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Magical alphabet[s]

You moved Magical alphabets to Magical alphabet per WP:SINGULAR. May I direct you in turn to WP:PLURAL#Exceptions? — "There are two main types of exceptions to this rule: • Articles on groups or classes of specific things. Some examples: ... • Articles that actually distinguish among multiple distinct instances of related items can be sensibly given a plural title when the alternative would be to create an inappropriately large number of short articles, one on each instance. The various Zeno's paradoxes, for instance, are incorporated into one article, with a correspondingly plural name."

This article is not about a magical alphabet, but about "multiple distinct instances" of magical alphabets. Please reconsider. – .Raven  .talk 12:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that the topic here is a "class" or that it "distinguish[es] among multiple distinct instances of related items", but rather that it is a general concept like Artificial script consisting of several unrelated things. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:56, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Mm. Alphabet of the Magi, Celestial Alphabet, Malachim, and Transitus Fluvii (Passing the River) have Hebrew as their "parent system", which makes them "related". Also, the last three of those, plus a greater number besides them, were created by Agrippa, another interrelation. And of course the "Magical" prefix, indicating their use by the community of occultists, makes them topically related. There is no single "the magical alphabet", so the changed title could easily mislead. That the center of the article is a list of magical alphabets, which (if that were all to it) would make the title "List of magical alphabets", also weighs toward the plural. – .Raven  .talk 22:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@.Raven: Please start an RM to discuss this issue further. I am still fully confident that WP:PLURAL does not apply, as there are other alphabets with different sources, such as the runes which were originally used for writing Old Norse. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Runes, as you'll see in the infobox, include as "parent systems" Greek, Phoenician, and Proto-Sinaitic. Cf. Hebrew alphabet, which likewise includes Phoenician and Proto-Sinaitic among its parent systems. Related again!

But if you insist, then I will start an RM. – .Raven  .talk 01:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@.Raven: But not all descendants of the Phoenician alphabet are considered to be "magical". –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

That's why the article isn't listing "all descendants of the Phoenician alphabet", just alphabets which are considered to be "magical", their topical relationship — as I mentioned above. Some alphabets are too familiar to have any secrecy in transcription, or the aura of mystique that more rarely seen alphabets provide. Being hard for outsiders (the "uninitiated") to read or understand is a plus for occultists' manuscripts... a relic from the days of heretic-hunts and witch-hunts. If the alphabet has spent most of its existence dedicated to a magical purpose, even better. The divination process Tacitus recorded — and the verses in Hávamál, notably Rúnatal (Odin's finding of the runes) and Ljóðatal (whose charms Osborn and Longland tie to specific runes) — give a strong sense of such a long continued association with what we call magic. Newer alphabets published or written by, and for use by, occultists, likewise have spent their existence dedicated to that purpose.

That's stressing the (plural) subjects' history, which their separate articles can better cover. If we focus on the reader, and what he sees going through article lists, which title will give a more accurate mental picture of the topic discussed there? Magical alphabet looks like it covers just one such alphabet; Magical alphabets promises plurality. Which would you find more interesting if your pursuits included magic? – .Raven  .talk 07:06, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion, it is very unlikely that an RM will work. The concept here is singular (a magical alphabet) and then there are examples; this is like horses. Arabic numerals are completely different: the concept “an Arabic numeral” doesn’t exist in isolation. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 10:20, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

As per the example quoted up top, each of the various Zeno's paradoxes does exist in isolation quite nicely, but we group them anyway, because they share (a) being paradoxes, and (b) by Zeno. (There are also thematic resemblances.) Each of the magical alphabets exists in isolation quite nicely, but we group them in that article because they share (a) being alphabets and (b) being "magical" in use and association. (To which their histories contribute.) Should the example's article be renamed Zeno's paradox, because the individual paradoxes are examples of a theme? – .Raven  .talk 13:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Zeno's paradox is a completely different situation where it is an article about several things, each of which individually could be the subject of an article called "Zeno's paradox". Each of the magical alphabets has its own name (Alphabet of the Magi, Celestial Alphabet, Malachim etc.); none of them could individually be the subject of an article called "Magical alphabet". A simple test: you cannot write "A Zeno's paradox is ...", and you can write "Zeno's paradox is ..." but only if you pick a single one of them to write about. By comparison, it is easy to complete the sentence "A magical alphabet is ..." . 100.36.106.199 (talk) 14:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

> you cannot write "A Zeno's paradox is ..." – because you cannot write "a Zeno"
when referring to the individual of that name; but you can write "A paradox by Zeno is...", and quite feasibly continue "... on the difficulty of calculations involving infinitesimals." Then list examples. – .Raven  .talk 14:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

you can write "A paradox by Zeno is...", and quite feasibly continue "... on the difficulty of calculations involving infinitesimals." I don't think this is true. (It is my inference that our host does not appreciate this discussion continuing here, so this will be my last comment in this discussion; apologies LaundryPizza.) 100.36.106.199 (talk) 22:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

If that phrasing displeases you, please feel free to substitute any generalization of which you approve. I'm not in any way bound to the specifics, just trying to demonstrate what "you can write" about the singular term... even though, per WP:PLURAL, we use the plural term. – .Raven  .talk 23:49, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

For failure to do so, I have opened an RM at the article's talk page. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:49, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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Edit conflict

I just thought I'd start to work on the backlog, when I was surprised to see you close the discussion as was about to do. Keep up the good work! Qwerfjkltalk 20:17, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

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@Qwerfjkl: I was the one who initiated this CfD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. But you also created Category:Building collapses in 1987 which I tagged as part of the nomination. There isn't really an easy way for my script to determine who the nominator is. — Qwerfjkltalk 10:00, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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Listification of category:Uses of animals in warfare

That turns out to be unnecessary, as all three entries are already mentioned in Military animal. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:19, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 29#Category:Bohemian lawyers

Hello, LaundryPizza03,

You closed this CFD discussion as "Rename and Merge" but instead Category:15th-century Bohemian lawyers was emptied and the new category was never created. Can you look into why this instruction wasn't carried out as you requested? Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: According to the page history [1] [2], the user Smasongarrison (talk · contribs) did all the processing about half an hour before you deleted the category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:51, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

My understanding was that both were to be merged into the renamed Lawyers from Bohemia, so there wasn't a new category to create. Mason (talk) 04:22, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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You tagged this template for deletion but it linked to a CFD discussion, not a TFD discussion. I'm not sure this deletion has been discussed among the folks at TFD. I see deletion is mentioned at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2023/September but a WikiProject doesn't have the right to order a page deletion. Could you bring this up at TFD? Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:26, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

According to the WP:CFD rules, stub types are nominated for deletion at CfD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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Future for Ukraine

Hi there.

I edited https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Future_for_Ukraine_Charity_Foundation . Could you review this article? -- Niveus (talk) 08:52, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@Niveus: I'm not experienced with reviewing drafts, and I don't speak Ukrainian. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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Category deletion

Hi, LaundryPizza03, how are you? I see that you've tagged several categories for deletion as sock creations – for which thank you! – but that no-one seems to want to delete them. That could be because they are not empty (it is in my case, anyway, reluctant to leave a mess of redlinks). Would you care to empty them, perhaps by just reverting edits such as this? I've tried to do so with Kill-it-with-fire, but with only partial success. I'm afraid the rest may need to be done manually ... Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

About your self-reverted relist

Hey LaundryPizza03, I noticed you trying to relist that massive RfD. I'd hold off on that, as the discussion has already been open for a month, and there's been ample argument. I'm actually in the process of writing up a closing note for it. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 14:40, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Deaths by country

We have many articles directly in deaths by country. Algeria might lead right now with 12. However, what if the article is specifically on a death, not a bio? Can such an article be placed directly in a death category based on where it occured?John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert: Sounds plausible, but I don't know. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Challenging your close

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Recent removal of my lawn post

hi, you recently removed one of my posts and I wanted to get more specifics about why since your message was vague. I have to create posts for an assignment in one of my classes and I was using an article that we had read to create my post. I can share the details of my assignment if that would help you understand why I posted what I did.

if you do not agree that my post should be up could you at least point me in the direction of where I can see what I had written... i spent a lot of time adding my citations to my work and would like to see where all that work went

thank you PrestotheUnicorn (talk) 03:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@PrestotheUnicorn: You could rewrite existing sections of the article, which in the case of Lawn are currently poorly referenced. Recall that you are writing an encyclopedia, not a collection of essays. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:58, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

but how can i view the work i did and all the citations i added PrestotheUnicorn (talk) 04:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@PrestotheUnicorn: You can load the page history by clicking "View history" at the top of the article; this button appears at the bottom on mobile view, being represented by a clock. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Jurists

Hi, all your speedy renames need to be reversed. You are using the word "jurist" incorrectly, at least from a British and Commonwealth perspective. A jurist is usually an academic. DuncanHill (talk) 19:24, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@DuncanHill: Please appeal to CfD full discussion. This would entail all of the subcategories of Category:Jurists that are not specialized by occupation. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

One more thought on music categories

In theory as you diffuse categories to small sub-sets, like Dutch blues mandolinists, the last I checked there was 1 article on a Dutch mandolinist, and it was in this sub-cat, so in theory this sub-cat avoids having the article in 3 cats that would be larges, blues musicians, duch musicians and mandolinists. So the theory is by allowing this 1 article sub-cat where at least 1 parent cat has no direct articles and just 1 sub-cat we cut down on Category clutter on the individual article level. The reality is some of the most overcategorized articles we have, only exceeded by long serving British politicians and well traveling monarchs who were awarded an honorary award in each country they visited, and Musicians. Alliwing these hyper small categories does not solve issues, but I think allows people to use their imagination in classifying by every instrument and creating 1 song geners.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:37, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Madonna and Jennifer López are both literally in over 70 categories. One reason for this, although it only adds maybe 4 categories is that we for some reason Categorize musicians by record label.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:45, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Lopez' husband Ben Affleck is in the slightly more reasonable number of categories, 57. Even that is partly driven by classifying him as "from" several different places, and then as a male actor, director and maybe some other rings from each. A few other cats, like American poker player, strike me as being non-defining in his case.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Winston Churchill is in 108 categories. If that is not a record we have a problem.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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The Amazing World of Gumball FfD

Hi LaundryPizza03. Could you please specify what you're asking for at FfD? In other words, if you think an image should be removed, then please state the it by name. Otherwise, these FfDs are going to get closed as not-actionable. Thanks, FASTILY 21:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

@Fastily: Can you be more specific? I thought it was clear that we should have only one image. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Sure, so for example, in Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2023 November 15#The Amazing World of Gumball (season 2), can you state which image should be kept, and which one should be deleted? Is it File:The Amazing World of Gumball, Vol. 3.jpg or File:The Amazing World of Gumball, Vol. 4.jpg? I'm asking you take a side and express an opinion :) -FASTILY 23:08, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

@Fastily: In all the FfDs except season 2, the images are very similar in composition, so I don't care which one is kept. Why not offer an opinion yourself? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Then why don't you say that at FfD? I'm one of 3 admins who close discussions at FfD, so I don't usually participate. I could of course, also close your nominations as not actionable, but I doubt that's the outcome you want :) -FASTILY 04:15, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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Reverted edit - why?

Hello LaundryPizza03,

I noticed you reverted my edit to the List of satellite map images with missing or unclear data. What was the reason behind this? I feel that it was a legitimate edit and I researched to find this information. What was the reason to undo it? Leejordan9 ^talk
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@Leejordan9: Because you didn't have a secondary source, which is necessary to prove that you have not violated the WP:No original research policy. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:44, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

But there are some entries, like the Lisbon Palace entry, which don't have a source. Can't I just cite Google Earth itself, because it is self-evident that it is blurred out on the map? Leejordan9 ^talk
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No, that is original research. I have removed those entries as well. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:55, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Films about fratricide and sororicide

It looks like this category has become a mixture of two types of article:

1. ) Films where a person kills their legal (/biological) sibling
2. ) Films where people are killed in a Fraternity or (more likely) a Sorority.

The second group, which *looks* like it contains a majority of the article should probably be renamed to something involving Fraternities or Sororities. and doesn't seem appropriate for the rename. Ideas?Naraht (talk) 14:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

@Naraht: Please raise this concern at the CfD, not my talk page. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

I only did so, because the CFD was marked as complete, but I will do so there.Naraht (talk) 13:45, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

CfD closes

Thanks for working on the backlog at CfD. If you are not an administrator, you have to manually tag the pages for G6 deletion or else they won't get deleted—see my CSD log. (t · c) buidhe 17:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

The Cat a lot utility can be set up to work on Wikipedia and is useful for emptying categories that are being deleted. (t · c) buidhe 18:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

List of satellite map images with missing or unclear data

Hey, LaundryPizza03, I apologize for the unintentional mistake. I mistakenly restored the wrong version. Thanks, — Satnam₂₄₀₈^(talk) 07:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Australian tennis players by state or territory

Hey there! Just wanted to add to this: The Cfd on Australian tennis players which you closed: one of the categories needs to be merged and the rest are to be renamed.

Not sure how this works entirely - maybe it will turn out that way - but just to avoid any issue, I thought I should to let you know that the redirect in this case should be overridden and probably should be reflect in the result of the Cfd, for the sake of clarity. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:57, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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