WikiProjectMed talk:Wiki Project Med Foundation
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Purpose
So the purpose has changed from when this was founded? I guess so; let's make this clearer? I was very confused when I stumbled upon this place. Main_Page#Differs_from_Wikipedia was very helpful once I finally found it. (However, IIRC, the WMF has a CoC too, IIRC, so maybe this isn't a differentiator? ... checking... or is the issue that it's not clear if https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct to editors?) FYI, I'm keen to add black box warnings to projects - I've started with wikidata and English Wikipedia --RudolfoMD (talk) 03:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Welcome User:RudolfoMD. When we started Wikipedia did not yet have a code of conduct. We are just working on getting Wikidata functional here. A little more complicated than I had hoped. We have a fair number of the FDA blackbox warnings here, but mostly just listed as side effects rather than specifically called out as blackbox warnings. And have been adding side effects to the infoboxes. You can see an example here Lamivudine/tenofovir Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks! Ah. I see. Maybe add They have them too now. to Main_Page#Differs_from_Wikipedia. I haven't got the wikidata refs working quite right on en. either. --RudolfoMD (talk) 04:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- User:RudolfoMD were are you at with respect to the adding of black box warnings to the infobox? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:09, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Unclear. Done - with the technical side, arguably. I've added a bunch of data to wikidata - marked a couple hundred drugs as having black box warnings. I had to learn about and how to use tools to do so. (Still learning.) I have edited https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_drug/sandbox to show a warning in the infobox of the drugs, based on the wikidata, like this: [1]and if the edit is moved to the live template, the task will be largely accomplished ... but only an admin can edit it. I put up an edit request at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_drug#Edit_request_15_November_2023 that links to the discussion showing I've got consensus for having the data shown. The template edit puts the source information in a footnote, so it satisfies the sourcing requirement, but there's been hurdles thrown up one after another - a curiously high level of resistance. --RudolfoMD (talk) 04:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- User:RudolfoMD and then how does one get to the specific warnings themselves? Are you thinking of putting a summary of them in the infobox? Or have that "Warning" tag link to a section in the article with details when clicked on? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- Unclear. Done - with the technical side, arguably. I've added a bunch of data to wikidata - marked a couple hundred drugs as having black box warnings. I had to learn about and how to use tools to do so. (Still learning.) I have edited https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_drug/sandbox to show a warning in the infobox of the drugs, based on the wikidata, like this: [1]and if the edit is moved to the live template, the task will be largely accomplished ... but only an admin can edit it. I put up an edit request at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_drug#Edit_request_15_November_2023 that links to the discussion showing I've got consensus for having the data shown. The template edit puts the source information in a footnote, so it satisfies the sourcing requirement, but there's been hurdles thrown up one after another - a curiously high level of resistance. --RudolfoMD (talk) 04:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- User:RudolfoMD were are you at with respect to the adding of black box warnings to the infobox? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:09, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks! Ah. I see. Maybe add They have them too now. to Main_Page#Differs_from_Wikipedia. I haven't got the wikidata refs working quite right on en. either. --RudolfoMD (talk) 04:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Welcome User:RudolfoMD. When we started Wikipedia did not yet have a code of conduct. We are just working on getting Wikidata functional here. A little more complicated than I had hoped. We have a fair number of the FDA blackbox warnings here, but mostly just listed as side effects rather than specifically called out as blackbox warnings. And have been adding side effects to the infoboxes. You can see an example here Lamivudine/tenofovir Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Pricing
Speaking of progress on big projects, where are you/MDwiki with adding pricing info to articles? After signing up here I looked around and came across the battle to keep pricing info off Wikipedia that seems to have led to this fork. I'm sure financial conflicts of interest had absolutely nothing to do with the curiously high level of resistance you ran into. <Casablanca casino joke reference> Or with the perfect correlation between CoViD-19 drugs the US TLAs recommend or don't and their price/patent status. I see we have more and different pricing info on Insulin_(medication) than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_(medication) has, but it's not coming from a database; looks like it was all added by hand. --RudolfoMD (talk) 04:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- I noticed I can hardly edit anything. I was comparing the insulin (medication) pages here and on 'pedia to see how pricing was handled and noticed "handles insulin" where I think "handles carbs" would be correct?
-- RudolfoMD (talk) 07:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- User:RudolfoMD Yes all pricing data was added manually. Have been in discussion with WHO on how to improve this as their last work on this specifically was years ago. There is at least one editor on EN Wikipedia who has received large sums from the pharma industry and was strongly against listing side effects for a medication by that manufacturer. Wikipedia's ability / desire to deal with COI editing is low.
- Have just turned on your ability to edit widely.
- Have also been working to add medication doses, which is also being done manually. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- ↑ "FDA-sourced list of all drugs with black box warnings (Use Download Full Results and View Query links.)". nctr-crs.fda.gov. FDA. Retrieved 22 Oct 2023.