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The Bugle: Issue LXX, January 2012

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Carl DeMaio/reliable source

Hi. With respect, I removed the "reliable source" tag again. There are at least a few reasons why the blog post qualifies as a reliable source. First, the writer of the blog post, Dave Maass, is a reliable source. Second, San Diego CityBeat, which runs the blog, qualifies as a reliable source. Third, the statement that the source supports ("In the article, DeMaio's spokesman confirmed that his office had created and edited the page") is based on a direct quote by DeMaio's spokesman ("I apologize, I was not aware of Wikipedia’s policy"). I will cross-post this on the DeMaio talk page. If you have any responses, would you kindly post them there? Athene cunicularia (talk) 17:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Asian-American Sport Section - Jeremy Lin

Hi, I was just confused about the Sports section in the Asian-American article. Says Jeremy Lin's signing (2010) was the first in 50 years (NBA). But earlier in the section it says Raymond Townsend played 1978-1982 (which would only it make it only 28 years). Tried to edit to make it East Asian but the edit was reverted back. Not trying to take over, just genuinely confused. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.63.176 (talk) 04:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

This discussion would best be located at Talk:Asian American; that being said, if there is less gap time, then it would be better to change that information, as long as the change can be supported by a reliable source, otherwise it maybe subject to WP:BURDEN. Additionally, the article is not to there to specify whether an individual is East Asian American, Southeast Asian American, or South Asian American, but about all Asian Americans as a group. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:04, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Mimi Alford

Could you add that she attended Miss Porter's? The NY Post source mentions it. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.72.134 (talk) 21:09, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

It's already mentioned in the Miss Porter's School article. You can be bold and add it into the Mimi Alford article yourself if you would like. However, reading the article as it is now, it will need to be rewritten for the fact to be placed in a non-awkward fashion. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue LXXI, February 2012

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Vargas

I suspect you're aware of 3RR, so perhaps it isn't necessary to advise you not to edit Jose Antonio Vargas for a while, but just in case... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:55, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning; same can be said of User:Bbb23. Please be so kind to let that editor know as well. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:57, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Nah -- at least some of Bbb23's edits fall quite clearly under the BLP exemption to 3RR. (btw, not a warning, rather a friendly notice) Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

And once again you're done at Vargas today. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:58, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Huh? My changes regard different, sometimes new content. Why am I the only editor who appears to be getting these warnings/notices? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:04, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to assist other editors as you wish if you would like to help them avoid getting into difficulties with 3RR. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:07, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
That doesn't answer my question, why I am getting warned/noticed, why are other editors who make more than three changes to the article in question not also warned/noticed?
Changes made by myself do not violate WP:BLP. The tone is neutral, the content verified, and there is no original research. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:11, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hi. Thanks for your message. I did not see that the user had deceased when I was removing the templates (if you see my contributions I was doing a fair few in one go), so I have accordingly restored the template, which should be okay as cat=no is used so they don't show in the admin category. Hope this helps, The Helpful One 18:09, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:11, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Bothwell article

I'm totally unfamiliar with the correct method for conducting this discussion, but I believe that you have expressed the intent to delete or otherwise remove from Wikipedia the article about my father, Frederick Charles Bothwell, Jr. which I wrote some time ago and have maintained since.

That judgement on your part is evidently based on a perceived failure to meet the standards of suitable prominence for either military or civilian subjects.

I would point out the following points made in the article (and mostly documented in the NYT Obituary)which, to me, seem to meet the requisite criteria:

MILITARY: He was at one time the youngest Colonel in the US Army Air Force He played a prominent role in a significant military event (the recovery of downed aircrew from Yugoslavia) His service was recognized by two of the highest allied awards to US personnel: the OBE (Mil) and the Croix de Guerre avec Palme CDG: "The medal is awarded to those who have been "mentioned in despatches", meaning a heroic deed or deeds were performed" OBE (Mil):From 1940, a person could be appointed a Commander, Officer or Member of the Order of the British Empire for gallantry, for acts of bravery (not in the face of the enemy) which were below the level required for the George Medal,

CIVILIAN: He was appointed to two of the highest level staff jobs in NY State Governmental following the war: 1. Director of NY State Civil defense - responsible for managing Civil Defense plans to enable NY State (then the most populous state) to survive the nuclear holocaust of an anticipated attack by the Soviet Union during the Cold War 2. Chief Executive Officer of the NY State Liquor Authority - an office responsible for maintaining the highest standards of integrity in the regulation of one of the most challenging areas of State supervision 3. His obituary was published in the NY Times, a sign of some professional prominence among editors and readers of the NY Times.

Please be patient with my lack of knowledge of Wikipedia editorial process, and let me know if this explanation is an adequate justification for retention of the article in question, or how it might be otherwise retained on the site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frebo3 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

The proper response to my PROD would be to remove the PROD and add Template:Old prod full to the pages talk page, with your reasoning why the PROD is contested; see WP:DEPROD. After this I will file an AfD to open a discussion to delete the article at which point the community will discuss the merits of the AfD and the notability of the subject of the article in question. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Additionally, although I assume good faith regarding work done regarding the article of Frederick Charles Bothwell, Jr. please see WP:COI. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:58, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I think I've successfully removed the PROD and added my objection in the right format to the talk page. Would you please verify that for me? I gather that the ball is back in your court now. I'm nearly baffled by the acronyms and markup conventions in use here.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frederick Charles Bothwell, Jr.

I think we can move away from simply his military career. There are citations in the NY Times for the other aspects of his work. I've added one such to the article and changed my own !vote to reflect what I now see as his notability. The article is poor, yes, but I think it is the right side of the notability criteria to stay. Your mileage may vary, but I ask you to have a further look at the article and also to try some google searches constructed rather artfully and see what you come up with. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 20:40, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Politicians and ethnic group infoboxes

Hi! I notice at Hmong American you removed the infobox of Mee Moua because Moua is a politician. But Barack Obama is in the infobox at African American and he is also a politician. Hispanic and Latino Americans includes Sotomayor who is on the supreme court.

I don't think including Moua's image is necessarily givin a political bias to the infobox WhisperToMe (talk) 19:01, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I am of two opinions, although many are opposed to any individual's images in the infobox when it is about an ethnicity or race (of which I am not one of them), if there are there should be either of two things:
  • No politicians or political appointees, keeping with WP:NEU as not to create any sense of political bias (that's what a section on a group's politics lower in an article is for (and even that has to be non-bias and balanced (keeping with WP:DUE)).
  • If politicians and/or political appointees are to be included in the infobox, one representative from each side of the political spectrum should be included. They should (or the attempt should be) be of equal rank (see Order of precedence) or as close as that is possible.
If one wants to discuss specifically about Hmong Americans perhaps we should continue this discussion at that article's talk page as not to appear to be a cabal, if any edit comes of this discussion.
I don't presently have a history of (heavy) editing at the African American or Hispanic and Latino Americans articles; not that I may not get an interest sometime in the future.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:39, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
In general, for proposed solution #2, what if the ethnic group has demonstrated a preference for choosing politicians of a particular ideology or political party?
I may start a new discussion page for Hmong Americans - that would be a good idea
WhisperToMe (talk) 05:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I started Talk:Hmong_American#Images_of_politicians WhisperToMe (talk) 05:34, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXII, March 2012

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Recent Activity

Greetings,

First, I dropped a note on The Citadel External Affairs Office on Facebook (knew that ap was good for something!) about whether they have or ever had a Master of the Sword. No answer yet.

Second, I was intrigued by a couple of things about the uniform associated with Jose Calugas. The awards (ribbons) on the uniform don't match those one the wikipedia page; the uniform shows at least two Good Conduct Medals and the Occupation Medal that we don't show. The name tag is one that we wore with the Army Green uniform and I don't remember them being used with the older uniforms; it was before my time. I was wondering if the museum took some liberties. This is partly based on a walking tour of USS Alabama. It included a pass through "warrant officer country," where a nice Army warrant officer uniform was hanging in a locker. Whatever.

--Gaarmyvet (talk) 00:24, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Let's continue this activity at the Jose Calugas article, so that way we don't appear to be creating a cabal. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:46, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Nathan Fletcher - requesting review of recent edits

I notice you tagged this article for a number of issues. I've cleared up a few of them, I think. As noted on the Talk page, there was some copyvio from the subject's web page for the California Assembly. I'm not sure I've fixed all of that, but I addressed some of it. There are still quite a few details I haven't been able to verify. I've [citation needed]-tagged most of them. Yakushima (talk) 16:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Medal ID you requested on the WikiProject talk page

Hi, I asked colleagues in the Orders and Medals Society of America about the medal in the picture (Calugas). They are of the opinion it is a type 2 Philippines Distinguished Conduct Star on an incorrect or horribly faded ribbon. Cheers! Fdutil (talk) 15:14, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey

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MLB Rivalries Talk Page

I just wanted to let you know that I responded to your comment on the page if you are still interested in the discussion.Ultimahero (talk) 16:20, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

War on Women

I see you participated in last month's AfD for "War on Women"; that article was reinstated yesterday.--24dot (talk) 17:34, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


Quick Note, War on Women has been renominated for Deletion--209.6.69.227 (talk) 19:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/War_on_Women_(2nd_nomination)--209.6.69.227 (talk) 12:24, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

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GOCE July 2012 Copy Edit Drive

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Image galleries

In accordance with WP:Galleries, I have removed the unit crests at Distinctive unit insignia. If you look at Category:Wikipedia image galleries, you'll see it's duplicating a number of existing image gallery articles, all of which, in accordance with WP:Galleries, should be on Commons (eg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Field_Army_insignia_of_the_United_States_Army). Buckshot06 (talk) 03:11, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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July 2012

This was a very poor edit. We do not include lists of non-notable "victims" on Wikipedia per WP:NOTMEMORIAL; and, per Help:Reverting, the reversion tool is to be used only in cases of vandalism or edits which degrade the article in a manner akin to vandalism. If you abuse your revert right it will be revoked. As the editor wishing to depart from project consensus the onus is on you to present compelling reasons in talk to include this material, or to point to such a consensus having already been reached. This you have not done. In the future, you should try to find a compromise version rather than just blind-reverting changes you do not like. Your call. --John (talk) 19:47, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Please see WP:CIVIL & WP:AVOIDYOU. The above statement does not adhere to either and appears to be a threat against my editing.
The action, (the removal by the above editor) in question, was done boldly and thus is subject to reversion; furthermore, the content was verified by use of reliable sources. If there is consensus for removal of the content, than the content can be removed after a discussion on the talk page per WP:BRD
In the future please do not threaten myself or other editors as have been done above. Further threats maybe reported per normal protocal.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:53, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Uh huh. I see bluster but I do not see any substantive response to my concerns. I stand by everything I said. WP:DRNC is an interesting essay which may help you to avoid running into sanctions by repeating your mistake. Again, it is totally up to you how you wish to proceed. I strongly suggest learning from this and improving your adherence to our norms in future if you wish to retain your privileges, but you must do as you see fit. It isn't necessary to send me a {{tb}} template, as I will watch this page. --John (talk) 20:01, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the link to the essay. However, the statement above still contains content, being the threat of reduction of editing privileges because the above editor disagrees with a reversion of an edit, that does not appear to adhere to WP:CIVIL. I understand that other editors may disagree with edits from time to time, but that does not mean that editors, especially those entrusted with administrator privileges, should threaten other editors due to disagreements that they may have with one another when those times arise.
Please in the future, refrain from threatening other editors.
If, in regards to this disagreement, a simple please see template was used to direct myself to the discussion that is ongoing at the talk page of the War on Terror article, the incivility would not have been created; the incivility in this case being the threat of reduction of editing ability.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:56, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
If you perceive my polite message reminding you of your obligation to adhere to our policies as a threat, that is your problem, not mine. You were wrong to revert me without a rationale based in policy. You were wrong to blanket-revert my changes, rather than the ones you specifically disagreed with. You are wrong on the content issue too, which is ok, but it is not ok to just revert edits you disagree with. If you continue to do this, it is likely your privileges will be restricted. If you wish to avoid this, you should change your editing behaviour. I am not sure why you refer in your message to he War on Terror article, as it was not the one we were discussing. Other than that, I have nothing further to say to you regarding your conduct, and I think you should concentrate on crafting a proper rationale for the material you wish to include in the article, if you still wish it to be included. --John (talk) 17:12, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Please again, see WP:AVOIDYOU, the message above appears to be incivil. I thank other editors in attempting to improve my editing, as I have remained a positive contributor to Wikipedia. That being said, incivility leads others to stop editing and thus reduces the number of positive editors that wikipedia has. In the past I have taken WikiBreaks due to incivility from other editors which negatively impacted my ability to positively contribute to wikipedia as a whole.
Again, please refrain from threatening other editors.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:18, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I am intimately familiar with WP:AVOIDYOU; I am not making a personal attack however, as I am not commenting on you but on your edits. Please muse on this distinction; if you are able to learn to take others' criticism of your conduct in your stride, you have the potential to become a better editor. If you are not, you will have a miserable time here and probably end up being blocked. You are free to now have the last word as I will not reply further here, but I undertake to keep an occasional eye on your edits in the future to ensure you do not repeat this sort of behaviour, for your good and that of the encyclopedia. All the best, --John (talk) 17:42, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Please refer to WP:WIKIHOUNDING, please do not as stated above "keep an occasional eye on your edits in the future to ensure you do not repeat this sort of behaviour". Such action would violate WP:CIVIL, and be a determent to my positive contribution to Wikipedia.
Additionally, the previous statements have contained threats, as described at WP:HA#Threats.
As such I will notify the appropriate noticeboard.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:51, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of 2012 Roanoke Obama campaign speech

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ANI

An Editor has taken your name here [1] but has not informed you , AS per the ANI policies I am informing you, regards--DBigXray 17:44, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:50, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of 2012 Roanoke Obama campaign speech for deletion

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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 Roanoke Obama campaign speech until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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That was fast.– Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 04:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Have you seen this {{Infobox speech}}? – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 04:48, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I hadn't. Thanks for letting me know about it.
Also, the image below, is that meant as something like a Barnstar, or a wikicookie?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:50, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Cookie. Take a bite--he's delish.– Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 05:14, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

← If you believe that this particular speech is worthy of a standalone article, do you also believe we should write a standalone article entitled "corporations are people, my friend"? The phrase gets 56 million Google hits, and 20,000 Google News hits, thus fulfilling the criteria under which you've advocated for the Obama speech article. How about Romney Hood (26 million Google hits, 49,000 Google News hits)? What do you think? MastCell Talk 02:58, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm still interested in your response, if you'd care to provide one. MastCell Talk 18:51, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Notability is to be determined on a case by case basis while looking at the appropriate notability guidelines that cover the subject. I would not object to other users creating articles which they believe are notable; other editors may differ on their opinion, and other may feel strongly enough to bring at article up for AfD due to their opinion. That is all I will say regarding the two subjects which you are inquiring about.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:53, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
OK, I'll let you plead the Fifth and draw my own conclusions. MastCell Talk 21:27, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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You are a STAR!

This may be a little premature, but with the !voting about to close and the Keeps at +2, I'll bet ψ100 wikidollars you get a "No consensus."
– Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 04:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

KEEP! My wikimoney was on No consensus. Impressive save. – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 05:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Although there were statements about the dislike of the "wall of text" and the unnecessary actions of replying to every new !vote that occurred, I believe that the practice helped focus the though process on both sides on why we believed that it should be kept, and they believed it should not be. By discussing their reasoning thoroughly and rebuking that reasoning with a logical argument, it is my belief that is why a KEEP was the outcome rather than no consensus.
Thanks for the acknowledgement by the way, and your continued efforts.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:44, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
How did you like the T-shirt I made for you and added to the article? – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 00:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, and a question

With regard to how those who self identify as military experts came to the {{afd}} on articles I started -- I have always been aware that normal and policy-compliant use of deletion sorting could easily explain this, without leveling suggestions of non-policy-compliant off-wiki solicitation of !votes. I too have been unfairly accused of off-wiki solicitation. It it not pleasant.

Thanks for your friendly good faith advice on my suggestion we initiate a new guideline that would cover all extrajudicial captives.

What I was hoping for was that those who read the reasons in User:Geo Swan/BLPs started 2011-02 to 2012-08 would help clarify how we interpret "one event" by taking a stand, like "IMO those are all second events, except being listed on a 'most wanted' list." Or, "IMO 'writing a book' is a second event -- all the other reasons you suggest remain part of the original 'single event'."

Thanks Geo Swan (talk) 11:08, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Asian Americans

Thanks for your award from last year [2]. I'm interested in becoming more active on articles about Asian Americans. Could you direct me on how to find articles that need work? I found Asian Americans in arts and entertainment by a fluke. thanks--Aichikawa (talk) 16:44, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Copied your comment

The discussion on the most decorated person in the Viet Nam War has moved to Talk:Joe Hooper (Medal of Honor) now that Jorge Otero Barreto is no longer in the running. Since I thought it was pertinent, I took the liberty of copying your post to the new discussion (after editing out material pertaining to Sgt Otero).--Lineagegeek (talk) 20:40, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

RTAFB

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I have emailed the publisher, requesting permission. I am awaiting a response.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:11, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Decorations in Viet Nam

My question for you is should this be kept up. I see the dispute tag has once more been removed by Tony the Marine, who apparently thinks recent edits have removed any conflict. I don't agree. On the other hand, I have told him that I think this issue has degenerated into bickering. The poisition of the "removers", if I understand it, is that being the most decorated soldier in the Viet Nam War does not conflict with being called the most decorated soldier in the Viet Nam war. I could agree with this if proper emphasis were given to the "being called" through caveats. None exist in the article at present. I do not believe that the average encyclopedia reader would see this distinction. If this continues, I intent to at least point out that the statement as currently inserted in the article violates WP:MOS. It contains quotation marks and is followed by three cites. None of the cites makes the statment in the article verbatim. Lineagegeek (talk) 22:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I would suggest that since there is still disagreement, and thus not consensus (see WP:DEFINECONSENSUS#Not a majority vote), to continue discussing in a a WP:CIVIL manor regarding the concerns that may still exist with the article.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 09:31, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Please stop making false accusations about me. I have made numerous discussions on the talk page, and see my diffs please
The first was to add references to support the inclusion of the term liberal.
The second was a merger of duplicated content that was found later in the article.
The third was to re-add a word that was removed here.
Two of these can be seen as reversions, IMHO. I will stop editing the article until discussions have completed, I can ask others to please do the same.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:14, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

The complete report of this case is at WP:AN3#User:RightCowLeftCoast reported by User:Viriditas (Result: 48h). Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 02:14, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I understand. However, I hope that you please look at other editors actions in tag teaming. Others have stated that their goal is to make this article unbalanced in what they view as making neutral POV by creating an article that is predominately anti-Romney. As I have said, I am no longer going to be editing that article space, and hope that others will take it upon themselves to attempt to keep the article neutral.
Moreover, the reporting editor may have done so, although he was not a participant in the discussion that talk page, or in editing that article, may have reported me due to past uncivil interaction with myself. Although I have explained myself here, and elsewhere, that I was attempting in good faith to support my edits, the reporting editor statement showed that he did not assume good faith regarding my edits by making the statement here. Is this a case of hounding? I do not know, perhaps others may find out.
Let it be known that I have faced personal attacks by other editors during the discussion regarding the article I am voluntarily stating and choosing no longer to edit, and that I have so far been the only one punished, and thus persecuted for my actions. If I continue down this path, I imagine that my account will be martyred.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:43, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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