User talk:Sitush/Archive 25

Dreams Beyond Grades

--Mohit852130 (talk) 13:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreams_Beyond_Grades

• (talk page stalker) Both the above articles look like self-promotion. That's not what Wikipedia is for. I've proposed Dreams Beyond Grades for deletion, as it fails WP:NBOOK, and I also removed an unsourced claim in Sujit Meher that the book was a bestseller. Nothing like that in the source. Bishonen | talk 15:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC).

• Thanks, Bish. I agree about the bio and have removed a bit more from it. This has echoes of another NIFT graduate article but the name of the guy escapes me at the moment. There have been a lot of socks/meats involved, whoever it was. - Sitush (talk) 16:36, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

• Mohit852130 has given some more info on Tbhotch's page, and from that I found something interesting. I see Yunshui, now retired, deleted Sujit Meher per A7 (no credible indication of importance) repeatedly, and finally salted it against further recreation. See the log here. But then a new user asked him to restore it, and he did (despite expression some suspicion). Check out this on Yunshui's page; perhaps you recognize the names? Bishonen | talk 20:49, 21 March 2016 (UTC).

• I don't recognise the users named there but it seems obvious to me that they are in many cases connected to NIFT. That institution has been troublesome for ages on WP, seemingly encouraging farms to achieve promotion of alumni etc. Govind Kumar Singh was similarly affected. - Sitush (talk) 21:25, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

• Sitush, please don't restore the prod if it's removed (not even if it's removed by an obvious sock without giving a reason). It's not allowed. I'm going to AfD these crappy promotional articles. It seems the only thing to do, as there is no end to the socks (quite a mystery whose socks, isn't it? I do wonder who it could possibly be!) removing speedy templates and prods, restoring copyvios, etc. Bishonen | talk 16:30, 23 March 2016 (UTC).

@Bishonen: FYI--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 16:40, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

I didn't realise I had restored it. Sorry! Usually I send stuff to AfD when it happens, although I do wish we could revisit the policy/guidelines because unexplained removal of PRODs is a complete time-sink. - Sitush (talk) 17:00, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Sitush, the whole system of Wikipedia is completely vulnerable to unscrupulous self-promotion. Ponyo, I don't understand how they can be the same. Both Vond and Mohit have tried to get the articles deleted, complained about lack of notability and bad references, etc. How can they be the same person as the pro-promotion socks? Bishonen | talk 17:10, 23 March 2016 (UTC).

Anyway, here are my AfDs:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sujit Meher
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dreams Beyond Grades

Bishonen | talk 17:10, 23 March 2016 (UTC).

Good hand, bad hand? Maybe they're shying away from the negative attention they're receiving and now want the article(s) to "disappear"? Who knows? All I know for certain is that Vond1926, Fashiongrade2016, Mohit852130 and Usroute66india are technically indistinguishable; same IP and same device.--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 17:20, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Inclusion of Mohit does seem odd. Route66india (talk · contribs) is definitely a sock or meat even without CU evidence. As I've said before, these socks/meats are all pushing graduates of the National Institute of Fashion Technology. Their main emphasis has tended to be on Govind Kumar Singh. I think "US Route 66" was even the name of one of the sources used at the Singh article, although it was quite a while ago. - Sitush (talk) 17:15, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

About parasuram

Hi sitush, I have added some content from a valid book and also mentioned the author,source etc.so please go through it.I think this is not the matter of talk level.If anyone questions then lets move to talk. Thanks and regards Madgavkar

Konkan manus (talk) 15:22, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Just tap the link you will get that page directly .If u have justified with my answer do revert. Konkan manus (talk) 15:23, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Konkan manus: the issue is already under discussion at the talk page because someone else (now temporarily blocked from editing) was basically saying the same thing as you. That's why you need to get consensus instead of edit warring to include the disputed content. - Sitush (talk) 15:36, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@sitush,I read that one and that is no way similar to my topic.That is based on some trikarma or satkarma(as like if I am not wrong) but mine is straight forward approach with valid source.This topic is no way related to that. Konkan manus (talk) 15:40, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I assure you no one will do edit war,since wiki is the group of valid source info then why you are not recognizing. Please go through it. @sitush Konkan manus (talk) 15:42, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

My point was that it relates to the same section and that section at least appears to be validly sourced, although someone seemed to be disputing that. Thus, you can certainly argue for inclusion of sourced material that has a different perspective to what is already mentioned but you cannot simply replace one perspective with another - this is a core aspect of our neutrality (just click on that blue link). You are going to have to discuss it. - Sitush (talk) 15:52, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@sitush I am not replacing anything and I am neither disturbing others view but I am adding from a valid source.Also if that's the case then why don't u delete whole section and add to talk?Isn't it biaseness??.Are u giving importance to anyone or source. Who is going to discuss in talk section,when there is no complication? Konkan manus (talk) 16:04, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Or just revert I have added it to talk section in case if any litigation comes I myself delete that content? Is that Ok? Konkan manus (talk) 16:05, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Please do revert bcoz that is valid sourced content , you are indirectly showing me biasness Konkan manus (talk) 16:06, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Let me show u the msg u left in that section. Konkan manus (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

It is common to have a section on origins, mythological and otherwise. You do not explain what is irrelevant but the bigger issue here is whether the sources are ok. I have previously referred you to the above section about non-English language sources, which I opened earlier today in an attempt to address this. - Sitush (talk) 19:46, 22 March 2016 (UTC) Konkan manus (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

So u have asked source for that guy but now I am giving source but u r rejecting? Konkan manus (talk) 16:09, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

But your source is a book about ecosystems. What authority does the writer have to justify our inclusion of their material relating to legendary origins etc? I thought I had explained this before. - Sitush (talk) 16:24, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes its about ecosystem(with people leaving) of goa but explains in depth of origin of different community(that is researched book).so I am confidently asking u to revert. Konkan manus (talk) 16:41, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I saw whole page I think only nigoykar is good source for u.Except that all others edit had been reverted.bravo man bravo. Konkan manus (talk) 16:42, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I will place these thinks in talk.That will be better .gud bye biased sitush. Konkan manus (talk) 16:43, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Your style of writing seems very similar to Truth should trump, who is currently blocked due to their behaviour at the article. Are you aware of that account? Are you aware of WP:SOCK? - Sitush (talk) 16:54, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

About Your Msg on my Talk page about speedy deletion of Beniwal and JAt-related articles

JAT-related articles

You wrote: "Hi, it seems fairly obvious that you are not new to Wikipedia. You have been making a lot of fairly technical edits to articles related to the Jat community and you are citing the same poor sources that numerous other people have tried to use in the past. Given the extent of disruption that has historically occurred at those articles and your own behavioural patterns I really do think that you should make yourself aware of the policy at WP:SOCK. I'm sorry but this does not "feel right". I may be wrong but I doubt it. - Sitush (talk) 02:19, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I should add that you should not necessarily feel disheartened. Books authored by people such as Thakur Deshraj and Vir Singh have long been considered unreliable for use on Wikipedia. It may be that you have suddenly taken an interest in a subject area that is known to be volatile by those of us who have been here for some time ... and that you are unusually quick in learning the technicalities of Wikipedia. If so then that's ok. We can work something out. - Sitush (talk) 02:36, 26 March 2016 (UTC)"

Reply: I am keen to contribute. I will give it a try but if I am run off then I should stop contributing as there is nothing more off putting than all edits being summarily deleted/reverted instead of moe pragmatic, inclusive, encouraging method of inserting specific flags/tags in the article to guide the future contributors to improve the article.

I am an IT professional, I know coding and wiki edits even layman can pickup fast, everyone who has been to university already knows referencing. So why would not that feel right?

The REVIEWERS may have personal preferences FOR and AGAINST some reference sources (which may be SUBJECTIVE), is there an "OFFICIAL" negative list of sources?

About the HISTORICAL issues ... please keep an open mind, do not turn off new contributors, or else there will be reducing pool or contributors, quality/reviews serve an important purpose but instead of broad-brush deletes or reverts (which adds less value, turns contributor off), I suggest that reviewers can make better contribution by inserting appropriate tags/flags (not sure what it the wiki term for this) to improve, Reviews should not become jaded to drag new contributors into any historical edit wars.

What exactly are the VOLATILE AREAS - is there any list? Should contributors refrain from creating/editing any topic on those? Instead I suggest to make them protected/non-edited with authority to selected reviewers to edit if there is such a process or mechanism inside the wiki. It is better to let the articles remain with specific tags for improvement.

Let sanity prevail, that encourages more people to create more articles and progressively raise the quality of articles instead of mass deletions/reverts with no specific actionable flags.

Thanks.

Sujit Meher

Dear Sitush,

Some users keep trying to defame Sujit Meher article. Please go though the link, he has been listed among those top 10 alumni of NIFT. So no need of any deletion request or debate on this particular article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Novelbuzz (talk • contribs) 03:07, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Kachwaha

Did you notice there were two different IPs at Kachwaha? Different IPs, same person. I've blocked them both. Let me know if there's more, then I'll semi. We're too tolerant of this promotional caste crap IMO. Bishonen | talk 16:09, 30 March 2016 (UTC).

I didn't, sorry. Goes to show that at least a part of the red edit notice should still apply - I haven't entirely got my wits about me. I might completely drop out again for a few days. We are too tolerant but try telling that to people who never look at such articles and are mad-keen on not biting etc. - Sitush (talk) 16:24, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's not much of a sign of softening of the brain, I must say. I find it generally impossible to notice slight differences between similar IPs. It was only when I clicked on the contribs of the one you were talking with (talking to, rather), to see if they'd been up to any more nonsense, that I realized with bafflement they only had two contributions altogether. So there had to be another one at the article. Bishonen | talk 16:36, 30 March 2016 (UTC).

Origin of anangpal

sir, i want to tell you that king anangapl was a gurjar emperor because till today there are 8 tanwar gurjar villages in south delhi and there are still mohallas with the name anangapl kunba and prithvi kunba and i can show you many proof. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishalmoral (talk • contribs) 17:13, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

We base our articles on reliable sources. I've explained the reason for my revert on your talk page. There have been literally hundreds of Gurjar people trying to flood our articles with an opinionated, often unsupported, reconstructed history. If there is no reliable source then we cannot show it. And if two or more reliable sources say different things then we need to show all the points of view, not just the one that you or I might prefer. - Sitush (talk) 17:40, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Repeating an old request.

I've noticed that, in the last few days, you have made a couple of hundred edits. So, it seems like your health has improved now. As previously I didn't get any response from you, I am repeating my old request here. A couple of weeks back, I tried to direct your attention to an article which needs exhaustive cleanup, namely the List of people from Punjab, India. There are a few reasons for that:

1) As a huge number of people are wrongly listed in the above article, many vandals are taking their cue from it to alter the listed people's birthplace/ethnicity-related info. e.g. Dhyan Chand is listed in the above article. And that most probably prompted few vandals to alter his birthplace in his main article.

2) Many unprofessional journalists in India take Wikipedia as a firsthand source. And the wrong info which they pick from Wikipedia, becomes an authentic info once it get published in newspapers. The Great Khali is the latest victim of it. He is ethnically from the hilly regions of Himachal Pradesh. And these areas are culturally & linguistically different from the Punjab. But for a long time, his Wiki article described him as a 'Punjabi' Rajput. A couple of newspapers picked that info from the article few months back. And, unsurprisingly, he has now become a person of Punjabi descent! Another example is Anita Sheoran, for whom some confused editor created an article under the wrong title of 'Anita Tomar'. That article remained uncorrected for a long time. And, a few months back, I noticed that the some newspapers had started mentioning here as Anita Tomar! That prompted me to write an article to sort her identity, in which I fortunately succeeded. BTW, there's a wrestler named Alka Tomar but Anita Tomar has never existed. These are the two latest examples which I have come across in the previous few days. And there are hundreds of other such examples available. But I just want to point out the importance of cleaning up the aforementioned article.

3) An ordinary user like me can't fight vandalism of this magnitude. So, it got to be an editor like you who has the authority.

Finally, I am not a beggar by profession or nature. But the one 'improvement' I noticed in me after joining Wikipedia is that I've developed some begging skills! So, if you don't want to cleanup the above article then please mention some experienced editor's username, who can do the cleanup. And I will use my newly attained begging skills on his talk page. BTW, the above drivel isn't meant to deteriorate your health. It's just that I don't know where to get the above article sorted out.-NitinMlk (talk) 12:11, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

You are probably better off just letting the thing rot. It is a mess, yes, but it will always be a mess and it most likely isn't worth worrying about. Any journalist who uses Wikipedia as a direct source isn't worth the job title and deserves whatever problems fall upon them. In my world, articles such as this one would not even exist but I'm afraid I am not in a majority. - Sitush (talk) 12:15, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: If you are stating this then it's most probably impossible to sort that article out. I am learning the bitter realities of Wikipedia by every passing day. Anyway, thanks for clearing my doubts.-NitinMlk (talk) 12:24, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Agreement from admin: as Sitush says, we shouldn't have those types of lists at all, NitinMlk. They're honeypots for promotion of self and others. Unfortunately they're impossible to delete, as too many people have a personal interest in keeping them. There's no way this one, for instance, is ever going to be useful. Bishonen | talk 14:51, 1 April 2016 (UTC).

I am, however, whittling it down quite dramatically. Simply because it is something I can do without having to engage too many brain cells. Alas, I wouldn't have to whittle at all if the contributors had engaged brain in the first place - people from Punjab is not the same as people of Punjabi ethnicity. - Sitush (talk) 14:55, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Sitush, thanks for your efforts! Without editors like you, Wikipedia will turn into a propaganda/gossip website. And, Bishonen, I understand it but my biggest concern was the incompetent Indian journalists who many times pick info from Wikipedia. And once that happen, the wrong info becomes a well-cited fact. BTW, it's amazing that editors like you two have put so much consistent efforts for the last one decade! I, on my part, will also try to put a wee bit effort. :) NitinMlk (talk) 17:51, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Need guidance regarding an article's title.

The title of the article - List of people from Punjab, India - clearly mentions Punjab, India. And there's a Wiki article regarding the Punjab, India. So, that's why I thought that the article shouldn't include the people from the whole region of the erstwhile Punjab Province (British India) - unless the article's title gets changed. In fact, I was thinking about finding citations regarding those people which are listed in that article. But now I am leaving that page for good. Just tell me what to do regarding the edits that I've already made on that page.-NitinMlk (talk) 14:22, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Don't panic! - Sitush (talk) 15:16, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Parmar

If you see anything added about this clan or Gadri, it's a sock relating to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gadri. I'm losing track of how many I've blocked. If I'm not around, tell another admin. Doug Weller talk 12:43, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

OK, Doug. Good spot. - Sitush (talk) 12:44, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

On the other hand, this may be a good faith editor (see my talk page), just clueless, and there does seem to be a Gadre cast.[1] - Want to create an article? Doug Weller talk 16:37, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

@Dough Weller: I'm not seeing much in the way of reliable sources. It is mostly regurgitated stuff from the Raj era. I'm sure the family exists but that doesn't satisfy GNG. I'm also cautious because I'm fairly sure I've seen Gadri as a alternate spelling for Gaderia some time in the past. - Sitush (talk) 17:58, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: repinging due to typo above. I've no idea if you are loaded money-wise or look like a sponge pudding, but I know you can use your loaf so perhaps that was a serendipitous typo? - Sitush (talk) 18:00, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)That ping didn't work. Second time in 3 days I've been called that. I was just hoping to get rid of the recurrent sock. One of your old sources[2] does indeed say that Gadria and Gardre are the same, a shepherd cast. Close to Gaderia. This[3] is recent and the snippet says "the Gadri are traditionally shepherds, but in Sadri they also farm (Chauhan 1967: 44). They may be compared with the Bharwad of Saurashtra, or possibly with the Rabari and Ahir." p.287 puts them level with the Jats.[4] On the list of backward classes and Gardaria has its own entry.[5] Doug Weller talk 18:14, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

The BC lists are notoriously muddled. Sometimes they list synonymous groups in one entry, sometimes across several. And that's only one reason why they are muddled. A Tambs-Lyche source has been challenged somewhere sometime in the past but I'll have to dig deep to remember where and why. I'll try to take a look at it tomorrow if I can get my brain into gear. - Sitush (talk) 19:25, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Halath (talk · contribs) has just recreated that awful Gadri article and is doing the usual See also links now. It wouldn't surprise me if Bardikhching (talk · contribs) is another. - Sitush (talk) 12:38, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, yes and yes. I'll be busy next week so you'll need to contact someone else if he comes back. Doug Weller talk 13:32, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Gadri sock

Blocked but I may have a mentor. Doug Weller talk 11:07, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I do have a mentor, we'll see if the new account accepts it. Doug Weller talk 11:11, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I am not sure a mentor would make any difference unless the master is prepared to edit in other areas. Honestly, Doug, I've looked into this and there really isn't a proper community called Gadri. It is just a generic DICDEF for people who herd sheep and, occasionally, cattle. Numerous communities have the name (and alternate spellings) applied to them from time to time. The best we could do is a disambig list and, frankly, I think that might attract more trouble than it is worth. We already have Category:Herding castes. - Sitush (talk) 11:14, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Mass Deletion in Chib

Please if you have problem with refs than please discuss it on talk page instead of mass deletion. I have improved refs. ThanksTyphoid1948 (talk) 16:35, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I have already opened at discussion at Talk:Chib, although it really isn't negotiable. You can't keep asking people to discuss and yet insist on your version without even participating there. - Sitush (talk) 16:37, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Re Tanoli

Dear Sitush, hello. I hope you are feeling better. Re your reversion of my two edits at Tanoli, in fact the note that Tanolis live in Afghanistan was wrong, they dont. It seems from the page that the references following this assertion says this but the fact is, both James W Spain and Prod Dani just mention that Tanolis live in Hazara area of NWFP/KPK. So, the statement was in essence a misrepresentation , i.e. someone trying to sneak in a line to cover with the already-cited references. I hope you see now why I removed the same. I have done so again, I hope you will be agreeable to this now. Im sorry I should have explained before. Many thanks. AsadUK200 (talk) 16:51, 21 April 2016 (UTC)AsadUK200

Request!

Hello, sitush, i am here in good faith, many people deleted my article about Gadri clan of jatts. I am new user of Wikipedia, and i am working on my article, and to give more better references, but Why administrators delete my article again and again? As i,m a new user, i,m also learning slowly. I want to reverse my article of Gadri. Please restore my article Gadri, i,m in good faith. _____________________________________ Fazul12345 (talk) 14:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Please read WP:SOCK. The Gadris appear not to meet our notability guideline and your repeated recreations of that article - using various titles and user accounts - are reliant on an absolute useless self-published source that quite probably you also created. It isn't going to happen. I think you would be better off finding some other hobby and/or writing about them elsewhere. - Sitush (talk) 14:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Dear Sitush, My edits on Garha page have been reverted by you? May I know the reason? The edits were factual because I am native of Uttar Pradesh, and I know the history. So, I request you to revert your action. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliaatif290 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Sitush. You have new messages at Talk:Kalita (caste)#Whether the article is about Kalita (caste) or Kayastha.
Message added 17:58, 2 May 2016 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Help needed on the article Kalita (caste) MahenSingha (Talk) 17:58, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

@Mahensingha: I have just taken a look at that talk page discussion and it seems that there is now no disagreement. I am not sure what it is you want me to do. - Sitush (talk) 20:17, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

It is OK, things are settled now. I had issues with fellow editor and hence asked for your opinion on a revert but the fellow editor himself resolved the issue. Anyway, Thanks for noticing the ping. Get well soon. Regards--MahenSingha (Talk) 08:51, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Re: Kalyal

Sorry but I'm not following you; any source from the British Raj, a period of almost 100 years in the history of the subcontinent is not considered reliable by Wikipedia?? When did Wikipedia decide that? I think you will find census records are a very good source of information. Also, please can you explain why 'newpakhistorian' is an unreliable source in the talk page and let the wikipedia community decide if you are right. Simply saying it is unreliable does not make it so. I am restoring the previous information until you can provide sufficient reason as to why it is unreliable. Please discuss this in the talk page and refrain from mass deletions as this goes against wikipedia editing guidelines.

As a further note, the only information I found disagreeable is that the Kalyal are a sub-clan of the Bhatti tribe which you have left and this is not referenced at all. I am leaving this for now to give you a chance to provide a reference for this. Thanks - Nutty 0-0 Professor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutty 0-0 Professor (talk • contribs) 03:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Raj sources are not reliable for history. This has been the consensus on Wikipedia for a long time now and we should refrain from using them. I can't do any more at the moment as I am preparing for a stay in hospital. - Sitush (talk) 09:19, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: Get well very soon and come back at the earliest.--MahenSingha (Talk) 17:39, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Gulia

Hi Sitush, seeing the notice from Bishonen I hope that you are recovering and in better health. I wanted to ask your opinion regarding the Gulia article. Would it be prudent to list this at WP:AFD, locate a suitable redirect target, or if there is a likelihood that it can be expanded upon from reliable sources? Kind regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 00:36, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

I tend to PROD non-notable clan articles. I've never heard of this one but haven't got the time to dig deeply for sources, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 06:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Edit removed from page Chatha

You have removed an edit from the page Chatha stating that last name doesn't verify association. What do you mean by that? Well if its that the last name does not prove association to a particular clan or caste than what else does? And I had added a reference to the official website of the Government that not only confirmed the notability of the person but also his family background which is welhere it is proved that the person belongs to the clan. Aisha2084 (talk) 10:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

See User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. It isn't really negotiable, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 11:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

For anyone who believes any Indian newspaper other than The Hindu, try this

See this ridiculousness. Honestly, The Hindu is pretty much the only decent newspaper in India nowadays. - Sitush (talk) 15:07, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

You've made my day, Sitush. Hilarious! A double edged sword for its protagonist, however. Would that political party want everyone and their uncle (including us) to know that they have their very own "Wikipedia team"? Dear Oh Dear. Voceditenore (talk) 16:18, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

SpacemanSpiff posted it on their page first. You might want to check the article subject's contribution history. - Sitush (talk) 16:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

I did. I assume a goodly proportion of those speedy deletes, AfDs, copyvios, and rejected drafts are articles about party members? Geesh! Voceditenore (talk) 16:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

This is more to do with a training institute for the Civil Services Examination than the AAP. The AAP angle is more self promo like the "rare invite to the prestigious Teahouse" stuff. I think I found that link somewhere earlier on but I seem to have lost it now. —SpacemanSpiff 17:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Roman Saini. —SpacemanSpiff 17:17, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

The city pages of most newspapers are filled with crap like this and I have a few pending COIN reports that require a lot of cleaning. And then there's this post on my talk page by the IP reg a fashion designer's article. I'm afraid to look at it as I think it might open up an even bigger Pandora's box. —SpacemanSpiff 16:34, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

This is so motivating. I'm going to put my head down, work hard, and maybe, one distant day, I'll be invited to join the prestigious Wikipedia Teahouse. It was just a dream but Shakthi's success shows me that the dream can come true. --regentspark (comment) 17:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Oh dear god. I never received an invite to the Teahouse either: I guess I must be doing something wrong. Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

[6] so much for the dreamboy... Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:24, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Yep, blocked for socking thanks to SpacemanSpiff bringing him to SPI [7]. I've struck the "keep" !vote and comment by his sock at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Swathi Lakra. I note that the same sock !voted "keep" at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ira Singhal, another article created by the sockmaster. It was closed as "no consensus", but ought to be re-run. In addition to the sock, there was also a "keep" from the SPA 124.123.63.6, and another "keep" !voter canvassed by that IP [8]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Voceditenore (talk • contribs) 08:38, 23 May 2016‎

(talk page stalker) India itself is madness. Be glad they can't reach you. HabaWow (talk) 21:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Ahem, Voceditenore, ""pings" won't work unless you sign your message in the same edit that added the ping." ;) I don't necessarily believe the AAP angle (like with all the other claims in the interview) but if it is true then this is possibly connected to Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/India Against Corruption sock-meatfarm. —SpacemanSpiff 02:31, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Alas, SpacemanSpiff, I am hoisted with my own petard :). I don't think this has anything to do with IAC. They would not be on a "team" supporting the AAP. Voceditenore (talk) 15:59, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Voceditenore, from what I recall of my interactions with the IAC sockfarm, they claim to represent the "original" IAC, which was supplanted by the populist movement in India a few years ago. They spent a fair amount of time adding negative information about members of this movement; so Sakthi Swaroop is highly unlikely to be a member of that particular group....Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

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Saint Thomas Christians

Hey Sitush, I recall last year we discussed overhauling Saint Thomas Christians, at least in part, to restore cited material that had been excised or misleadingly altered. Would you have any interest in taking that on? I've backed off doing any new work on Indian Christianity articles, as it's simply too frustrating and exhausting, but I would like to see that the work I and others have done already isn't totally lost to the retrograde changes and quality entropy that seem to be a particular plague to Indian topics.--Cúchullain ^t/c 03:07, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

I am still not well enough to take on anything big, sorry. I'm guessing it will be at least another three months. - Sitush (talk) 06:00, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

No worries, totally understandable. I'm not sure I'm willing to risk the headache yet either.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:37, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Kashi Math

Why are you reverting the edits? I have added contents to Kashi Math with valid references? Did you check? you are simply reverting to outdated version of the article

Sanatan2014 (talk) 08:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I am fed up of explaining to you why that content is mostly trivial. I have updated for the new head and that is all that is required. You are practically a single-purpose account and you have repeatedly made a mess of anything to do with that topic area across a range of articles. You need to stop because otherwise you are likely to be made to stop, per the sanctions notice that I have just placed on your talk page. - Sitush (talk) 08:04, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

My Account is not any single-purpose account . Just check the contributions which i have made. Whenever I update the latest changes with valid references, you are simply reverting without discussing. Sanatan2014 (talk) 08:09, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Sure, you edit politics stuff also but you are just about the only contributor to articles relating to Kashi Math. You don't understand WP:HONORIFIC / WP:NCIN, you don't understand copyright, you don't understand what is and is not encyclopaedic, and you either do not understand WP:V or you are incorrectly citing your sources because a lot of the stuff isn't sourced. I agree that I haven't discussed in much detail until now - it really shouldn't be necessary because you clearly can read edit histories (that's how you keep reverting etc). There is a note on the article talk page now but I can guarantee you are not going to get consensus for that whopping big change. - Sitush (talk) 08:13, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Removal of Category Haryana Politicians for Yogendra yadav page

This is regarding your recent edit on Yogendra Yadav's page. IMO the category Haryana Politicians should not be removed , since he was MP candidate from Gurgaon, and also keeps on commenting on local Haryana Issues in public space. Recent being SYL canal issue. In fact there are other redundant categories like Aam Aadmi Party politicians that may be removed ChunnuBhai (talk) 09:51, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

He was a member of the AAP National Executive. Perhaps he does comment about Haryana issues but I couldn't see that in the article, nor could I see where he was elected to any Haryana political body or by any Haryana constituency. - Sitush (talk) 09:52, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Bind tribe

Today I came across Bind tribe article which was created by WALTHAM2 (talk · contribs · count), who was also more or less the sole contributor to it. Once he became inactive, this article got vandalized. I reverted the current vandalized version to an older revision, which may or may not be the best revision. Please have a look at the article whenever you get some spare time. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:30, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Alas, if WALTHAM2 is the major contributor then it will almost certainly comprise mostly unacceptable material. They're inactive now, aside from popping in to remove PROD notices etc from their talk page. They've set up their own blog to promote their view of things, which differs widely from that which Wikipedia accepts.

I'll take a look at the article later. - Sitush (talk) 20:34, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Yep, it's a mess. WALTHAM2 has used the pretty much unreliable "states series" of The People of India. Those books are politicised, inconsistent and plagiarised from Raj sources - they've been discussed at WP:RSN in the past. I am inclined to stub it but will see if someone else picks it up first. - Sitush (talk) 21:03, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

regarding castes pages edited by you

We got migrated from Pakistan during partition in 1947 in India. Before that we were a highly notable cast , Rajput. Many other clans also got migrated i.e Sikhs, Khatri, Brahmins. But due to some circumstances. We lost our history. So please share some information about the migrated castes. Ravinder.panwar7 (talk) 03:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, which community are you referring to when you say "we"? We can only include statements where we have reliable sources that enable verification of what we say. There are certainly quite a few caste articles where information relating to the Partition migrations does appear, although I can't name any off the top of my head. - Sitush (talk) 07:59, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

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Satyanarayan puja

Hello Sitush, I would appreciate it if you can have look at this article Satyanarayan Puja. I recently added sourced information that said that in Bengal, Satya Narayan and Satya Pir puja were related. Another editor reverted that edit, citing that the reference I had used was from a book published 100 years ago. Let me know you thoughts on the matter and also Wikipedia policy on the use of "outdated material". BTW, most of the article is a total mess with very few references.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:00, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Not usually a good idea to use sources from a century ago. WP:HISTRS might be useful but, in any event, if nothing more recent can be found then it probably isn't worth noting. - Sitush (talk) 17:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Sitush. I will search for a more recent reference.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:52, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Information regarding Sanadhya Bramhin

Hello Sitush,

I would appreciate if following information appears on Wikipedia in Sandhya Bramhin page. if you want you can search and verify the information. Before this I have tried to upload this information but you have removed it. Please do the needful. For any clarification please mail me. Email vivek.budhauliya@gmail.com

"Many surnames fall under this category like Mishra, Budhauliya, Thapak, Dubey, Chaubey Sharma etc. However out of these some surnames also falls under some other subcateories of Bramhin but it has been observed in a survey that Budhauliya and Thapak these surnames are found in Sanadhya Bramhin only."

For evidence you can refer following links:- https://www.facebook.com/SanadyaBrahmin/posts/390572991038073 http://www.liquisearch.com/sanadhya_brahmin/surnames_of_sanadhyas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.127.9.104 (talk) 14:47, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.127.9.104 (talk) 14:43, 6 July 2016 (UTC) 

Please see WP:RS. - Sitush (talk) 07:05, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Jat subsection

This subsection has a statement or a POV by one author, Khushwant Singh. This makes his views as the final say on the community's religious beliefs. Shouldn't it be removed as it is misleading. This subsection should only the carry the major religious division among the population and if possible their numbers. Barthateslisa (talk) 07:02, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

What did I just tell you on your talk page? I most likely won't be around to deal with it but you're doing this at the wrong venue. FWIW, we do say that it is his opinion, so it isn't a big deal. - Sitush (talk) 07:05, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Ranvir sena

Greetings, Sitush, hope you're doing okay health-wise. There seems to be a lot of caste-related stuff at Ranvir Sena, and I was wondering if you could take a look at it when you have the time/inclination. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:53, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Re: trouble

"Continuing to argue about it is just going to bring a ton of trouble." - just wondering what kind of trouble. Furry-friend (talk) 17:51, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

See WP:TE, for starters. Please, take NeilN's advice and mine: drop this and get back to building the encyclopaedia. - Sitush (talk) 17:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

I notice that other people have said the same thing on your talk page. - Sitush (talk) 18:01, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

This seems like good advice. Furry-friend (talk) 18:36, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Messy articles

I came across three articles, namely Duggal, Taneja, and Dhadwal. All of three are just filled with unsourced content. Please have a look at them. - NitinMlk (talk) 14:43, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination

I can assure you that the sources used are genuine (I have all the books listed as references) but I can see your point that parts of the two articles in question are similar to the website. I will rewrite in due course. ThanksRacingmanager (talk) 14:02, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

@Racingmanager: It isn't just those two. It is practically every article you have created on the subject, which is a lot. You will either have to work very hard and very fast or the things will be deleted because we cannot hang around with copyright matters. That doesn't stop you recreating a valid article at a future date, of course, but you probably will find yourself under rather more scrutiny for a while, purely in the interests of maintaining the integrity of this project. - Sitush (talk) 14:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Pretty much every article in {{Greyhound_stadiums_in_Great_Britain}} has copy/pastes from the greyhoundracinghistory.co.uk website. Spot checks suggest the same applies to the articles in {{English_Greyhound_Derby}}. Where else might you have done this? It is a big clean-up job and I noticed that you've also worked on cricket articles etc, so presumably it is possible you have done something similar with those. I may have to refer this to WP:CCI. - Sitush (talk) 00:03, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination

I actually own the greyhoundracinghistory.co.uk website (years of sourcing and work I might add) where all of the mentioned content has been sourced from. I will look into the option of using the (Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials) so that the articles that I have created are not deleted.Racingmanager (talk) 11:00, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I doubt that would work because the various pages on the site are not footnoted etc and it will fail WP:SPS - it is just you writing. Even if it did work, you'd still have to rewrite practically every article because the tone is highly inappropriate for an encyclopaedia. You might want to clarify these issues before donating your considerable research etc. - Sitush (talk) 11:59, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination

Just to let you know that I have put a copyright notice on the website homepage.Racingmanager (talk) 18:50, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Harvey Karp

the used picture is by karp himself, has no date, ist purely adervtisement — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. bobby (talk • contribs) 09:29, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

So what? He has given permission for us to use it and it is far superior to your replacement. You are ripping into that article in a manner that makes me think you might have some animosity towards the guy. Please don't let it go so far as to affect even which photograph is used. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 09:35, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

the whole article was advertisment. the portrait picture IS advertisement. such an article has nothing to do with an encyclopedia. i do not rip encyclopedic parts, but simple advertisement. i do not know it here are other articles in WP which use such a kind of photograph. and you yourself corrected many wrong or extremely exaggerated statements by adorers of Karp (or simply himself). Mr. bobby (talk) 09:40, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

How is it an advert? It is just a photo of the guy. It doesn't even have a copy of his book in the thing. - Sitush (talk) 09:45, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

So use google. Exactly this pic is on every book and product of Karp. This photoshopped pic is used everywhere in teh net. The article is abusing the aims of an encyclopedia. All too obvious! The pic is not "more informative" but more misleading. The other pic is a realistic photograph of a speech with a date (2007). So your assertion "more informative" is wrong. Sorry. Mr. bobby (talk) 09:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

That it is used on his books is not a reason to delete it. Dammit, we use actual copies of book covers, music album covers etc. So, go get consensus to replace the long-extant image with your preferred version. - Sitush (talk) 09:56, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

I replaced it by a more realistic piture. You have another opinion. To me it is much more important to get these exaggerations and advertisement aspects in the text deleted. Mr. bobby (talk) 10:02, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Native American name

That's a sock of Til Eulenspiegel, or rather both IPs are. I'm seeing if someone else will deal with it as I've dealt with it once, and someone else should OS the edit summary. You can revert as often as you like, socks can't edit. Doug Weller talk 11:27, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

You need to get that article semi'd. Pointless me continuing to revert. - Sitush (talk) 11:32, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Dilip Kumar

• dilip kumar sorry I'm new I assumed that the actors own entry states he is Awan in his early life section? How do I add citation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Q3cctv (talk • contribs) 22:53, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

@Q3cctv: hi, and don't worry about making mistakes. We're all new here once. I took a look at the Dilip Kumar article but unfortunately the two citations that were there do not show him self-identifying as a member of the Awan community. We need self-identification of things like caste/tribe and religion when a person is still living because it could impact on their life. I've removed the statement from the Kumar article because of this. I made some notes about the issue at User:Sitush/Common#Castelists - they may be useful to you or maybe just very confusing given your new-ness!

When you do come across something you want to cite then just drop me a line here and I'll help you if you need it. - Sitush (talk) 23:05, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

http://tribune.com.pk/story/805375/the-king-of-tragedy-dilip-kumars-92nd-birthday-celebrated-in-the-city/

Here is article from tribune paper — Preceding unsigned comment added by Q3cctv (talk • contribs) 23:10, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that but cannot see where it shows him self-identifying as an Awan. - Sitush (talk) 23:43, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Paul Twitchell page query

HI,

ps: I now see many info/guide links in the wiki greeting emails - and understand why scribd googledocs are not ok. i will look at inline citations info and may try again. it doesn't look easy.

Still, I don't understand why a few ref edits were undone or why this below isn't ok as a ref?

(October 23, 1909* - September 17, 1971) *

it's a credible source for the dob, in mid-1920s. or should I reference from the actual book itself ?? How do i get this info into the page properly? or does one need to explain every dob variation too?

from a year ago "How can I discuss issues and provision of verifiable references with Soham321 & Sitush for this page - I have no wiki exp in editing TY) "

it's a little confusing ... is there a guide?

How does one provide a ref and this quote by the author Lane who saw the letter, and the book in which it is found?

It verifies what the citation notice was asking for. ie Twitchell also suggested that he never spiritually benefited from his connection with Singh.[citation needed]

"I have never recognized you as a master, or that you give initiations, and that your work is not in the best interest of spirituality. Your teachings are orthodox, and as a preacher you are not capable of assisting anyone spiritually." -- Paul Twitchell, September 9, 1971 (Personal letter to Kirpal Singh of Delhi, India)

I don't know why this was undone? can you please explain how to fix this 'information' so it's acceptable for wiki?

thanks

@Santimvah: I am sorry for not replying earlier - I saw your note and then felt rather unwell and forgot about it. I was mostly concerned about the links to scribd etc, which you now understand are problematic. I am not sure that using the Twitchell genealogy from 1929 really helps because the article clearly states that there are numerous accounts and it would be wrong to assume that one is somehow more authoritative than the others. Beyond that, you know as much as I do and I see no reason why you cannot say what you wanted to say. (Your citation style above, by the way, is fine - well done.) - Sitush (talk) 00:27, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

References

Dulla Bhatti

Hi I am Tahir. This is regarding the correction that I made on Dulla Bhatti which was reverted by you. Please read that page carefully and you will get the answer. Dulla Bhatti Grand father was Sandal and the area where he lived is called Sandal Bar. Pindi Bhattian is far away and not even existed at the time of Dulla Bhatti. If you don't have any information on the subject please just don't revert the changes jest sake of advanture. --Tahir Mahmood (talk) 07:54, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Read p 120 of the source. - Sitush (talk) 07:58, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Regarding deletion of Panyam Vuppu Vanaja Bai page

Why do you want to delete this page.This content provided in that page is accurate and exact provided from the book provided.Please don't delete that page she deserve it.She is very powerful politician in that area.she did many good things.She donated her land to government to build Hospital.She also donated her land to build Government igh school of Panyam which has an extent of 9 Acres.I'll will add more content after gaining proper evidence as per wiki standards.but the content provided upto now is correct you can also go nd check the book from the link i provided in that page.

Thank You and hope you'll understand me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arpvr (talk • contribs) 19:12, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

See the AfD. - Sitush (talk) 19:14, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Doing things like this is not going to help matters. Let the deletion discussions take their course, please. - Sitush (talk) 00:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Greyhound Articles

What is you problem, I already told you that I would clean up the wording in the other articles? Look at the two latest articles and the sources before making uneducated comments about them. Where do you think the information for the website came from in the first place, do you think it is all a Walter Mitty fantasy? You clearly don't know anything about the subject matter so now you revert to stalking my comments on my talk page. As for suggesting that you are looking to recommend me for blocking; this is insulting, what is your objective here? Is it to deprive wikipedia of important information so that you can feed your ego by attempting to bully a user.Racingmanager (talk) 21:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

You are supposed to be cleaning them up before you add yet more crap in new articles. Instead, you are flooding the place and your sandbox with the latter. Clean the extant ones up, find a format that complies with our policies and then move on. Otherwise, you are just creating more work for yourself in the long run and, worse, probably for everyone else. - Sitush (talk) 22:09, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

You are basically on a mission to dump your entire website on to Wikipedia and you're causing a lot of problems in the process. There are times when it is justified to assume bad faith and while I didn't think this was the case at first - you were just massively misguided - I am definitely moving towards that opinioni now. And that would be a matter for WP:ANI unless you clean up both your act and your articles. - Sitush (talk) 22:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Until I copyedited just now, you were still arguably making copyright violations in your very latest article. Eg: this website includes the words The first Greyhound Derby final was held at the White City on 1st October 1927. It was run over 500 yards and was won by Entry Badge, a brindled dog weighing 66 lbs, trained by J. Harmon and owned by Mr E. Baxter, who won the race by six lengths from Ever Bright, in a time of 29.01. compared to your version here. God only knows why you think that site was a reliable source anyway, and I really do suspect pretty much everything comes from this book.

By the way, definite copy problems aside, there is also an awful lot of confusion in what you wrote at that article and I have only been able to address some of it. I have left some tags.

I think the problem is that your own personal website is chock-full of copyright violations and you're not addressing those when you copy/paste from it. It isn't good enough. I am pinging Diannaa. - Sitush (talk) 22:44, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

And now I have just had to remove this because the source says nothing of the sort. This is what happens when you try to reverse engineer a website. What the source says is Mr E. Baxter's greyhound Entry Badge won the "Dog Derby" at the White City on Saturday night. - Sitush (talk) 23:03, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

You know absolutely nothing about this subject. As previously said, go and research the material. I suggest that you spend the next few weeks of your life researching it before commenting further.Racingmanager (talk) 22:56, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

I have just researched some (see above) and you got it wrong. - Sitush (talk) 23:04, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

No. My apologies for that bit - removed the wrong cite. Getting wound up by your antics now. - Sitush (talk) 23:07, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

The copyright issue from the website http://www.greyhoundracinghistory.co.uk/ has been resolved, as there's now a declaration on the page that the contents, including the pdfs, are released under a compatible license. I have no comment as to whether or not this website is a reliable source and I don't have time to research it as I am super busy woth copyvio clean-up. Racingmanager, regardless of the copyright issue, we normally don't cite our own research or copy-paste from our own website to this one. — Diannaa (talk) 23:22, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

No. This is another website, Diannaa. - Sitush (talk) 23:23, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

And now I have removed the bit I intended to remove. You cannot misrepresent sources like that. - Sitush (talk) 23:22, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

If you could tell me which article I am supposed to be comparing with which website that would help a lot. Thanks, — Diannaa (talk) 23:26, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

It is in the message where I first pinged you at 22:44. We're comparing greyhoundderby.com to a diff of 1927 English Greyhound Derby (as bolded above). Yes, I fixed the problem but this is further evidence that we may be dealing with a serial copyviolater who still doesn't get it. Either they have copied from greyhoundderby.com or that site has copied from Racingmanager's greyhoundracinghistory.co.uk and Racingmanager has attributed to greyhoundderby.com as some form of obfuscation. - Sitush (talk) 23:31, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, this is not helped by Racingmanager buggering about with my own talk page. They've refactored some of my messages. - Sitush (talk) 23:34, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Comparing revision 732140547 to the source website http://www.greyhoundracinghistory.co.uk/1927.pdf is a match; there's a pretty much complete overlap in the "Competition Report" section. But greyhoundracinghistory.co.uk is the website that's released under a compatible license. HOWEVER, comparing with http://www.greyhoundderby.com/1927-greyhoundderby.htm also is a match though, and the Wayback Machine shows they have had the content since 2006. This kinda throws all the material at greyhoundracinghistory.co.uk under suspicion as being potentially copied from other sources. — Diannaa (talk) 00:17, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Alreja

Nobody ever cited a source in it since its creation in 2005. Please have a look at it. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:54, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

If you can't find appropriate sources then nominate it for deletion. We cannot redirect something when we cannot even be sure that it exists etc. - Sitush (talk) 00:29, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

1927 English Greyhound Derby

@Diannaa: Dear Satish, I wonder if you can answer these questions.

• 1 Why did you revert the two clarifications that I added to the 1927 English Greyhound Derby two clarification tags?
• 2 Why did you continually delete the Barrie Dack book source even when I added a page number and have you got a copy of this book, because if you have look at page 54 to confirm that I have put the report in my own words?
• 3 Why do you keep harassing me and leaving warning messages on my talkpage?Racingmanager (talk) 23:48, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

I have sent this entire issue to ANI because, despite your 10,000 or so contributions, you are still not getting it. - Sitush (talk) 00:16, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

I have added commentsRacingmanager (talk) 00:27, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Can you please have a look at the Administrator page and provide feedback if necessary. Many thanks.Racingmanager (talk) 12:45, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

I have been editing here and doing other stuff for more or less 24 hours now. I'm taking a break. ANI is permanently on my watchlist but it is better that I let others comment for now. The information is there, more or less, and the community can decide on the best way forward. If they need any more info or just plain elucidation of the very convoluted goings-on then, like you, I'm afraid they'll have to wait a few hours. I need some zzzzzs. - Sitush (talk) 13:04, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Ani

I'm so glad to know I'm not the only one who does that....fat fingers are frequently fat and fumbley. It's nice to know I'm not alone. Have a great day or night or whatever applies in your part of the world. John from Idegon (talk) 08:46, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Gadaria

I just redirected Gadri (clan) to this page and added some possible sources to the talk page. I expect problems. Doug Weller talk 10:22, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I didn't like it either but it was handy, not a big excuse. But there are plenty of sources on the talk page. Gadri was indeed deleted but Gadaria wasn't, and they seem to be the same. Although some bring in Pal or Yadav as the same. In any case, several good modern sources. Although whether some of the more modern sources use Russell as their source for etymology I don't know. Doug Weller talk 20:32, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I will sort it out, if it is capable of being fixed. Not very well again at the moment. We've got to be careful not to construct an article based on passing mentions in lists that are notoriously politicised and ambiguous. Eg: the OBC lists have seen > 1200 changes since their introduction and are in a constant state of flux. - Sitush (talk) 02:43, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

NB - loads of communities are broadly Yadav because that is an umbrella term. - Sitush (talk) 02:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

khatril

Dear Sitush, i will followup to locate more sources on this clan (Khatril). In the meantime as you can see that i have given references of two books, and these references (Books) are used in multiple clans in wikipedia so i request that this article should not be recommended for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yasir Yousaf (talk • contribs) 07:30, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

You need to discuss this at the AfD page listed at the top of the Khatril article. Please note that Raj sources, such as those you have used, are not considered reliable for Wikipedia. That other articles may use them merely indicates that we have some cleaning up to do - it is a long job because a couple of misguided contributors created an awful lot of articles based upon them. - Sitush (talk) 07:40, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Banjara

Please read the blow line and references that Banjaras are Rajputs, i need to add it in the Banjara Page. plz., Help.

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They are one among the Agnivansha's of Rajput dynasty.

These are so called "Self published sources". All the above sources are caste promotional websites, hence are not reliable at all.--MahenSingha (Talk) 17:42, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Mahensingha is correct. The puffery etc of caste-affiliated sources is so great that none of them can ever be considered reliable. - Sitush (talk) 23:37, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

References

Babburkamme

Since it was not a BLP, I reverted your removal of almost the entire content, because there do seem to be sources. If they are not adequate, the appropriate thing is to look for better. DGG ( talk ) 06:48, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Bollocks. You don't know what you are talking about and I am increasingly fed up of you making these decisions which, invariably, have been overturned at AfD. - Sitush (talk) 09:51, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I can't believe an arbitrator would reinstate BLP violations, mirrors and web discussion forums. Give me one reason why I should consider you to have sound judgement regarding this. - Sitush (talk) 10:11, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Should this article exist at all? The single reference contains three sentences that refer to the Babburkamme and all three merely include the sect in a list of Brahmin communities that serve the Sringeri Matha. Ideally, we should just include the sect in a List of Brahmin Subsects or somesuch and be done with it. --regentspark (comment) 22:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

No, it should not exist. But I am fed up of having to deal with DGG's utter incompetence in this topic area. I provided that source and, yes, at best a redirect might apply. I know DGG, like all of the regulars, has a lot of things to do and not enough time etc, but it is incredibly frustrating to keep butting heads like this. I did nothing wrong and he did. That an arb tramples so blatantly over fundamental policies is very disheartening. - Sitush (talk) 23:33, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I must admit that I did make one mistake here. The version I reverted to did contain a section on notable people, some of them still living. I should not have restored that part without sources, and I apologize for working too fast to notice. I should have gone back to check my work. I do not see this as "trampling over fundamental policy" Otherwise, I deprecate the practice of removing content instead of using AfD. I am not an expert, but this and other similar articles seem detailed enough and plausible enough they I have never seen why they are regarded as fiction or why they should be unsourceable. However, I do not have the language ability to find the necessary sources myself, so all I can do is suggest that people look further. If those who do know the languages tell me there is nothing usable even in print, I can not myself check whether they are right. But the place to conclude something is unsourcable is AfD.

DGG, there very well may be sources in other languages but all I can find using google are wikipedia mirrors and not reliable websites. Absent sources, it is hard to make a judgement of what is factual, what is exaggeration, and what is simply not true. There is an unfortunate tendency amongst in-sect people to attempt to raise the profile of their own sect and that's why we need independent verification of statements like: "the principal profession was priesthood"; "Babburkammes are known for their literary abilities". Additionally, much of what is said about one group of Brahmins can easily be said for all Brahmins and, more often than not, there really is no need for an article on each microcosmic group when a simple List of subsects of XYZ would do the trick. --regentspark (comment) 20:33, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Sitush, please enlighten me: is there some motive I do not understand behind the creation of these articles that makes them suspect? DGG ( talk ) 18:51, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Caste nowadays (and perhaps always) is all about socio-economic status. The number of such communities and their composition changes by processes of fusion and fission, often appearing out of nowhere with fabricated myths of origin etc and then disappearing again. Often, the only documentation regarding them comes from the self-styled members, either directly or via intermediaries who arguably should know better (notably, the so-called ethnographers of the British Raj era). Wikipedia is the new proving ground for caste claims, the new way to legitimise a group for the furtherance of their aims - get an article here, then go to the government and ask for socio-economic help etc or try to assert that because of "high status" the group can exert (illegal) control over others. It is invidious and we should not be enabling it, so V and RS are utterly essential for pretty much every statement. So, you not only missed the BLP but, as is common with you in this area, placed far too much emphasis on AGF and far too little on V. Puffery, in particular, abounds.

There were officially ca. 1200 "caste" communities identified in 1901 and ca 4400 in the 1990s. Yet some came and went within a decade, as evidence by census returns etc: people claimed one thing on one occasion, then decided to be something else on the next. Go figure. You might find Census of India prior to independence to be a useful primer, even though not specifically related to the matter at hand. Then again, you could throw some AGF in my direction, where it is far more likely to be correct - every other regular contributor seems to do so. - Sitush (talk) 23:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

IABM page

Hi

I would like to know why you have removed all of the IABM content that was added, in your message, you state that this is "regurgitated press releases" and that due to my proximity to the company, I shouldnt be adding this content.

I would refute both of these frankly absurd comments as 1) by working for IABM that makes me a lot better informed than yourself about the history of the Association (history which is publicly available here <ref>https://issuu.com/iabm/docs/iabm_40_years?e=18770765/34251534<ref> 2) Which regurgitated press releases were included on the page?

Surely the point of an online encyclopedia is to tell the history of a product, company, association or service which is what the content that was added on the IABM (previously International Association of Broadcast Manufacturers) page.

By not including this information, you have basically made it a pointless page which whilst this may fit into your logic, fails to provide useful information to a user of Wikipedia.

You can contact me directly at ben.dales@theiabm.org so we can discuss this further as I will be taking this further with Wikipedia as I find your reasoning for the deletions unacceptable.

Bendales (talk) 11:35, 16 August 2016 (UTC)Ben Dales — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bendales (talk • contribs) 10:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

I had already mentioned WP:COI. It was also excessively promotional and the only sources were the organisation itself/press releases thereof. Like I said, it needs independent sources to verify notability etc - see WP:V, WP:RS, WP:SPS and WP:GNG. I've got little doubt that the thing probably is notable (even if "International" might be in the sense of "World Series" rather than truly international) but major concerns about how you were using Wikipedia to promote it. - Sitush (talk) 12:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

August 2016

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Words like these that you used for me or these that you used to address me in the edit-summary were uncalled for. —TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ^ʞlɐʇ 23:13, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, you ignore my self revert there and are just retaliating for this. Now go away: you're nothing but trouble. - Sitush (talk) 23:14, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Sir, I would have gladly honored your self-revert, but the 'flowery' wording that you had used for me while executing the self-revert was the second instance of a personal attack which had to be brought into your notice.

As for the "retaliation", well sir, if you'd note the time stamp on your edit at my talk and mines at yours, they were done only 2 minutes apart, and I cant possibly read your edits/edit summary which contained the personal attack towards me at Kuatilya's talk while citing the same in your warning within the given time frame. So, I was unaware of your threat that you had given me at my talk while I was formatting this warning. So no, it wasnt retaliatory. If you any other issues, I'll be glad to discuss at the appropriate Notice Boards. Thanks.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ^ʞlɐʇ 23:29, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

You're slow, fine. But I asked you to go away. You are utterly incapable of editing neutrally or of understanding our policies etc and I am not going to be pulled into an Arbcom case or similar by nationalist contributors of any hue. My comment at Kautilya's talk was not a personal attack, nor was my comment at your talk a threat. - Sitush (talk) 23:33, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for making a mistake while typing your user-name. I assure you that he was a genuine mistake and wont be repeated—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ^ʞlɐʇ 05:01, 17 August 2016 (UTC).

Punjab edit-a-thon result

As you are a prominent member of WikiProject India, I am inviting your opinion here. --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

AfD nomination by you

• Hello Sitush, this was an excellent nomination by you. Cheers, Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 14:50, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia

Wikipedia is expected to produce reliable source of knowledge. Unfortunately Sitush seems to promote certain castes and bring ill-repute to some castes. For example for the castes found in Tamilnadu, the material available in English does not reflect the reality. The authentic source is Sangam literature and one needs to understand how the "caste" system worked in the Dravidian world. it is not the same as in "Aryan" world. I am not sure if this user SITUSH knows how to read Tamil. I wish that this user SITUSH stops the following: 1. Providing wrong information to the public 2. Writing ill about some castes 3. Patronising some castes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.155.19.47 (talk) 18:53, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

History of the Welch Regiment

Hi Sitush. Do you have a physical copy of this book? The History of The Welch Regiment, 1919-1951 by C. E. N. Lomax and John De Courcy (Western Mail & Echo, 1952)? I'm asking because you added a reference to it here and I've raised a query about Welch Regiment War Memorial which you can see here. Sources differ on the unveiling date and the unveiler for the memorial. Would you be able to help? Carcharoth (talk) 12:12, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

@Carcharoth: sorry for the delay, I've not been well again. I'm afraid I do not have a copy of the book. - Sitush (talk) 15:03, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Zenji Nio

I hope you are feeling better. I just noticed the page Zenji Nio created by a user User:Dharmapress. There's a lot about the page that reminds me of Buddhakahika. What seals it for me is that photo searches of Zen Acharya, the figure promoted by Buddhakahika in early edits (such as the article about the film Karma: The New Revolution that led me to initiate an SPI on that user), seem to show a person who looks exactly like Zenji Nio. (See http://www.meetup.com/IONS-Ontario/events/224654084/ vs. http://www.pluralism.me/#!zenji/c15dt ; or Zenji Nio's websites, links to which are blocked on Wikipedia). I was hoping to get your opinion before initiating a new SPI. Michitaro (talk) 02:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't have the tells that I usually associate with Buddhakahika. Others might think differently. - Sitush (talk) 02:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Brahmin

Greetings, The Sitush! I'll gladly remove the personalising and clueless sections here and here if you wish. In fact I started to, but then I figured, maybe better leave them, to illustrate what you have to deal with, as well as the reasons for the long-time semi. Thoughts? Bishonen | talk 09:48, 2 September 2016 (UTC).

They can stay, thanks. I've had much worse. - Sitush (talk) 12:14, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Jasgam

Dear Sitush, i acknowledge your action of removing Wikeley and H A Rose and thank you for this. Actually till now these were the only two books i could locate on web containing the jasgam information. I myself belong to this tribe and am in search/hunt of any reliable sources. Can you help / guide me to locate any reliable info on my tribe (Jasgam) sometimes pronounced as Jaskham? i'll be grateful if u can be of some help to me. Yasir Yousaf (talk) 16:50, 4 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yasir Yousaf (talk • contribs) 16:46, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate the frustration but I, too, have been unable to find anything that would satisfy WP:GNG. - Sitush (talk) 18:23, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Daitya and sock content

Re this. I realise the contributor has now been banned but is there anything problematic specifically with this text? I've checked a couple of the references given and the text seemed faithful to them. Of course, the whole text would have needed rewriting to weed out the unencyclopedic bits, but that's a different problem, isn't it? Uanfala (talk) 14:32, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Buddhakahika regularly synthesises, uses unreliable sources etc. We revert on sight except where they have just made grammatical/wikilink etc changes. It is pointless checking "a couple of references" - you're free to reinstate if you check them all and if you ensure that you have got the context correct. The guy is notorious. - Sitush (talk) 14:36, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

It isn't just me that does this, by the way. Eg: Kautlya, Ms Sarah Welch, RegentsPark, Redtigerxyz, Utcursch ... The list goes on as those are just from August. These socks are a complete nuisance. - Sitush (talk) 15:00, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Yep. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:12, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

I see. Well, I guess it's a pity that such a prolific editor couldn't be taught to contribute more sensibly. Uanfala (talk) 18:49, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

You say that almost as if you think it is our fault. It isn't: it is what happens when someone wants to push a POV. - Sitush (talk) 18:56, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that. Is it POV? I thought it was down to reckless research. Uanfala (talk) 19:07, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Probably was/is reckless sometimes but they have a definite POV relating to insertion of Buddhist stuff, things relating to Brahmanism and obscure saints etc. Honestly, I think they sometimes make it up (including the alleged sources). I'm a cynic, though: it becomes tiresome dealing with stuff like this day in, day out. - Sitush (talk) 19:54, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for cleaning up and "British-izing" the article about Roly Bain. I just can't help writing like an American, even when I try! 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 20:53, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

No big deal. Nice article! I'm pretty sure I have the correct St Paul's school, in which case there is a category for alumni. Too busy arguing elsewhere at the moment and feel like perhaps a trip to the pub might be in order! - Sitush (talk) 20:54, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Proposal_for_election_of_coordinators_for_the_project

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Proposal_for_election_of_coordinators_for_the_project. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 14:17, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Kumaoni people

Dear Sitush, I have added enough references in 'Kumaoni people' on the current status of the Kumaoni people. I have already given some details, though it is only a sketchy, giving the surnames. If you allow me to proceed, I can enrich the article, otherwise I wont bother much about it. I am myself a Kumaoni. Vkjoshi123

You have been adding unsourced information and you don't get a free ride because you have also added some that is sourced. - Sitush (talk) 13:48, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

verification

Why you are repeatedly deleting or redirecting my page Samy nilakkilar (talk) 14:11, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

It isn't your page. I did ask you to take a look at WP:V - see my note at User talk:Samy nilakkilar. That article had been lacking any sort of reliable source for years and someone recently decided to redirect it to the Tamil Nadu article because of that. You are welcome to remove the redirect but only if you supply sourced statements. As it happens, I would have asked for the thing to be deleted entirely rather than be redirected, so perhaps the outcome is not as bad as you fear. - Sitush (talk) 14:37, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Is any lurking admin willing to step in here?

Is any lurking admin willing to step in at User talk:Sunny singh shera? Repeated BLP violations and no sign that they're willing to talk. - Sitush (talk) 16:17, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Resolved. Thanks, Drmies, whether you saw the above or not. - Sitush (talk) 16:29, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

• I did. I was IP slumming while my poor students were taking a phonetics test. Drmies (talk) 17:35, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

IP slamming? What's that? Google translate fails here. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:56, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Slumming not slamming. I would imagine it means he was logged in as an IP rather than under his user name. Richerman (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Oswal

Makes me slightly ill just to look at it.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:40, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Bbb23 you should feel better now. I missed that mess - it is on my watchlist but I think I may have been inactive at the time. - Sitush (talk) 18:06, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

The speed with which you fixed it was impressive.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:26, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Drogheda

I agree the article is in poor shape and I am editing it to improve it. thank you for you help. However, you are a tad trigger happy reverting some things. T K Whitker for example is widely considered a citizen of Drogheda and is a freeman of the town. From 6 years to at least 21 years warrants calling him a noted citizen. I am not sure what is considered being a citizen of anywhere, but if you live somewhere or you residence somewhere has been of enough interest to have been mentioned in a public forum or interview it is fair to include it here. Courtney Love is a good example, the fact she lived in Drogheda , albeit for a short time, is so improbable that it was mentioned in several interviews on TV and in the irish times and Irish Independent … as such she merits inclusion . Shane Horgan is dubious being from Bellewstown. Not sure of wiki rules for inclusion but I see the New York page includes people who are famous but came to reside there. Tommyxx (talk) 11:05, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

If Love only lived there briefly then she should not be in the list. I don't give a crap how many people mention it. - Sitush (talk) 11:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

107... IP

107.77.213.167 that you reverted[9] seems to be a deluded editor editing from California who believes that he is part of the Musahiban family who are the Afghan Royal Family working closely with the Mossad and Israel. See my comments here. If you seen any on that range doing these odd edits, revert them. Doug Weller talk 12:47, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Ok. You come across some weird shit! Mind, the only edit that specific IP did recently is the one I reverted and it was a fairly routine POV - RS issue. Not an odd edit, as such. - Sitush (talk) 14:15, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

List of Dalits

Hi, get well soon. In case you make a comeback with time to spare, can you please take a look at this page, List of Dalits. I don't think it fulfills the standards of Wikipedia. People added on the page seems to be a POV or assertions, not sourced backed facts. Barthateslisa (talk) 18:21, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

I had noticed that. I've left a note on the talk page. I've been awake for something like 20 hours now and need some sleep. - Sitush (talk) 20:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Question

Can you make heads or tails of this: Template:Tony Fate? Seems to have something to do with Eric Leach, which I saw that you had edited last month. I'm not particularly well-versed in moving/redirecting pages, but it seems to me we should probably have the page named "Tony Fate" have this content and delete the "Template:Tony Fate." Does that sound right to you? Feel free to ignore as well :) Safehaven86 (talk) 14:54, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Mine was a gnoming edit. I have no knowledge regarding the sort of walled garden of articles surrounding the article. I've just taken another look at it though and, frankly, I'm surprised it hasn't been cut right back or even deleted. The sourcing looks awful and it reads like a fan/promo page. - Sitush (talk) 15:00, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Eg: "They were spotted by the legendary neon knight of sleaze". I might go back later and do some drastic pruning. - Sitush (talk) 15:02, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, the whole family of articles relating to Symbol Six are suspect. I've tried working on them but they seem to have gotten away from me. Safehaven86 (talk) 15:09, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Erasmus Smith, lead

Hi Sitush. I have made a few changes to the lead, shortening, and attempting to clarify what is to come. Any feedback greatly appreciated. Simon. Irondome (talk) 01:08, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Ashok Harsana

I was just trying to improve the article related to Gurjar-pratihars, which have been my subject of study for a very long period (say 15 years now). I made a mistake by editing the main article page earlier, but realizing the mistake, I just tried to add some information on the talk page of the articles names "origin of Gurjara PThe Real Rana (talk) 09:19, 16 September 2016 (UTC)ratihara". Please tell me what went wrong, as I made sure to cite correct reference in all my talks?

Apart from that the Hindi version of the article in question are not at all the mere translation. They are completely different from the main article. Please do something about that also. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashokharsana (talk • contribs) 09:20, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

You have already got this conversation going on three different article talk pages. Please don't bring it here also. - Sitush (talk) 10:44, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Ah. I see you have now been topic banned from the relevant subject matter for six months. Let it go, please. - Sitush (talk) 10:48, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Sitush. You have new messages at Northamerica1000's talk page.
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North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:56, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Re: Move

The page has been moved. Please check if c/e is needed after the move.

PS. Is the edit notice applicable still? --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Tito. Yes, it is sort of applicable. I should probably modify it but I am having good days and awful ones ... and a lot of bad nights (hence my weird editing pattern). - Sitush (talk) 17:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		This really dates back several years, when you assisted in reverting edits by one of innumerable self-promotional accounts. Glad to see you're still helping. Cheers, 2601:188:1:AEA0:30F8:873F:7608:6364 (talk) 20:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure who you are or to what you are referring but thanks! FWIW, I've just come across this (scroll down to the article for the full effect) - not sure if it is self-promo or a fan but either way it is getting the treatment (no pun intended). - Sitush (talk) 20:29, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

I've edited profusely, first as a registered account, now in the guise of many IPs. No matter; the incident I recall involved a young man who repeatedly added original research to an article on his village, but the real motivation was a persistent attempt to insert a small item from the NY Times that mentioned him as someone who edited Wikipedia using a hand held device. He thought it established his notability, and was off and running from there. Eventually and inevitably he was blocked. 2601:188:1:AEA0:30F8:873F:7608:6364 (talk) 20:39, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Blimey, you have a long memory! I'd forgotten about him. - Sitush (talk) 20:40, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I forget most of them, too. But happening across your edits triggers my memory for that incident. Pavlov could have written something about that. 2601:188:1:AEA0:30F8:873F:7608:6364 (talk) 20:42, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

British Raj sources and Gyan

Hi, thanks for saving me the trouble of looking up all of the other tribes. Just curious, can you give me a quick explanation for why British Raj sources and Gyan are considered unreliable? Thanks. Fraenir (talk) 10:56, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

For Gyan, see User:Sitush/Common#Gyan. I've got some brief notes about the Raj sources somewhere and will post them (or a link) here later. There are some discussions at WP:RSN if you cannot wait. - Sitush (talk) 11:13, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Nope, no need to rush. Fraenir (talk) 11:39, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

@Fraenir: there is some info at User:Sitush/CasteSources. I really need to revisit that and improve it. - Sitush (talk) 13:12, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

..as a fiddle

This is really good news. Glad to see you active. - NQ (talk) 13:38, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been editing a lot but in a weird pattern etc. We'll see how things go - back at hospital next month. - Sitush (talk) 14:32, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Akhilesh Yadav

why even have a chief minister if everything gets done by the government. why have the brain at the top when all the organs can do the work on their own. The development program launched by Yadav is very unique, since earlier UP leaders were only focused on caste politics. This is the first time in the state's history, a chief minister is focusing on development and you brand it as fan talk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buff 4u2000 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

If you do not understand the role of a chief minister in India, nor the doctrine of collective responsibility, then I cannot really help you. To the best of my knowledge, Yadav is not a dictator or some other form of essentially one-man government. His article has periodically attracted contributions from people who are clearly trying to "big up" his image. It isn't necessary. - Sitush (talk) 12:57, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

i do not agree with your views. If the page is about a person and if he is the chief minister (a designation), then the work he has done in that position is okay to be mentioned, especially if it is of a pioneering nature and affects the lives of lakhs of people. We are talking about development, about good roads, drinking water, homes to live, industries, agriculture. How can you brand these as fan talk? i would like the matter to be escalated to wiki top management.Buff 4u2000 (talk) 13:29, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I think your very insistence makes it clear that it is fan talk. However, a more appropriate place to put stuff like that, assuming that you are also prepared to include negative information, would be some article about the government for year X to year Y. You would also need to bear in mind WP:CRYSTAL etc - there is a world of difference between what politicians promise to do, what actually happens and what effect that actually has. Also, these are often long-term projects and so assessing them is extremely difficult when we are so near to the event. This is a problem that has arisen at Narendra Modi and which is (slowly) being addressed. - Sitush (talk) 13:39, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Rachel Liang

Ring ring. Hello. Is this Sitush? This is he. What do you mean, "this is he?" This is he. Me. What is the antecedent for "this"? Me. Then why were you talking about him? Me? About who? This he you mentioned. That's me. Why didn't you say so in the first place? *Click*

What Is The Reason When Why You Delete My Translation Of Rachel Liang, And I'm Not Angry If You Give A Right Reason For It, Because It's Our Obligation To Give A Right Details And Grammar At Every Article Of Wikipedia, So If I Did Some Wrong I Will Accept It. (愛耶穌, Talk 21:34, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

And Sitush, I Also Want Ask Why If I Use My Phone, There Is Some Number 7 At The I Don't Know What It Called Of Search, So It Means I Have 7 Notification, But When I Click It There Is No 7 New Notifications So What's The Meaning?. (愛耶穌, Talk 21:49, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

The problem was that the article made almost no sense in the English language. The information is still in the history and someone can retrieve it if they want to make a better job of translation. I did ask for translation help before removing the information, and I left a note at Talk:Rachel Liang also. I realise that this must be disappointing for you but, however confusing the article may have been, your ability to translate into English is 100 per cent better than my ability to translate in the opposite direction.

I don't know enough about the notifications system to explain your other query, nor do I use my phone much for Wikipedia purposes. I do know that it has been changed a few times, so maybe the developers are still working on it. - Sitush (talk) 09:33, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

愛耶穌, I think Sitush still uses a rotary phone; I'll add a picture, in case you're younger than 25 or so. I do agree with him on the article. The next step, as far as I'm concerned, is to find decent sources, and if you find English ones, it will be easier a. to write an English article and b. to collaborate with English-speaking editors. Drmies (talk) 14:46, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Good caption, Drmies. Reminds me of a story from the British colonial era. Someone in the Foreign Office in London decides to phone a Governor of a far-away colony. He gets a minion to arrange the call. The phone is answered by a servant at the Governor's Residence:

London: Is this the Governor's Residence?

Servant: Sure is.

London: Is the Governor available?

Servant: Sure is.

London: Thank you. Long distance from London.

Servant: Sure is.

And the servant ends the call. - Sitush (talk) 17:13, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

I can't help but picture one of these guys trying to set up the call.--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 18:31, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Existentialism and grammar, Sitush--a glorious combination. Drmies (talk) 00:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Now you are being Satre-tastic? - Sitush (talk) 00:52, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Drmies, that caption pretty much sums up my first month of phone conversations (clarification: not as him) after I moved to the US! —SpacemanSpiff 01:02, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:04, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Not interested, sorry. I've got a much thicker skin. - Sitush (talk) 08:56, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Teacher1943. - Sitush (talk) 09:09, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I thought he was a sockpuppet. The comment that he had never met an editor as arrogant as you, after ten edits, was telling Robert McClenon (talk) 14:08, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Bender the Bot is driving me daft

Bots are useful, I know, but when they go on major runs they don't half bugger up the watchlist. My list of changes for the last week has more than doubled this morning and I'll have to check the lot because people tend to slip stuff into caste articles etc and then they get obscured by the bot edit. I do wish there was a way to ration what they do - it's almost as if the thing has decided to target my watchlist (it's probably actually targetting a category or five). Bloody nuisance, even if necessary, gnoming. - Sitush (talk) 11:09, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I've noticed the same, though my watchlist is probably not half as big as yours. I wonder if there's a way to make it spread category-wise edits over a longer timespan. Vanamonde (talk) 12:07, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Sitush, isn't there a checkbox at the top of your watchlist to hide bot edits? EdJohnston (talk) 14:38, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

There is but it doesn't seem to work (nor does the one for hiding my own edits). I'm not sure if it would fix the problem anyway - I'm not bothered about the bot edits showing up but rather that they may obscure (by being the last edit) an earlier poor edit by an actual person. You'll be aware of the mess that is caste-related stuff here and so may appreciate just how many articles I have on my watchlist, most of which are showing up at being edited by Bender the Bot at the moment but some of which will indubitably have been edited poorly very recently by some *?>"£$%. - Sitush (talk) 14:44, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I've not explained that very well, sorry. The checkboxes for hiding/showing have never worked on my setup, which has been various versions of Firefox on various versions of Ubuntu. - Sitush (talk) 14:45, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - Even if you get them to work, it will not solve your particular problem - hiding the bot edit{s), does not "reveal" the last non-bot edit. - Arjayay (talk) 15:02, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

That's exactly what I suspected but have never been able to prove. All hiding will do is shorten the list of changes in the watchlist. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 15:04, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I give up. Might as well delete the watchlist! The bot has taken over so much there is no way I can keep on top of it. - Sitush (talk) 15:12, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Looking at Special:Contributions/Bender the Bot, it seems to be working through every single article on Wikipedia in alphabetical order—it appears that Wikipedia is having one of its periodic bursts of institutional paranoia about the use of http rather than https, despite the fact that nobody has ever managed to come up with an explanation as to why anyone would want to spy on another editor's account. Best thing to do is grit your teeth and ignore it; assuming it's working alphabetically (which seems to be the case) it's already up to N so should be finished fairly soon. If you'll forgive a bit of OR, I suspect you're seeing it more often than others (I have 10,000+ items on my watchlist, but only 10 Benderised pages showing in the last 7 days) because it's targeting Google links, and I've noticed that articles on Ind-Pak tend to have more than their fair share of Google Books in the sources (probably to do with the relative scarcity of libraries compared to most other English-speaking countries). ‑ Iridescent 15:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm having issues with Addbot from Wikidata .. I need to keep track of wikidata edits (so they don't introduce unsourced junk) but ... my gods, it's killing my watchlist this morning... Ealdgyth - Talk 15:29, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

@Arjayay, I am unclear on why hiding the bot edit would also suppress the last non-bot edit in the watchlist. A change is a change, provided it fell in the 24 hour window which the watchlist is designed to report on. It would take some experiments to see if that's the case. But anyway, you have the option "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent", which can be found in Special:Preferences. EdJohnston (talk) 15:30, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

EdJohnston, you may well be unclear as to why, but that's precisely what happens. Since the bug was reported nine years ago and the devs have done nothing other than belittle the many people who've complained about it, I think it's safe to say they don't intend to fix it. ‑ Iridescent 15:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I've also had a bot doing things with Wayback - searching for archiveurls etc - this last few days. When we get hit by several at once (or even close together) it really does get tiresome. - Sitush (talk) 16:00, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I deviced a workaround for this problem a few years back: Copy over your watchlist links to a sandbox page and then click on "Related changes" on the left hand tab, use the "hide bots" "hide my edits" options at the top and you'll see all the changes on those articles based on the time period selected. You can do this based on categories too and that makes life simpler. I came up with this when I did a lot of work on women cricketers and the weird edits on those were getting covered up by bots. Problem with this is that you can only see a max of 500 edits in total (newest first), so your list of articles has got to be small.—SpacemanSpiff 16:04, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Might be worth a go, Spiffy, thanks. I've just noticed that Boleyn has gone on another spree of nominating loads of caste/clan articles for deletion - that's even more work because they're practically acting as a bot when they do that! And muggins here feels compelled to do a WP:BEFORE, which takes a while per article. This is not turning out to be a good day, and with all the recent AfDs (including some that have been relisted from the last batch), it isn't going to be a good week either. - Sitush (talk) 16:07, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) …which makes your watchlist public, thus making it child's play for every crank, troll and weirdo to to annoy the hell out of you by making a "good faith" edit to every article on the list every couple of days… ‑ Iridescent 16:09, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

It works well on categories too (just the page you're on, not the full category) and I guess that'd be helpful for Sitush in particular, an alternate method would be to just copy over the history of the bot to a page and then work on the related changes for that. —SpacemanSpiff 16:15, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

@Iridescent:, well, the thing seems to be going back round. It has just done the letter D. - Sitush (talk) 08:56, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Anoher HTTPS pass through bot? Huh. I've run into this issue myself; the only way to fix it would be to prod that Phab task with some code that can fix the issue while accounting for Quiddity's concern, I believe. JoJo Eumerus mobile (talk) 09:27, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

@Iridescent: "... it appears that Wikipedia is having one of its periodic bursts of institutional paranoia about the use of http rather than https, despite the fact that nobody has ever managed to come up with an explanation as to why anyone would want to spy on another editor's account."

I listed some evidence on why HTTPS is a good idea on User:Bender the Bot#HTTP → HTTPS. Further, I initiated a proposal on WP:VPR recently, giving more explanation. Long story short, this conversion of links is useful and important.

As for why it blows up everyone's watchlist, I'm not sure. Usually bots should be able to fly under the radar, I don't know what's wrong is this case. --bender235 (talk) 11:51, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

No disrespect, but I find all of that utterly unconvincing; remember we're talking about links to Google Books here, not to an online banking site. In the unlikely event that we do have a reader so paranoid that they're worried about other people knowing which Google Books links in references they've followed, I'd imagine they'd be too busy adjusting their tinfoil hat to even notice the change; "censorship" is a completely meaningless term when it comes to Google Books since the system is location-based and only serves up material which is permitted in any given reader's IPs' jurisdiction; no sensitive data of any kind passes in either direction, so authentication is irrelevant. I don't see how these hyper-marginal benefits justify something which causes the kind of mass disruption your bot is causing. (I wouldn't be sorry to see Google Books blacklisted as an EL altogether, but the reasons have nothing to do with "the Russians are making a list of what books I'm reading!" paranoia.) ‑ Iridescent 13:12, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Being spied on is a minor issue in this case (even though it is a valid concern for people in certain countries). The main reason here is that we are sending a ton of traffic to Google Books and Google News (they're probably the most-used reference on Wikipedia in general), and when it is using outdated HTTP links, all this traffic needs to be re-routed by Google (since they are HTTPS-by-default like Wikipedia). That takes time, especially on mobile, and it breaks the HTTP referrer (both issues explained in the WP:VPR linked above).

Anyhow, this is a one-time run. All Google links added these days are HTTPS anyways, so we're fine. All that needs to be taken care off are those years-old legacy links (of which, unfortunately, we have literally hundreds of thousands). --bender235 (talk) 13:25, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I've prodded the Phabricator ticket along a little. If only someone with PHP skills could send a patch there... Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:20, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Castes/Surnames/Tribes in the Sub-Continent.

Hi Sitush. I have seen you deal with South Asian related topics, and with the "castes/surnames/tribes" topic of the region. You must be aware of the the kind of mess these topics tend to generate on WP. Going through these articles histories i realized that you have been dealing with them firmly; apparently, one user, namely "User:WALTHAM2" was adding a plethora of Caste/Surname articles on WP, which you stopped him from doing owing to non-notability. There are many other such articles here that have unverifiable references mainly from Raj sources or have no references. Recently two pages (Banday and Bandey) on Kashmiri surnames came up. Sameer212121, the creator of both these pages used some references that have either no mention of the caste, or they are Raj sources (which i guess are not accepted in WP). User:Sameer212121 links them to a variant of Pandey. Another user has come up with another source (TareekTarikh-ei-aqwam-e-KashmirHasan) that is unverifiable online, and getting a hard copy is difficult; this user has also probably used "original research". I merged both the pages to Pandey since that is apparently what User:Sameer212121 thought of them as. But, the page is being un-merged and restored to its Raj sources and other unverifiable references. The unverifiable part becomes more of a concern because long stories are being used as content for these articles. Furthermore, Kashmiris have well over 300 surnames/given-names, and creating articles for all of them is like using WP as a directory for these surnames and that too supported by Raj sources. Also Wikipedia:Notability comes into play here. Other articles that go along these lines are Douli, Khamb, Maldiyal Mughal, Junhal, Hamals, etc. We need to stop such articles from popping up unless there have fully verifiable sources that don't come from British Raj census/ethnography. Have a look at these articles, i suggest deleting them. Regards, Wasiq 9320 (talk) 12:51, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Just a sidenote: articles about surnames (tagged with {{surname}}) are pretty common. Aside from any information they might have about the surname and its origin, they usually double up as WP:SIAs listing the people bearing the name, and if there are two or more such people then these articles are normally kept (see WP:APONOTE). Uanfala (talk) 15:00, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Perhaps Douli (one reference, to the British Raj publication "Imperial Gazetteer of India, v. 6"), Khamb (unreferenced, non-notable, has been tagged as such since March 2015), Maldiyal Mughal (unreferenced), Junhal (tagged as unsourced since November 2015) and Hamals tagged as unsourced since July 2011) can be redirected? Not sure to what, though. What do you say, Sitush? Uanfala, I don't see any lists of people bearing the name in these. Bishonen | talk 15:19, 25 September 2016 (UTC).

I was intending that as a general note, I wasn't implying there are any lists in these particular articles. But having at look at them, I see that Hamals looks like a plural, and there are people with the surname Hamal: Benisha Hamal, Rajesh Hamal, Pramesh Kumar Hamal, although these could also go at Hamal (disambiguation). Uanfala (talk) 15:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Redirect Hamals to a newly-created Hamal (disambiguation), listing people such as those Uanfala mentions and making no mention of caste/tribe because that would be a potential BLP violation involving a non-notable community. I'll take a look at the rest when I feel more inclined to wade through what will indubitably be another spate of argument from members of the alleged communities and/or fairly clueless inclusionists. - Sitush (talk) 16:20, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

As i see it, unless these caste/surname/tribe articles have non-Raj sources that can verify the entire content, they should not be on WP. Content-verifiable sources becomes especially important in these articles seeing the contentious nature of the "Caste" topic in the sub-continent. If this measure is not used, we are calling for endless POV pushing, original research, and edit warring. Wasiq 9320 (talk) 16:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

You are correct. However, where they are turned into a list of notable people who bear the same name, and where they do not mention the unverifiable/unreliably sourced caste/tribe, they are no longer an article about the caste/tribe. Thus, the problem goes away. - Sitush (talk) 16:51, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Random WWI Indian rulers

Not sure if this would interest you, but I came across File:The Maharajah of Tikari (6306248225).jpg and was thinking of putting it in Tekari Raj, but I suspect that article needs some TLC first. Do you think it is one of the rulers? I had more luck putting File:Sadeq Mohammad Khan (6282373533).jpg in Sadeq Mohammad Khan V. Carcharoth (talk) 19:26, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

I will take a proper look at it tomorrow but one thing is already obvious: the thing is a puff piece for Bhumihar claims to Brahmin status - that is a long-running problem that has involved multiple pov-fork articles using alternate spellings etc. A lot of zamindari estates were very, very small also - often little more than a village and some surrounding land. Obviously, some were also huge! - Sitush (talk) 19:41, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

@Carcharoth: that article is a mess and I may need to spend some money to sort it out. However, I think it pretty certain that the photo is of a member of that family. I can find no similarly-named family. There is quite a lot of user-generated stuff out there that seems to accord with the impression (eg: this), and also things like this - Miss Elsie Forest of Australia becomes a Maharani in India. - Sitush (talk) 13:47, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at it and making those edits. The history given at the Flickr page is interesting (scroll down to see the comments). Carcharoth (talk) 18:57, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Afd opinion

Please share your opinion in my recent AfDs regarding the "Jat Clans", as they are your good suite. Please follow up them at this link. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 00:34, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I am getting swamped by the number of caste-related AfD nominations being put forward by you and Boleyn. I like to do a WP:BEFORE and when people go on a spree of nominations that can become time-consuming. The benefits of doing so, though, should be obvious if you compare this with this. - Sitush (talk) 01:17, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

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@Trizek (WMF): eh? I never signed up for that original newsletter, even though my name appears in the list (try finding me in the history). I'm certainly not interested in reading even more wishy-washy crap about "collaboration" from the WMF/Meta, who for much of the time don't seem to practice what they preach. - Sitush (talk) 12:20, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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Wow, thanks for spotting that. I'll find some way of getting off the list: it doesn't sound like anything I'd be interested in - just another meta layer that misses the point and justifies the staffing levels. - Sitush (talk) 13:54, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

And I see that you're asking me to subscribe to it, so I need do nothing. That's great. - Sitush (talk) 13:55, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Chibhal article

A complete trash article with inaccurate references needs a serious clean up. It was an area ruled by a branch of dogras near the hazara border not where they are falsely stating where it is nor was it part of the katoch dynasty as they claim. All hindu dogar chibs and sikhs are Jatts yet their muslim pakistani counterparts are inventing fake lineages. 92.2.180.9 (talk) 13:01, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

October 2016

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Sitush, you started a discussion on my talkpage about a NAC I performed. Your approach had been very hostile and your started making personal attacks on my TalkPage - despite me telling you that I don't want to engage in an argument. I also told you (should you not be satisfied with me not opening the AfD discussion) to either take it to DRV or to nominate the article again for deletion and not to engage in lengthy arguments. You clearly ignored the requests and went on attacking me personally. Consider this as your last warning; one more personal attack and I will report you. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 07:47, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Your approach has been both arrogant and clueless. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it. - Sitush (talk) 08:32, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Subhas Chandra Bose

Hi Sitush. FYI I've already pinged Melotown and RegentsPark to ask them to take the issue to the talk page. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:56, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Ok. Melotown is a regular pov pusher, so this could be fun. - Sitush (talk) 11:04, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Just an FYI.

I have reclosed it. It doesnt require an admin as the consensus is clear. At best if everyone had formally registered their opposition, it would be 'no consensus to delete, discuss a redirect on talkpage'. Personally I am of the opinion it should be redirected as their work is more influential and notable than the author, however general convention is to respect the SNG's as long as they do not directly contradict either WP:GNG or WP:V. I addressed your arguments in the closing specifically since they had more weight than the other opposers. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:00, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

I noticed. You are wrong to close unless you are an admin. Consensus is not a vote and yet your explanation fundamentally is addressing it as a vote. I'd never heard of WP:CREATIVE before Anup raised it - like practically every SNG, that is also bollocks. - Sitush (talk) 10:03, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

I disagree on the first, being an Admin gives people no magical consensus divining powers (there are more than a few who are hilariously bad at it) and there really was no contentious issues here. Discussion was civil, both sides made good points but disagreed on the outcome. I addressed the substantive opposers arguments - as did the Keep editors in the discussion. The point of closing is to assess the consensus and strength of arguments in line with existing wikipedia practice as set up by policy and guidelines. RE SNG - Well quite - no argument from me there. Unfortunately it is a form of bollocks that is used by almost every subject area, if I had my way I would delete them all and require strict adherance to WP:V and WP:GNG only. Sadly that is not likely to happen in my lifetime. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:12, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

I didn't say admins had magical powers, which is a repeat of the argument you used in the AN thread. You could have !voted to redirect or to keep, and I note that Anup was asking for more eyes. A relist would have been another option. When so many of the sources given in the discussion are non-English and no-one is actually prepared to demonstrate their use and/or translate for English-language readers, one has to question the sincerity, especially given that the spirit of nationalism in India-related topics is quite pronounced. There really were not that many substantiated keeps - Johnpacklambert just passed by, Pratyush didn't explain etc. - Sitush (talk) 10:58, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Keep in mind I did enough research myself to verify if the objections were valid - the Hindi BBC article appears legit and is not, as one person claimed, by a relative of the subject, the paper sources appear legitimate and satisfy WP:RS and WP:V. I actually gave little weight to JPL due to the fly-by voting, however even with all that, it boils down to 'this group of editors think they are notable and have cited sources and notability guideline saying so, this group of editors doesnt think they are notable but have not been able to proove to any degree the sources used are unreliable or should be excluded'. Relisting would be another option, but I doubt it will get any further useful discussion than has already taken place. Honestly if you feel it was incorrect, take it to DRV, I wont take offence and have no objection to a valid process-driven difference of opinion over a closure. I do object to running to admin boards or demanding an admin everytime a non admin closes a discussion that someone thinks should have gone the other way (I am not including you in this btw as you didnt bring it to AN). I have a lot of respect for you personally as an editor, which is why I addressed this with you directly rather than anyone else. Only in death does duty end (talk) 13:09, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Do you mind having a look at this

Hi! Do you mind having a look at this conversation and review some of them. It concerns closing AfDs. Although the closer has said it is OK for me to revert the closes, I just want to be sure that I am correct before proceeding. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:17, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't do all that much work at AfD and have never closed a discussion there. - Sitush (talk) 08:25, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

No worries! I'll ask someone else to review. I just though you probably used to close AfDs earlier. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:28, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

@Lemongirl942:, Only in death (see section immediately above this) may be able to help. I notice that you pinged Sandstein but got nothing - the pinging thing doesn't always seem to work, so dropping a note as you have done here is probably safer. - Sitush (talk) 08:34, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Ah I see. I'll drop a note to Sandstein then. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:35, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Mehlotra

Sitush your knowledge about malhotra's/mehra's/ mehrotra's/ mehlotra's is incomplete. First thing is malhotra is not a gotra. Gotra is a different thing. malhotra's/mehra's/ mehrotra's/ mehlotra's are same things. These are the surnames of khatris family who belongs to dhai ghar. And dhai ghar have only three surnames khanna, kapoor and mehra. They are suryavanshi khatris which become char ghar by adding Seth with them. Mehra is divided into three malhotra, mehrotra, mehlotra. Mehra is derived from mihir which means sun. Mehras are Suryavanshi khatris. Khatri is Punjabi adaptation of Sanskrit word Kshatriya. We are Kshatriyas who belongs to Punjab region. If you want any other detail about us. Then you can study this article. https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Khatri — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ishu Mehra (talk • contribs) 02:08, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia requires that information added to articles is verifiable. This is almost always achieved by citing reliable sources. You have been repeatedly adding material at the Malhotra article that does not comply with this precept. You have done it both as an "anon" (a person who edits without logging into a user account) and now as a registered user. In that context, it really doesn't matter how much knowledge I may or may not have regarding the subject: you are not adhering to our way of doing things.

Sikhiwiki is not a reliable source. It is, like Wikipedia itself, an "open wiki" - anyone can create an account and edit the thing, and the only editorial check on the veracity of their contributions is the efforts of other volunteers. In addition, it is almost certainly mostly the work of people who have a close relationship with the community that it purports to serve, which means that it lacks independence. Consequently, it would be pointless to cite that source. - Sitush (talk) 03:03, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

I was not aware of this talk option that's why I was adding repeatedly. Now I am talking with you in the right way. And sikhiwedia is a genuine source of information as same as Wikipedia. And I am Ishu Mehra belongs to khatri community. And I know about my self that's why I am giving you the right information about mehra/ malhotra.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ishu Mehra (talk • contribs)

It's good that you have discovered the talk pages. There are also talk pages for each article, where you will often get more discussion because they are watched by people interested in that article, eg: Talk:Malhotra. However, your personal knowledge about a subject is not acceptable because it is original research. Also, although this will obviously come as a surprise to you, Wikipedia is also not considered to be a reliable source, which is why we have the information at WP:CIRCULAR.

There are lots of websites but we cannot believe (or, at least, accept) the information shown on them just because they exist. I do encourage you to read the reliable sources documentation carefully. You could ask for wider input regarding the reliability of Sikhiwiki by asking for the opinion of a wider range of people at our Reliable Sources Noticeboard but I assure you that the outcome will be the same. - Sitush (talk) 04:08, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

And I see that despite the above information you are STILL making inappropriate edits to the Malhotra article. You will find yourself blocked at this rate, and the article will be subjected to measures that prevent you from editing it regardless of how many times you change your IP address. - Sitush (talk) 05:34, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Dhindsa

Good luck. Drmies (talk) 01:40, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush @Drmies Can I please ask why you removed half of the information regarding this surname? Please keep the information about the surnames origin as there are plenty of sources to back it up, which you also removed. Thanks!

The rationales are in the edit summaries visible here. It is pretty standard stuff. - Sitush (talk) 07:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Sitush, it is of indian origin, there are multiple sources to back it up. Why do you keep removing the opening sentence? No other surname has been edited as much as this one in the last 24 hours of me making it.

You have been saying that it is a Jat Sikh name and there is no way you can reliably demonstrate that. You have just reinstated some rubbish along those lines, using jatland.com as a source. That website is an open wiki (anyone can edit it) and is another example of an unreliable source. I have no idea whether it is the most edited surname article of the last 24 hours but, regardless, you need to stop editing it and stick to comments at Talk:Dhindsa for the moment - see WP:3RR. Furthermore, we've already reached the situation where I have felt it necessary to alert you to the discretionary sanctions that are enforceable in the subject area. Articles allegedly about Jats (and Rajputs) are among the more intractable battlegrounds on Wikipedia but repeated reinstatement of material that does not comply with our policies invariably leads to the imposition of sanctions.

Please could you sign your posts. This has been explained to you by others previously. - Sitush (talk) 08:22, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to Women in Food and Drink editathon

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Lol! Very droll :) Sitush (talk) 09:14, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

A friend went on a tour of the White House. After listening to the guide expounding on how the US won the War of 1812 he said to her "Good job you won, else you'd be having to speak English." Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:45, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Friendly warning

Thank you for the warning at Category talk:Jat clans but please do not assume, or warn, or threaten, that I am going to disrupt Wikipedia (your second time), as if I am being retaliatory, as I will consider this a very personal attack if you do. Claiming that editors, acting in good faith, in an area that does not agree with you, as being disruptive, is in fact the very definition of being disruptive, are attacks, and escalates to harassment with a second occurrence. I would like to invite you to consider an old saying, sometimes called a proverb: "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones". I do not have any history of disrupting Wikipedia, nor any blocks. You informed me that you did not want to work with me (oh yes you did), "It isn't particularly helpful: fix it, tag it or nominate it.", as a reply when I sent you a message one time, as a courtesy, and you accused me of truism. I see that I am the second person you have attacked in a short time. You can disagree with me, battle me on article issues, get pissed, even pissy, and I will not care, but make no mistake, I do not play well when being attacked.

I do not need to make a point of anything, and I am just as easy to be able to forgive and forget as long as you can remember that civility is one of the five pillars of Wikipedia.

IF you see something I have done, or written, give your point of view and I assure you I will consider it. If I agree I will let you know, if I disagree I will provide reasoning. I will always assume that you are acting in good faith, even in areas such as when providing references. That does not mean I will not look into them here or there just because that is my nature. Someone started a mass AFD (that I do not particularly care about and this is recorded several times) that was procedurally closed and I looked into some of them. You have let me know, in no uncertain terms, that any attempted improvements are hopeless with "...it will be a disaster. It has been tried before and invariably just creates a shedload of problems.". This means that I either have to work with what I have, or can find, or seek or join an AFD. Although collaboration is a good thing I am not obligated to try to work with anyone that lets me know it is a waste of my time. Thank you, Otr500 (talk) 23:53, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

If you can't parse the English language then I am afraid there isn't much I can do to help, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 08:58, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

You are amazing. I have absolutely no problem with my command of English, and completely understand your need to "just have to be correct with the last words", even when wrong. You have been warned in a friendly manner, and all your rhetoric aside, at the very least, you might consider my comments before attacking me again. I have followed procedure, letting it slide the first time, even though you have exhibited a "pattern of hostility" through pov railroading, which is intimidation when making "preemptive reminders" to "not disrupt Wikipedia to make a point, which is a form of false accusations, and inflammatory, especially alleging bad faith motives. Warning against such motives without justification, are attacks. This may work on new editors, warnings to tread lightly, but is not so effective to others.

I have extended all the good faith I can muster. My comments were because the next instance will result in formal procedures and request for administrator action. This line of comments have died a natural death. You might consider that you are flogging a dead horse and maybe you should drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. I am going to assume good faith that you will also start assuming good faith. Have a nice day, Otr500 (talk) 11:01, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

And I repeat: if you can't parse the English language, there isn't much I can do. Look, you are feeling your way in a topic area about which you clearly know very little. That's not a problem - you can learn, if you want to - but when you make wild assumptions such as that I want to "sweep things under the rug" then it isn't me who is the problem, is it? - Sitush (talk) 11:07, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)@Otr500: You are misunderstanding Sitush rather profoundly here. He is not defending unverifiable articles: merely asking for a case-by-case, thorough analysis, rather than a hasty approach which is liable to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Leaving a note on he talk page of every one of those 40-odd articles does come across as pointy, so I would suggest that you instead direct your energies at finding sources, and sending articles to AfD in cases where they don't exist. Vanamonde (talk) 14:05, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

@ Mr. Vanamonde, Thank you for coming to this editor's defense. Check this out: I have not sent one article on that list to AFD yet. In stalking I think you missed two discussions and that I only sent "one" message to Mr. Sitush per procedure. You have certainly and most obviously missed that my concern is the implied threat that I need to tread lightly, and in fact, you are citing that I am possibly violating policy, by doing things exactly as cited in WP:BEFORE (as quoted by this editor that I was in fact following) to include A2, B2 and 3, and more importantly C3: "raising your concerns on the article's talk page, with the main contributors", before continuing to D3 if appropriate.

This editor had made implied threats to @Krishna Chaitanya Velaga: with "Oh, you also need to be aware that there is such a thing as disruptive editing. It doesn't need a specific policy relating to deletions, for example, for you to be sanctioned for this type of behaviour.". Two editor disagree with this editor and both are now advised, which is actually threats, against violating policy, possibly violating policy, or to be careful not to violate policy, and insinuations of making Wikipedia a battle ground. In the Wikipedia world this is bullying.

If there are issues then "Leaving a note on he (sic) talk page of every one of those 40-odd articles", if warranted, is actually part of Wikipedia procedures. I didn't make the policies and guidelines so if you, or Mr. Sitush disagrees with them I suggest you take it up on the relevant policy or guideline page.

As an admin, stating that I can not abide by the policies and guidelines without breaking them would be inappropriate. I will assume good faith that you just didn't dig into this far enough before commenting. In fact, Sir, I direct your attention to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dantusliya, that apparent research by Mr. Sitush revealed did in fact deserve to be dominated for an AFD, and he nominated it----not me---- because I was still looking into things, leaving talk page comments, and even getting comments about other like articles. Meanwhile, I was attacked twice, as a friendly warning like he made to another editor.

Hinting at, or being warned, that I am or may be violating policy (and recent evidence that this not the only time nor I the only person), is intimidation, bullying, creating a hostile environment, uncivil, and certainly inappropriate. This becomes even more important when you research that I do not have a history of sanctions for violating policies and guidelines, no blocks, nor any admin warnings. If you are stepping in as an admin then you need to look at the whole picture, in fact that is not a bad idea in the capacity of an ordinary editor. I trust I have shown that I was in fact "not rushing", was following Wikipedia procedures, and that Mr. Sitush is the editor with a profound misunderstanding. I would also like to point out that there is no policy against mass AFD's, in fact there are provisions for this, and someone following through with checking up on things is good editorial practices, especially following applicable policies, guidelines, and procedures.

Also, your comment "Leaving a note on he (sic) talk page of every one of those 40-odd articles" makes it appear that I actually did that. I looked at several, one quarter of what you make it appear, saw issues, and started working on those. Everything I did was acceptable practices, and now I have an admin insinuating that I am doing something wrong.

Mr. Vanamonde, I trust in all fairness, you will reexamine this situation and your position, realizing that Mr. Sitush can be passionate about one area of Wikipedia, and other editors may be just as passionate about another area, without making insinuations, or attacks. "Nice" attacks are still attacks and "nice" admonishments to be careful about violating policy, when this has not happened, is still considered attacks, and when repeated become harassment. In light of this "IF" you still feel that I did something wrong you can continue this on my talk page and I will initiate steps to see if you are correct, that "maybe" you just didn't look at the whole picture, or maybe that Wikipedia policies and guidelines are in error and have to be fixed. I hope you have some idea how frustrating it is to do things to the best of one's ability, trying to dot all the I's and cross all the tee's, and someone inevitably has to throw a monkey wrench into the pot? If I am attacked again I trust you will be available to participate as this may be the best way to resolve the issue. Thank you, Otr500 (talk) 19:42, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

@Otr500: A "warning" to tread lightly is not a personal attack, and precisely what you needed at that point. The topic, with which Sitush is intimately acquainted, is a POV pushing minefield, and is also under discretionary sanctions; so anybody coming into the area for the first time with a lot of enthusiasm warrants such a "warning". So please drop the stick and go and make useful contributions, and stop producing walls of text on this matter. This is the last I wish to hear of it. Vanamonde (talk) 02:55, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Bhumihar

Sir, I dont know how much you know about traditions of different religious society. But please dont try to malign history of any society on the basis of junk and fake information. wikipedia is not a authentic source, so dont impose your thoughts to anybody. you have been improving wikipedia from quite long time, but it does not make you an scholar of the huge civilization of indian history.

Sir, I request you to change the phrase "claims to be brahmin" to a "sub-caste of brahmin". I dont know you gone through an research by National Center for Biotechnology Information, NIH (US).the genetic profile of bhumihar found clustering with the Brahmin group (as expected, since Bhumihar is known to be a subclass of Brahmin). From tredition (Mool,Gotra,rituals) to Genetic DNA information have no evidance to proof bhumihar brahmins are not brahmins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Himanshuranjan (talk • contribs) 23:14, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

On edits at page Charans:

You have little IQ Sitush. Out of sheer frustation you use words such as "rubbish". The fact is that you are not a scholar on Indian history.

If some one is writing a page of history which belongs to Raj Era which sources you would believe. And in countries like India history writing was limited to certain priviledged castes such as Brahmins, charans , sometimes rajputs and the british. So where would you get sources other then these. Try to understand the things from a different view point. Also, i am writing about medieval history and not modern times. Times have changed and so the modern thinking is different from what was the perception of caste in past. Also i have included sources which were written in modern times but again to write the medieval history where would they go, nowhere but to the writers of medieval times. I have included hindu sources and british and soon i will write some muslim sources as well. I have excluded sources like James Tod , though he had fair knowledge of indian culture atleast more than what people like you have. But since wikipedia disapproves it i ha e also excluded the same. All the articles/ facts i am citing are always written by third party independant people. So my stand is clear, and wikipedia has to understand this thing. The thing that when writing medieval history of india where to find the right source. Sometimes rigud rules need to be reviewd again. Also i am going to expand the article in differant time periods anciant, medieval and modern. So again i will provide authentic sources which were written in those times.

I will try to get in touch with wiki admin to discuss the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lalit Jugtawat (talk • contribs) 18:30, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

I have posted a warning to this user on their own talkpage. Bishonen | talk 23:27, 18 October 2016 (UTC).

Proposed deletion of Sippi people

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Break

A couple of people are nominating far too many castye/clan articles far too close together via PROD and AfD. It is dis-spiriting, they're definitely sometimes not doing WP:BEFORE (proven by articles being kept etc), and there are very few people who have either the knowledge or desire to research this type of stuff, which makes the task of checking extremely burdensome. Yes, the articles could be recreated at a later date and, yes, they could be userfied now if only I could keep on top of the lengthy list ... but I've had enough of their attitude and am taking a break. - Sitush (talk) 18:34, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Enjoy your break, my friend. If you come back and find you want to work on something that's been deleted in the interim, feel free to ping me, and I'm happy to provide a copy. Vanamonde (talk) 05:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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E Jerome McCarthy: Notability

Earlier this year you added a notability tag to the article on E. Jerome McCarthy. I have improved this article, by correcting factual errors, adding 8 independent references and reworking the content so that it highlights his contribution to marketing thought. I have also added a select list of his publications. My feeling is that the article now addresses the concerns about notability.

I am relatively new to Wikipedia (but not new to marketing). I am unsure as to whether it is appropriate for me to remove this tag about notability?

BronHiggs (talk) 06:09, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

BronHiggs, Sitush is on break and he has helped me so many times and was such a great mentor, so I'll take a look at this. I started with some edits and have comments that I'll post on the Talk:E. Jerome McCarthy page within a few hours.--CaroleHenson (talk) 22:47, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ghuman (clan)

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Query for TPWs

Posting here as the de facto non-crazy Indian topics noticeboard, rather than because I expect you to get involved personally—can any of your TPWs offer some advice to ERA NATARASAN? Assuming he's telling the truth about the awards he's won and the range of topics on which he writes (I don't speak a word of Tamil so can't confirm), he sounds a considerable step above the usual subject of a Wikipedia autobiography, and potentially someone who'd be quite a valuable addition to Wikipedia if New Page Patrol and the Conflict of Interest Police don't scare him away. Is anyone able to have a brief chat with him about dos and don'ts (and if it can be done politely, gently point out that his English isn't as fluent as he thinks it is)? ‑ Iridescent 10:24, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

What is your problem man why are you editing my article again and again without permission and without any authority. Who the hell are you. I have put all the references and data in article after ascertaining the facts and history from various books why are you doing such a irresponsible things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.107.35.161 (talk) 10:34, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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Happy Saturnalia!

		Happy Saturnalia
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Precious anniversary

Four years ago ...

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Buone Feste!

May you have very Happy Holidays, Sitush

and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and good things to eat!

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Merry Cristmas everybody!!!

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Vandalism

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Edits to Chekavar : Polayaadi mone

Why u wanna edit Chekavar to chovan . Chon is caste in South Kerala and Chekavar was only at North Kerala. Their stories were spread through Vadakkan part. Vadakkan means Northern. Nothing to do with southern Ezhava and chon. They belongs to Thiyya community of North Malabar. Kadathanadan chekavar (talk) 01:52, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Rv on Incident Personal attacks not subsiding

Why did you revert me? Iñaki LL (talk) 10:32, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

It was a misclick on my watchlist, sorry. I immediately self-reverted. - Sitush (talk) 12:32, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Mir Malagh Khan Rind

Hi Sitush, I was wondering if you'd be able to help with Mir Malagh Khan Rind - I stumbled across this article on Wikidata, and can't tell if it's actually a hoax article or not. It doesn't have any references, and googling the name just seems to pull up copies of the article or other articles that the same user (@Mir Chakar) contributed to, namely Mir Chakar Rind and Malghani Balouch. @HJ Mitchell: suggested you might be able to help check whether it is genuine or not, or if there are any offline references available for it? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:38, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mike, I can't spot anything of use. As you say, it all seems to be mirrors etc and the related articles are equally devoid of any apparent substance in sources. I can only suppose it is either a hoax or some very minor tribe that hasn't found its way into English language sources. - Sitush (talk) 16:31, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks. In that case, I'll PROD it. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:12, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Sitush!

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Sitush,
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Re: Rajput origins

hi,

you mentioned - "do not introduce your own commentary & note that we routinely find that genetic studies are flawed as sources for this type of thing" - my questions are

1 - my commentary was simply stating that the theories were sociological theories. i wasn't theorising. was stating a fact. how was that wrong?

2 - how are genetic studies flawed - you never explained that. i didn't go into specifics - simply mentioned when our genes merged and settled down. if there are flaws in those studies that you are aware of, please enlighten me so i can educate myself and pass on the info to the researchers.

till then, again, in good faith, i am re-adding my simple 2 lines that i added before.

See Talk:Rajput#moving_past_theories_and_into_genetics. For what it is worth, I am one of those people who refuses to accept anything scientific as "fact" - it is, at best, hypothesis. I encourage you to read Thomas Kuhn's History of Scientific Revolution, consider Gallileo, Newton, Einstein etc. Not a terribly significant argument for this example, but relevant to my point about commentary. - Sitush (talk) 00:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Katoch

Hi Sitush, Happy New Year to you! Do you have Katoch on your watchlist? It is getting some traffic now. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:13, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

And to you, too. No, it is not on my list. I can take a look but would probably have to do some reading around first. - Sitush (talk) 16:19, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sitush, please take a look at the talk page of Katoch and let me know what some of the proof loopholes remain in the traceability section. Digvijaykatoch (talk) 12:29, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Raju or Raju Kshatriyas

Please merge these pages Raju and Raju Kshatriya both are same and also no need of Raju zamindaris they all can be written in one page.Merge them Sitush if any discussions required you can post on my talk page Sitush Abhiran (talk)

Looks like it may be a WP:POVFORK - Raju community members have problems understanding how we work and are very insistent. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. - Sitush (talk) 09:15, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Vaibhav Saxena

Hi Sitush. Just letting you know: the new version of this article differs considerably from the one deleted at AFD, so a G4 deletion isn't possible (obviously you don't have access to the deleted version, so you couldn't have known that). If you still think it needs deletion, you'll need to take it to AFD again, I'm afraid. All the best, Yunshui ^雲_水 09:45, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Yunshui: ok but did you see my talk page comments? I will add to those that I have searched both The Times of India and Hindustan Times for the alleged articles titled "Blending music to create a head remix" and they do not appear to exist. ToI in particular has pretty good archives, regardless of what one thinks of the paper itself. I'll send it back to AfD because I think it is mostly fake/promo. - Sitush (talk) 09:50, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Saw your comments, but they didn't really have any bearing on the specific reason for deletion so I didn't factor them into my decision (bit bureaucratic of me, sorry, but I've only just returned from a lengthy hiatus and I'm trying to do everything by the book!). No objection from this quarter to a new AFD; I'll even hop in and !vote once it's up. Yunshui ^雲_水 09:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

No problem. - Sitush (talk) 10:10, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Katara Rajput

Why are you deleting Information on Katara Rajputs.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danyal.252 (talk • contribs) 13:11, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

For reasons clearly given in Sitush's edit summaries. Please see them, in the history of this article. -- Hoary (talk) 13:20, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Brahmin dynasties

Hi Sitush, it looks like we are going to have the entire Wikipedia polluted with this stuff. Can we put a stop to it? Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 13:59, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Keith Vaz

Whats the convention for people born in Goa prior to its annexation by India in the 60's? Are they of Indian descent? I have opened a discussion at Vaz's talkpage, I may be over-reacting but it seems odd to me. Only in death does duty end (talk) 19:06, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

It is odd but there isn't a lot I can do as I am in hospital and editing is a pain for which they have no meds. I left a comment. - Sitush (talk) 20:27, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to hear you are unwell. Hope it gets better soon. I was just looking for more opinions and your name was top of the list. Only in death does duty end (talk) 20:43, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Onam : Page Protection

Hi, please look into my request for page protection. Thanks. Shimlaites (talk) 12:58, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

List of Brahmin dynasties and states

Hi Sitush,Why are you deleting all the content of List of Brahmin dynasties and states if you need citations and references i'll provide them.Please revert them back Abhiran (talk) 14:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

You should have provided them in the first place - not my problem. - Sitush (talk) 14:30, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard notification

Hello,

Just as I wrote to your colleague User:Bishonen, edits using wikisources are not disruptive, nor are they invalid.

Aside from User:Bishonen's baseless claim that you (User:Sitush) knows a lot about these things, it does not matter when using a wikisource. I notice he added page protection and has also been banned a few times before, and I think adding page protection to remove reliable sources to protect your edits is a serious infraction.

As such, I have followed up at The administrators' noticeboard.

Just some advice: just because you think the source is unreliable using your self-reference (here, User:Sitush/CasteSources), it does not give User:Bishonen the right to protect the page and remove insertions that use a valid wikisource (s:The Imperial Gazetteer of India) when point (3) of the Wikisource page says that they are valid WP:RS. It does not matter if you have your own talk page discussing your view of the sources, as wikisources are not called WP:RS without due diligence prior to their addition.

Your conduct is inexcusable, and it is hard to dispute that your previous behaviour a few months ago is harder to defend now that the edits follow protocol by using a wikisource (and both of you are still acting like this). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.119.86.58 (talk) 16:25, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Drat. I seem to have missed the fun. - Sitush (talk) 21:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Solanki and Kachwaha

Checkout my reference and source link for Solanki and Kachwaha Kunal Singh Solanki Nathawat (talk) 05:57, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Where? All your edits appear to have been to the Nathawat article, which has no references and has been repeatedly recreated by you despite the deletion discussion. - Sitush (talk) 06:18, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Communities of Mithila category

Hi, I added those communities based on the information in this source: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=A0i94Z5C8HMC&pg=PA33&dq=bhumihars+mithila&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjBm721p9nRAhVOF8AKHaj3Du8Q6AEIHzAB#v=onepage&q=bhumihars%20mithila&f=false

Also the Bhumihar page has Maithili listed under languages, surely it would be okay for me to add those communities back again into the category? ThanksDamien2016 (talk) 22:26, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Kautilya3 and Utcursch: any idea whether this ^^^ book by Makhan Jha is reliable? @Damien2016: assuming Jha is reliable, you really need to incorporate it in the articles before adding the category. Categories are as subject to WP:V as anything else, and it makes sense to actually follow that through by providing the source in order to avoid situations such as the one you have experienced where I removed the cats. - Sitush (talk) 22:51, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

No, never heard of him. As you know, I generally frown on publishers that don't copyright the books they publish. But M.D. Publications crops up often, and they get cited a lot on Wikipedia. The books generally seem to be by serious academics from regional Universities or Colleges, but they are often not discriminating between authenticated history and traditions. So one has to be careful in using them and cross-check with other sources. I have at least found one book review for you. But the reviewer might also be in the same category of regional academics. There is a Routledge book on Mithila [10]. So that can be used to cross-check information. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 23:57, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Kautilya3 . Scanned through a few pages of caste-related content. Seems like a decent book to me. utcursch | talk 00:38, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, folks. - Sitush (talk) 10:10, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh, but I think the commmon phrasing for such cats would mean Category:Social groups of Mithila. It might also mean removing Category:Social groups of Bihar if that is already present in any of the articles. - Sitush (talk) 10:13, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Requesting help in getting more indic authors for the article

Hi,

I did start with a new article Rameshwari Photocopy Service shop copyright case here on en wp. I am looking for more involvement from Indic wikipedians in building the article since I suppose it will help improve over all awareness regarding Copyright law of India among indic wikipedians. Can you help me recruit more Indic hands for this article.

Secondly I can concentrate more on local language wikipedia article than here.

Rgds Mahitgar (talk) 10:11, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I think you should ask at WT:INB - that's the talk page for the India Wikiproject, a gathering-place for people who are interested in subjects relating to the country. - Sitush (talk) 10:14, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Edit question

Any explanation to this edit? The book in question is clearly not a Wikipedia mirror. --Soman (talk) 18:16, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

See User:Sitush/Common#Gyan. Pretty much everything published by Gyan/Kalpaz/ISHA is a mirror, a copyright violation or an assemblage of violations. We don't use their stuff. - Sitush (talk) 18:17, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Gyan_.2F_Kalpaz_.28again.29. - Sitush (talk) 18:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Jhajjar

I know the cite was missing but still sources could be found. Shawrix (talk) 14:31, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

That is not what you said in your edit summary when you accused me of vandalism. The section reads like a copy/paste from somewhere. You're welcome to rebuild it using proper sources and bearing in mind the information at WP:COPYRIGHT. - Sitush (talk) 14:33, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry If I offended you, I should have checked it much more, I will try my best to rebuild it, I just misjudged the whole thing. Best Regards. Shawrix (talk) 14:35, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

No problem. - Sitush (talk) 15:00, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Modi

As you must have noticed, I've nominated that page at GAN, partly because I see that as a way of providing insulation against the constant puffery that makes its way into the article. Now I know you're far too involved to review it yourself, but I'd appreciate it if you looked over the prose at some point, particularly with respect to issues of neutrality, as we've had problems with promotional content before, and I've spent so much time with the sources that I sometimes cannot see the wood for the trees. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 10:27, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh God, if there is a God, save my soul, if I have a soul. I keep going back to it but the thing depresses me so much. I'll take another look but, like you, I have been rather involved and my eye keeps drifting to sources such as this. - Sitush (talk) 10:46, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah...that sort of thing is rather depressing, isn't it. My inner Wikipedian reads in and screams "but mythology is not a WP:RS." Vanamonde (talk) 11:39, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Meghwal page

I was told to write a message here to get help on an edit? Needed help with an edit I made on 'meghwal' page. I used a link from the bottom of the page (already a reference' but it said this is not reliable? so why is it already being used? Anonymous Review (talk) 14:44, 26 January 2017 (UTC) Anonymous Review (talk) 14:44, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I am about to log off and won't be back for at least 24 hours, possibly even Saturday. I'll take a look then. - Sitush (talk) 14:50, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

@Anonymous Review: I have now taken a look but I am afraid that I am mystified. There have been a lot of reverts on that article but I do not know which one applies here. I suspect you edited as an IP and then created your account. If so, that makes things a bit awkward because if you tell me which edit you refer to then you will effectively be connecting your account to the IP address - you probably do not want to do that. I'm not sure what the way forward may be in these circumstances. - Sitush (talk) 19:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Betty Tebbs DYK

Created Betty Tebbs today. In a rush but could be a DYK nom - arrested at 89 y.o. etc. - Sitush (talk) 14:52, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Is that an invitation? I'd be happy to do some formatting and see the nomination through, if that's cool with you. Vanamonde (talk) 15:03, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Okay, went ahead and nominated it, after doing some reorganization. Here's the nomination Template:Did you know nominations/Betty Tebbs, please feel free to mess with the hooks. I'll see the nomination through. Vanamonde (talk) 17:42, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I think you should take the credit for that, not me. I rather rushed it through, knowing that I would have to go away for a bit and that I may not be around much for the next few days. You have improved it no end. - Sitush (talk) 19:25, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

My pleasure. DYK's liberal rules mean that we will both receive credit, but that's a by-the-way: I enjoy writing about lifelong activists, and have written several other such pieces...Vanamonde (talk) 07:23, 28 January 2017 (UTC)