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2012 notes

New articles (unused): Super Mario Bros.
Omitted: John Calvin/Calvinism; Phineas Gage; Elizabeth McCombs; Lin Biao
Included: Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus (first appearance); Ögedei Khan (first appearance); Battle of the Plains of Abraham (4th appearance, last in 2010); September 1964 South Vietnamese coup attempt (2nd appearance, last in 2010); Goiânia accident (7th appearance, last in 2009; rescued from Ineligible; 25th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 06:03, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 notes

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples
Omitted: Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus; Ögedei Khan; Phineas Gage; September 1964 South Vietnamese coup attempt; Goiânia accident
Included: Francis Scott Key (first appearance; blurb previously featured Fort McHenry and Battle of Baltimore, both of which are currently ineligible; blurb is making its 6th appearance, last in 2010); Elizabeth McCombs (2nd appearance, last in 2011; 80th anniversary); Hurricane Gilbert (first appearance; 25th anniversary); 13 September 2008 Delhi bombings (first appearance)
Repeats: Battle of the Plains of Abraham (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

—howcheng {chat} 06:21, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2014 request

Blatantly biased request - Could we have Phineas Gage back this year? EEng (talk) 14:16, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2014 notes

Moved to Ineligible: September 1964 South Vietnamese coup attempt (TFA for 2014)
Omitted: Battle of the Plains of Abraham; Francis Scott Key; Elizabeth McCombs (ineligible—maintenance); Hurricane Gilbert; 13 September 2008 Delhi bombings
Included: Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus (2nd appearance, last in 2012); John Calvin/Calvinism (both: 3rd appearance, last in 2011); Phineas Gage (4th appearance, last in 2012); Lin Biao (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Dawson College shooting (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 07:21, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2015 unrequest

As much as Phineas Gage is my pet topic, I recognize overexposure isn't a good thing, so I suggest he be rotated out this year. Howcheng, let me mention in passing that I doubt you get the recognition you deserve for your consistent hard work at OTD. If only DYK ran so smoothly! EEng (talk) 16:53, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Re-pinging Howcheng. EEng (talk) 04:26, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done. —howcheng {chat} 07:22, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2015 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Goiânia accident (maintenance)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): September 1964 South Vietnamese coup attempt
Omitted: Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus; Phineas Gage; Lin Biao; Dawson College shooting
Included: Battle of the Plains of Abraham (6th appearance, last in 2013); Francis Scott Key (2nd appearance, last in 2013); Elizabeth McCombs (3rd appearance, last in 2013; rescued from Ineligible); Super Mario Bros. (first appearance; 30th anniversary)
Repeats: John Calvin/Calvinism (both: 2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total)

—howcheng {chat} 07:22, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016 Request

Howcheng, can we have Phineas Gage back (but no image, for reasons that should become clear in the next year or so)? E Eng 21:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@EEng: Sure, let's get him back in. —howcheng {chat} 16:01, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weird... I can't remember what the reasons "that should become clear in the next year or so" were for not using the image. E Eng 23:07, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I guess the reasons didn't become clear, then! :) —howcheng {chat} 06:27, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2016 notes

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples
Omitted: Francis Scott Key; Elizabeth McCombs; Super Mario Bros.
Included: John Chrysostom (rescued from Ineligible); Battle of Tangier (1437) (first appearance); Phineas Gage (5th appearance, last in 2014); September 1964 South Vietnamese coup attempt (3rd appearance, last in 2012); Dawson College shooting (2nd appearance, last in 2014; 10th anniversary)
Repeats: John Calvin/Calvinism (both: 3rd consecutive appearance, 5 total; 475th anniversary); Battle of the Plains of Abraham (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

—howcheng {chat} 07:38, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2017 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus (maintenance); Francis Scott Key (maintenance); Battle of Tell El Kebir (maintenance)
New articles (unused): Mary Brewster Hazelton
Omitted: Battle of Tangier (1437) (ineligible—maintenance); Battle of the Plains of Abraham; Phineas Gage; September 1964 South Vietnamese coup attempt; Dawson College shooting (ineligible—maintenance)
Included: Mount Kenya (first appearance); Elizabeth McCombs (4th appearance, last in 2015); Lin Biao (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (2nd appearance, last in 2010; 10th anniversary); Michel de Montaigne (first appearance); Marguerite LeHand (first appearance); Lili Elbe (first appearance)
Repeats: John Calvin/Calvinism (both: 4th consecutive appearance, 6 total)

—howcheng {chat} 15:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2018 query

Hi Howcheng, Petros Voulgaris article has 1884 as year of birth 3 times (lede, infobox, category) but the only referenced (Ref 2) date of birth at section Life has 1883. (Ref 1 per infobox doesn't help.) Should all (and main page) change to 1883? Thanks for all you do. JennyOz (talk) 03:26, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@JennyOz: It looks like 1883 is correct, per [1] .. not sure how reliable that is, but "Πολιτιστικό Ινστιτούτο" (the text next to the copyright notice) translates to "Cultural Institute". I didn't find anything that said 1884 except for WP mirrors. —howcheng {chat} 07:13, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Howcheng, I adjusted birth year category too, Regards, JennyOz (talk) 07:42, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@JennyOz: It turns out that my reference was no good after all, because it put his birth date as 13 July. I think the Greek Navy can be trusted to correctly state the biographical details of one its long-serving officers. —howcheng {chat} 17:16, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All good, thank you, JennyOz (talk) 04:03, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]