP:MED separately would it not be a better idea to introduce a parameter like {{WikiProject Hospitals | class= | importance= |education=yes |education-imp=Mid}} or {{WikiProject Hospitals | class= | importance= |med.ed=yes |med.ed-imp=Mid}} within the scope of WP:Hospitals? I am trying to mark the overlap of scope of the two wikiprojects here.

I was going through List of medical colleges in India and was quite shocked to see the pathetic condition that the majority of the articles are in. Indeed we need to figure out some way to tag them. Diptanshu^Talk 02:45, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

A further issue to consider is that the articles tagged with WP:MED appear on the offline version of the medical wikipedia app and that the articles marked with WP:Hospitals do not. Since the tagging is not standard, some medical colleges appear on the list while others do not. Requesting the defining of a standard policy to be defined. Diptanshu^Talk 03:04, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

I would be supportive of tagging them all with WPHOSPITAL and detagging them from WPMED. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:32, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Hospitals § Scope lists "medical training establishments" as outside that project's scope. They recommend WP:MED and WikiProject Universities. —Shelley V. Adams ‹blame
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And Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Society and medicine task force § Scope says "Articles that are included in this scope include those about: ... Education: including medical schools and universities." —Shelley V. Adams ‹blame
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