User talk:Jackmcbarn/Archive 6

Tech News: 2014-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf4) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on May 8. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on May 13, and all Wikipedias on May 15 (calendar).

VisualEditor news

• A new citation system in VisualEditor was enabled on the English Wikipedia. It will soon be enabled on more wikis. [1]
• Templates that were previously broken in VisualEditor should now appear correctly. [2]

Future software changes

• It will soon be possible to move category description pages. Pages in changed categories will still have to be moved independently. [3] [4]
• You will soon be able to clear your watchlist with one click or through the API. [5] [6] [7] [8]
• You will soon be able to link to Flow posts and workflows with Special:Flow. [9] [10]
• The jQuery JavaScript library will soon be updated. Please check that your gadgets and scripts will still work. [11]
• The Vector skin will work faster, as the sidebar will no longer collapse partly after being loaded. [12] [13] [14]
• MediaViewer will be enabled for all users on Wikimedia Commons on May 15. Feedback is welcome.
• An IRC discussion about Phabricator will take place on May 14 at 18:00 UTC on the channel #wikimedia-office on freenode (time conversion). [15]
• Toolserver tools will be stopped on June 30. Please make sure to change gadgets that link to the Toolserver to point to Tool Labs instead. [16]

Problems

• There were problems with generating file thumbnails for all wikis between May 3 and May 6 due to a configuration error. [17] [18]

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06:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-21

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News updates

• Tech News is one year old this week; thank you for being with us!

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf5) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on May 15. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on May 20, and all Wikipedias on May 22 (calendar).
• The jQuery JavaScript library was updated on May 16. Please check that your gadgets and scripts still work. [19] [20] [21]
• MediaViewer was enabled for all users on the Kannada (kn) and Telugu (te) Wikipedias on May 13. It will be enabled on the German (de), English (en), Italian (it) and Russian (ru) Wikipedias and on all Wikisource wikis on May 22. Feedback is welcome. [22] [23]
• VisualEditor was added as a beta feature to Wikimedia Commons on May 15. You can enable it in your preferences. [24] [25]
• You can read a summary of the Wikimedia technical report for April 2014.

VisualEditor news

• VisualEditor's buttons and icons can now be accessed using keyboard keys. [26] [27]
• VisualEditor's new citation tool now matches templates like {{cite_web}} and not just {{Cite web}}. [28] [29]
• VisualEditor's welcome message will no longer be shown to users who have already seen it. [30] [31]
• VisualEditor now shows a clearer message when you cancel an edit. [32]
• The toolbar of the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. [33] [34]

Future software changes

• User ID number will no longer be visible in preferences. [35] [36]

Problems

• For several hours on May 16, there were problems with loading gadgets on some wikis due to a server problem. [37]

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07:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Oxford University Quidditch Club

Hi,

The page has been accepted, and so I thought was fully created - was there a problem that has led it to be put back in review?

Many thanks,

--16:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)Asadmanmyfriend (talk)

We have requirements on who's allowed to accept AfC submissions, and I noticed that the person who accepted yours wasn't allowed to do it, so I had to unaccept it. There's nothing wrong with your page because of this, and it will be re-reviewed shortly. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:24, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Donald Sterling

Greetings! You have been randomly selected to receive an invitation to participate in the request for comment on Talk:Donald Sterling. Should you wish to respond to the invitation, your contribution to this discussion will be very much appreciated! If in doubt, please see suggestions for responding. If you do not wish to receive these types of notices, please remove your name from Wikipedia:Feedback request service. — Legobot (talk) 00:12, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Debra Cafaro

Hi, I am not sure when you will see this; this is my first time contributing to Wikipedia and I think it is very confusing! At any rate I understand your question about Debra Cafaro. I will be adding the sources once I complete the article and then, once I figure out how to add the sources. I may write back to you with more questions, but I am doing this one step at a time. I have a number of sources to add, so I expect it might take a couple of days. I hope that is alright. Thank you. Lisweiner (talk) 19:19, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's fine. You have a week to get the sources added. Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:21, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

My apologies

Sorry, I merely looked at my edit count and saw 900. I assumed that would qualify. Thank you for your correction and for letting me know. Jns4eva ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (talk) 21:55, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Error message and AfC helper script

You had kindly removed my name from the list of reviewers as the edit count is 376. Actually, it is 520? But I think you are counting only on the main page which is 376? (https://tools.wmflabs.org/supercount/index.php?user=AnanthanarayanaSharma&project=en.wikipedia)

I got an "error message" on my user page, " AFCH error: user not listed" - with instruction to request access for AfC helper script. Anything I have to do, to respond to this error message? As what I did earlier seems to be wrong?

Anant (talk) 17:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

@AnanthanarayanaSharma: Indeed, only edits to mainspace count toward the 500 requirement. To make the error go away, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, uncheck the box next to "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", and press Save. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:08, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Moving categories

Hi, Jack,
I asked you in the WP:AN conversation about having a log of category moves. I just checked out the link you provided to me then and it took me to your individual log page on a Beta site. There has to be another way to track category changes without looking at each individual's log pages! Where is the "global" log of category moves (which I think should be separated from article moves)? I don't expect there to be a lot of changes right now because most editors are unaware of the change but it's something I want to monitor because one determined editor has the potential to undo a category tree in a matter of minutes. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:42, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

@Liz: They're in Special:Log/move with the rest of the page move logs. Wikimedia servers run in something called "miser mode" for performance reasons, which precludes filtering log entries by namespace. I suppose I could write a tool on Tool Labs to show these if there's interest. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Jack. There's just a small group of editors who watch categories closely and I'm not sure how many will check out the Log regularly. I think it would be ideal to separate out Category moves from other page moves but I think we need to see how many moves would happen on an ordinary day and we won't know that for a while. But I appreciate the link...I looked through the Special pages and I didn't see it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:54, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

You know what WOULD be useful for everyone? Is if one could filter and just look at page moves under User, User talk, Wikipedia, Category, etc. Every time I've tried to use the filter that is available, I get no results. On the Watchlist, one can just look at, say, Article edits, or Wikipedia pages edits, could you or someone enable a filter like this for the page move log? I think that would benefit not just us but other editors on Wikipedia who track page moves. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:04, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

@Liz:I think I will try to build a tool that does that. Anyway, see WP:AN#All categories that have been moved so far for now. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:06, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually, now that I look at the database, it already has a column for the namespace. I'll just add a feature that allows searching based on that to the log page, rather than build a whole new tool. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:15, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

That makes sense and it sounds like a lot less work! I noticed that one can filter other "Special" logs by type of page (User, Talk, Wikipedia, etc.) so the functionality must be there already. Hopefully, it's code you can borrow, so to speak. Thanks for checking into this. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:58, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-22

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf6) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on May 22. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on May 27, and all Wikipedias on May 29 (calendar).
• MediaViewer will be enabled on all Wikisource wikis on May 29, and on the German (de) and English (en) Wikipedias on June 3. Feedback is welcome.

VisualEditor news

• VisualEditor's welcome message and wikitext warning now say that you can switch to source mode editing and keep your edits without saving them. [38] [39] [40] [41]
• A bug that caused files not to appear after saving edits in the File: namespace was fixed last week. [42] [43]
• VisualEditor tabs will no longer appear in namespaces where VisualEditor is disabled. [44] [45]
• It is now possible to edit inline images with VisualEditor; many minor bugs related to images have also been fixed. [46]
• VisualEditor will no longer convert spaces to underscores inside links to pages in namespaces that include spaces in their names. [47]

Future software changes

• Wikimedia Labs will stop working for about 10 minutes around 18:00 UTC on May 30 due to a server upgrade. [48]
• It will soon no longer be possible to upload different files under the same name at the same time using the UploadWizard tool. [49] [50]
• Links to TIFF, DjVu or PDF files created with the syntax [[File:Name.ext|thumb|page 15 is my favourite]] will now show an image caption if there is any text after page number; previously they caused the given page to appear. [51] [52] [53]
• You will soon see information about global blocks for IP addresses on their contributions page on your local wiki. [54] [55]

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08:29, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Cleanup on aisle seven

Thanks for [56] -- was stupid misclick on tablet, was going to fix when got back to real computer. NE Ent 23:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Sam9318

If they want to blank it, let em. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:28, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I've already started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:User pages#Can block notices be removed while the user is still blocked?. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:29, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

• Ha. Well, let's see if we can agree on something this time. In the meantime, though, I can't help but wonder what purpose it serves. I used to feel righteous when restoring those notices; now it just seems like rubbing it in. There's nothing else they can do anyway. Drmies (talk) 20:58, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

South Orkney Islands geomap

I created the template first, but couldn't get it to work right, and then tried the module. I'm rather confused about how these maps work, but if I now delete the template (keeping the module), will everything still work right? Rigadoun (talk) 19:44, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@Rigadoun: If everything works right now, then yes. Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-23

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf7) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on May 29. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on June 3, and to all Wikipedias on June 5 (calendar).
• CirrusSearch was enabled as the primary search method on all Wikipedias with less than 100,000 pages on May 30. [57]

VisualEditor news

• Templates that redirect to other templates now get the TemplateData of their target. [58]
• The toolbar of the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible after you save an edit with VisualEditor. [59] [60]
• VisualEditor now checks if your browser supports SVG files to avoid displaying broken icons. [61]
• There is now a new type for TemplateData parameters: date for dates and times in the ISO 8601 format. [62]

Future software changes

• MediaViewer will be enabled on the German (de) and English (en) Wikipedias on June 3. Feedback is welcome.
• You will soon see a warning if you visit a contributions page for a user that does not exist. [63] [64]
• The search tab will soon be removed from user preferences. You will be able to set your search preferences on Special:Search. [65] [66]
• You will soon see a label next to the little triangle arrow for the Actions menu in the Vector skin (screenshot). [67] [68]

Problems

• For about 20 minutes on May 29, all wikis were broken due to a configuration error. [69]

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08:07, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of FlashTrek: Resurrection

I have declined your speedy deletion nomination of FlashTrek: Resurrection, as the article is significantly different from the one discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flash Trek 2, and speedy deletion criterion G4 applies only to "A sufficiently identical and unimproved copy ... of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion". That does not mean that the article should not be deleted, but it does men that a new deletion discussion would be needed. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

How do you not understand the concept of "the thing at the bottom of the list"?

This is uniquely defined for any non-empty list.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.238.82 (talk) 21:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Because you said "the second thing in the list" at one point, and "the bottom of the list" at another, and the list has more than 2 elements. How hard is it to just tell us what name you want removed? Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:31, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

The list has two elements. This shouldn't have caused you any difficulty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.238.82 (talk) 21:35, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Then it's not clear which list you mean, because the one I thought you meant has more than 2. That's why we want you to tell us the name to remove. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:37, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I quote: " The second listed actor for playing Darth Vader as a child is wrong, it is not the black kid from That's So Raven.

You'll notice at the top right of the artical there is a list of actors that have played Darth Vader, the lowest (think vertically now, at the bottom) person listed as playing him as a child is black. "

"Second listed actor" "Playing Darth Vader as a child" "Top right of the article there's a list of actors" - this shouldn't shock you, in fact I have come to expect such info boxes on pages! If not have a look!

I then define lowest, referring to the list of actors who played Darth as a child, lowest and the second element of a 2 element list is not an ambiguous description I don't think. Yes explaining lowest armed with just a radio would be difficult because I cannot say "the way things fall" - for all I know you have learnt to do everything upside down, like the monkeys in the book "The Twits", but there is a convention on what "lowest" means, and 2nd. This is the English Wikipedia, so we can assume top to bottom and left to right! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.238.82 (talk) 21:44, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Are you talking about Frankie Ryan Manriquez? Would it have killed you to say that? You also could have said that it said Anakin as a child rather than Darth. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:53, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I honestly thought the first sentence would be sufficient, and that anyone reading it wouldn't have to re-read it or find it difficult. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.238.82 (talk) 21:55, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

In that case,  Not done, as he did indeed voice young Anakin on Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003 TV series). Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:10, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit template

Hi, could you change a template? This template {{ru|FRG}} (→ West Germany) be relinked to "[[Germany national rugby union team|West Germany]]" to avoid redirectioning in the same fashion templates like these: {{fb|FRG}} (West Germany) or {{bk|FRG}} (West Germany) or {{fh|FRG}} (West Germany), which all link directly to Germany teams instead of West Germany? I've requested this almost over a year ago and nothing has happened since. We should avoid redirectionings, which is what happens in this case. Just add this line on the template:

| link alias-rugby union = Germany {{{mw|}}} national {{{age|}}} rugby union team

Everything is detailed on the talk page (Template talk:Country data West Germany). Thank you! Tibullus (talk) 23:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

You added the edit request template only 15 minutes before you posted here, nowhere near a year. Be patient. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

As you can see here Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 113#Avoiding redirection it was almost a year ago. Thanks for the reply. Tibullus (talk) 23:32, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, and back then they told you to submit an edit request, and you didn't do so until just now. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:45, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Ok, great. When do you think it can be changed? I'm asking you because I have no idea where or if I can see the status of the request. Tibullus (talk) 23:58, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Edit requests are normally done within 24 hours, or sometimes it can be a few days if all the patrollers are off doing other things. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 00:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Number of navbox rows

About your editing of the comment on Template talk:Navbox - we still have the following code in p._navbox in Module:Navbox:

    -- Out of order parsing bug.
    local temp;
    temp = frame_args.title;
    temp = frame_args.above;
    for i = 1, 20 do
        temp = frame_args["group" .. tostring(i)];
        temp = frame_args["list" .. tostring(i)];
    end    
    temp = frame_args.below;

So the number of rows isn't limited, but the number that will work properly with ref tags is. Is there anything we can do about that in the module, or should we just change that note rather than remove it? — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 02:48, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

@Mr. Stradivarius: Actually, I have a patch in gerrit to change how <ref> works, so there will be no more out-of-order parsing problem soon. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:56, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Excellent - that should be very helpful for Module:Infobox as well. (And maybe for Capiunto? It was changed last month to preprocess all the text arguments, but I'm not sure if the reasoning behind that had anything to do with ref tags.) — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 04:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-24

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf8) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 5. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on June 10, and to all Wikipedias on June 12 (calendar).
• You can now use guided tours on the Arabic (ar), Bengali (bn) and Norwegian (no) Wikipedias. If you want this tool on your wiki, you need to translate it and ask in Bugzilla. [70] [71]

VisualEditor news

• You should no longer be able to add empty references with VisualEditor. [72] [73]
• The "use an existing reference" button in the reference tool is now shown as disabled, rather than hidden, when the reference has content. [74] [75] [76]
• You will now see category contents again after saving an edit to a category page with VisualEditor. [77] [78]

Future software changes

• MediaViewer will be enabled by default on all wikis on June 12. Feedback is welcome. [79]
• You will be able to use information from Wikidata directly in Wikiquote pages starting on June 10. [80]
• On wikis with the Translate extension enabled, translation administrators will soon be able to use the page migration tool to import existing translations to the new system. [81] [82]
• You will soon see metadata on file description pages for Ogg files (example video, example audio). Some metadata with non-English characters may need to be purged or transcoded to UTF-8 before they show correctly. [83] [84]
• Templates containing <ref> or <references> tags will no longer need dummy parameters to prevent caching. [85] [86] [87]
• You will no longer be able to use Special:Thanks directly. The page will soon show an error message when you visit it. [88] [89]
• Hovercards will no longer flicker. [90]

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07:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Stop adding wrong maps to wikipedia

There is no acceptable reason for you to be adding maps which fly in the face of the international viewpoint in favour of a particular nation's viewpoint. EAST JERUSALEM IS NOT IN ISRAEL! Stop adding maps which show East Jerusalem as part of Israel. What do you not understand? Sepsis II (talk) 21:30, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

The RfC closed and your WP:BOLD changes didn't have consensus, so I reverted them. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

lua #expr replacement

Hi, Legoktm pointed me in your direction about something I asked in #wikipedia-en. I'm trying to find something to replace #expr in lua, but so far everything I've found has a reliance on frame which makes it difficult to test from the debug console. Do you know of anything lua-based that might serve as a replacement? Mdowdell (talk) 09:36, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That depends on what exactly you're trying to do. For most things there is a direct Lua replacement, but there are a few things that #expr can do that Lua can't (at least can't do easily). So where is it that you are getting stuck? — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 09:47, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm on a wikia wiki, where we have various templates used for price calculations. The template I'm working on at the moment validated the argument of the template using expr, whether it was added to check the argument was a number or to facilitate use of calculations I don't know, but it's resulted in endlessly complex equations being passed to it. Obviously I don't want to break anything in moving the template to a module, hence I'm trying to replicate the functionality.

However, in looking at how ParserFunctions was implemented for inspiration on how to do it in lua, I discovered this, which I can hopefully get backported thus solving my original problem :) Mdowdell (talk) 10:12, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

If you need all of the functionality of #expr then that may be your best bet. You could also use something like Module:Math#cleanNumber, which uses frame:callParserFunction with #expr, but only if Lua can't parse the number itself. And if you want to migrate your wiki to a pure Lua implementation you could output a tracking category if using tonumber() on the number results in nil, and then update all of the transclusions. Maybe someone will write a pure-Lua implementation for expression parsing some day, but even then #expr has a few idiosyncrasies that probably wouldn't (or shouldn't?) be implemented, so an exact implementation will have to hook through to PHP somehow. If you want to learn about the details of those idiosyncrasies, m:Help:Calculation is the best guide I've seen. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 11:01, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

@Mdowdell: @Mr. Stradivarius: I recently added the function mw.ext.ParserFunctions.expr to Lua. It will be deployed here in about a week, but you can try it out now on the beta cluster. I have no idea when that will make it to Wikia, but unless they run git master, which I doubt, it will probably be a long time (months to years) before they get it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 11:46, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikia run 1.19, with no plans to upgrade due to all the problems their core additions cause when updating. However, they do backport useful features, Scribunto being the most recent addition that I'm aware of. I can hope to see it before then end of the year :) Mdowdell (talk) 20:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-25

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Reminder

• You can subscribe to the wikitech-ambassadors mailing list to get news more quickly and to send feedback or report problems.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf9) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 12. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on June 17, and to all Wikipedias on June 19 (calendar).
• You can now read a summary of the Wikimedia technical report for May 2014.

VisualEditor news

• You can now easily see the target of a link or other information using the context menu. [91]
• When you edit a reference, you can now empty it and click the "use an existing reference" button to switch it to re-use another reference. [92] [93]
• You can now add and edit {{DISPLAYTITLE}} and __DISAMBIG__ in the page settings menu. [94] [95] [96] [97]
• The tool to insert special characters is now wider and simpler; the order of mathematical symbols is now correct. [98] [99] [100]

Future software changes

• Media Viewer will be enabled by default on all wikis on June 19. Feedback is welcome. [101]
• You will no longer be able to use navigation popups and Hovercards at the same time. [102]
• You will no longer see image thumbnails on search results pages on Wikibooks and Wikisource wikis. [103] [104]
• It will soon be possible to globally rename global (SUL) users. [105] [106]
• Tablet users will be redirected to the mobile view of Wikimedia wikis starting on June 17. [107]
• The special page that lists most linked-to templates will soon include pages from all namespaces; it will also be renamed to Special:MostTranscludedPages. [108]
• An IRC discussion about Phabricator will take place on June 17 at 17:30 UTC on the channel #wikimedia-office on freenode (time conversion). You can also read a blog post about the upcoming switch to Phabricator.
• You can now comment on the draft 2014-15 goals of the Wikimedia Foundation engineering department. [109]

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07:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Andhra Pradesh

Hi there, I reverted your changes to the Andhra Pradesh module as they appear to be a backward step. SVG is preferred over PNG while the colour scheme of the new map follows established WP guidelines. The map was requested at the graphics workshop following the Telangana split. Also note that the coordinate basis of the new map is not the same as the old one. Best,  Philg88 ^♦talk 04:44, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

That's no problem. I just wasn't sure if you were aware you were overriding the existing one or not. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:40, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Help solicited to created Dexterity Global and Sharad Sagar wiki pages

Hello Jack!

Dexterity Global is a renowned international non-profit organization changing lives of a quarter million students (most of them from marginalized communities) globally. Last year, Rockefeller Foundation gave it a place alongside Creative Commons and UN Global Pulse in the list of "Next Century Innovators". We're having troubles creating its wiki page. You can run a google search and run through the official website or wiki text to know the credibility. Will be really kind of you if you could help.

RegardsPeoplefriend723 (talk) 18:25, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

When I search Google for "Dexterity Global", the first 4 results are their homepage, their Facebook, their LinkedIn, and their Twitter. I'm not sure they're notable. Also, you appear to have a blatant WP:COI. If your organization is actually important, someone not affiliated with it will write about it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, Jack! Really appreciate it.

I encourage you to look at other search results too. If you search "Dexterity Global Telegraph", all news results from Telegraph in India will show up. If you search "Dexterity Global BostInno", all BostInno articles and listings will show up. The first four are but obvious to be any organization's own links. I hope you will run the searches and get a sneak peek into the credibility.Peoplefriend723 (talk) 18:32, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Since you have a COI, I'm not helping you create your article. Like I said, if the organization is actually important, someone without a COI will write the article. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:34, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I don't have a COI, I am just a student from the network and I wish DG should have a wikipedia page. Me and my friends decided this on a facebook group this evening and we're working on it. We are in no way related to the officials or paid for it. How do we have a COI then? Also, did you run through the searches?Peoplefriend723 (talk) 18:37, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

What network exactly are you from? Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:37, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Students who have graduated from the Dexterity Network. You can read newspaper articles about us. We graduated just last week.Peoplefriend723 (talk) 18:40, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Then you have a COI. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:40, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Dear Jack, one, i don't have a coi. one can't have a coi as a beneficiary of a non-profit's platform. and, we think the world must get to know about dex. it's a great thing. the whole world is talking about it and it's sad that wikipedia doesn't have it yet. less credible and non existent orgs have a wiki page and this one doesn't. cool! PLEASE delete it. but remember to do your search and diligence once. a proper one. thanks! we're never submitting a wiki post ever again.Peoplefriend723 (talk) 18:44, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

One, I did do my search. Two, you can have a COI without getting paid. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:46, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

The mere fact that first four pages you look were official pages of the org made you feel it's not credible shows how well you did your search. two, all international awards and listings and recognition and all newspaper coverages went unattended. this is biased diligence nothing else. wikipedia's core vision is being hurt.Peoplefriend723 (talk) 18:48, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

You know what - we have a strong web presence that helps us connect with our target audience and carry out our mission. We are doing pretty well there. That's what the Internet is for. We don't need wikipedia. Rather, it's a shame for wikipedia that they are missing out on information that would have been useful to students across the world. We have better and greater things to do, and having a wikipedia page is irrelevant and, dare I say, worthless. I have a busy schedule and neither I nor anyone from my organization is ever going to waste their time with this worthless bullshit. Good luck with your editing and stuff. Adios!Peoplefriend723 (talk) 18:56, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2014-26

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf10) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 19. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on June 24, and to all Wikipedias on June 26 (calendar).

VisualEditor news

• You can now drag-and-drop selections of content, not just files and templates. [110] [111]
• When dragging an item, you will now see a line that helps you to drop it. [112] [113]
• You can now only move an image to the start of a paragraph, not to the middle of it, so you don't accidentally split it. [114] [115]
• You will now be warned if you add wikitext to file captions and references. [116] [117]

Future software changes

• You will no longer be able to upload files on wikis that do not have any copyright tags. [118] [119]
• CirrusSearch will be enabled as the primary search method on additional 70 new wikis, including Meta-Wiki and Wikimedia Incubator, during the next week. [120]
• CirrusSearch results will soon take into account categories, the first paragraph and the wikitext of a page. You will also be able to use regular expressions to search the wikitext. It will take a few days for the changes to be enabled on all wikis. [121]
• You will soon be able to watch translations for e-mail notifications without receiving an e-mail when they are reviewed by another translator. [122] [123]
• An IRC meeting to organize old high priority MediaWiki bug reports will take place on June 24 at 17:00 UTC on the channel #wikimedia-office on freenode (time conversion). [124]

Problems

• On June 19, all wikis were broken for about 15 minutes due to a high server load.
• Between June 13 and June 15 there were problems with the scaling of video files due to a configuration error. [125]

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07:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

regarding my edit on Velupillai Prabhakaran

Hi,greetings and about my edit on Velupillai Prabhakaran is authentic.You can find a lot of news about the Tamil people in Tamilnadu and overseas beleiving and claiming that he is alive.Many political leaders of Tamilnadu like "Vaiko","Nedunchezhiyan","Seeman",etc have publicly propagate that Velupillai Prabhakaran is alive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siddhugow (talk • contribs) 17:29, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

A couple of concerns regarding recent edit of Template:Rfd

Hey Jackmcbarn, I see that you have implemented the Lua change of {{Rfd}}. Now that it has completed, I have one concern and one question:

1. The error message when the template is not substituted does not render properly: it is missing the right two brackets.
2. If I'm not mistaken, with Module:RfD has the script of Template:Rfd/core included in it directly. Would it be best to have Template:Rfd/core redirect to Template:Rfd due to no longer being necessary?

Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 21:49, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

@Steel1943: 1 is intentional, and wasn't a result of that change. See Special:Diff/613785128/613839396. I'll take care of #2 once all the RfDs open from before the change get closed. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:09, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! I'm going to start working on moving Template:Rfd/core/doc in the meantime. Steel1943 (talk) 22:16, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

@Steel1943: Actually, can you hold off on that until I get some page moves sorted out? Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Possibly: Would you mind explaining how moving the doc page has any bearing on what you are doing? Steel1943 (talk) 22:29, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

@Steel1943: Currently, Template:Rfd/doc redirects to Template:Rfd/core/doc, and the former is fully protected. I've asked for that to be lifted, and once that happens, I'm going to move the latter to the former, then create a stub doc page at Module:RfD/doc that points to Template:RfD/doc, similar to how Module:Infobox/doc currently looks. I'd rather minimize what happens in the meantime so that the page histories aren't even more complicated than they're already going to be. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:33, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm aware of the situation with Template:Rfd/core/doc. I had a draft written already for WP:RMTR. The page was moved in 2012 to its current target, then the redirect was given full protection. I can post my RMTR request, since this move would require administrative involvement, obviously. (But, if you beat me to it, no worries.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

@Steel1943: If you have a draft of that, go ahead and post it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:38, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. Steel1943 (talk) 22:41, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I've unprotected Template:Rfd/doc. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 01:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

PragmaticStatistic's Response to Jackmcbarn June 2014

The edit I made was to correct a coordinate that Wikipedia shows 12 miles off to the southeast of where the actual Quara ruins are located. My reference is Google Map. My proof is that if you enter the correct coordinate I provided (14° 13’ 35.88111” N, 20° 40’ 19.1594” E) into Google Map or Google Earth and zoom in real close, you can see the ruins pictured in your Quara Wikipedia page for yourself. The shape of the walled city shown in Google Map matches exactly that shown in the photo on the Wikipedia page.

I have hundreds of such correctly plotted ruins, many of which are incorrectly plotted on Wikipedia, which I found with the help of photos located inside Google Map, and labels correctly plotted inside Google Map. Google correctly labels the location of Quara and the Panoramio photo I found near that label is only a half mile to the west of the actual ruins was I assume taken by someone who had actually been there.

Thus, your eliminating my edit will continue to show an error that is of no value to your readers because all it shows is open desert with no ruins shown.

So rather than eliminating my edit, please show me how to correctly edit the Wiki coordinate code and how to reference something I found in Google Map. Note that the correct coordinate has many more digits than the source code on Wikipedia has. It needs to extra digits to be more precise. Pragmaticstatistic (talk) 16:03, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

@Pragmaticstatistic: I didn't revert your edit just because it broke the formatting. I reverted your edit because the coordinates that the source give don't match the ones you gave, but the original ones do. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:05, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Pragmaticstatistic: Re your comment on extra digits in the coordinates, this is not necessarily a good thing. Please see WP:OPCOORD for more details.  Philg88 ^♦talk 19:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Editing other people's userpages

Hi, Jackmcbarn (talk · contribs), only users who created there own userpage can edit on it, not other users. ~NiamhBurns10 Talk Contribs 18:50, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

That's not true. See WP:OWN. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-27

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf11) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 26. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on July 1, and to all Wikipedias on July 3 (calendar).

VisualEditor news

• Context menus in VisualEditor will no longer flicker and disappear when you insert a new reference, formula, image, etc. [126] [127]
• A bug that prevented relocating items due to cache was fixed last week. [128] [129]
• VisualEditor will no longer scroll to the bottom of the page when you try to edit section 0. When you try to add a formula, VisualEditor will no longer scroll to the top of the page. [130] [131] [132] [133]
• Links to category pages or file pages added with VisualEditor will now work correctly. [134] [135]

Future software changes

• You will no longer be able to upload files on wikis that do not have any copyright tags. [136] [137]
• Toolserver tools will be stopped on June 30. Please make sure to change gadgets that link to the Toolserver to point to Tool Labs instead.
• CirrusSearch will be enabled on June 30 as the primary search method on 34 new wikis, including the Czech (cs), Danish (da), Finnish (fi) and Hebrew (he) Wikipedias. [138]
• All Wikimedia wikis will be using a security method called perfect forward secrecy starting on July 1. If you see a problem, please report it. [139] [140]
• Starting on July 1, it will be possible to globally rename global (SUL) users. [141]
• You will soon see block information when you visit the contributions page or try to edit the user page or user talk page of a user who is affected by an IP range block. [142] [143]
• You will soon be able to use {{!}} as a magic word to produce the pipe character, for instance for use in tables. [144]

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06:53, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry

I'm so sorry for being mean to you. ~NiamhBurns10 ^{Speak to me Contribs Ping me} 18:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Strange incident on maps

I have just read this; what is going on with those regional maps of Israel? I understand that Sunrise and HJ Mitchell agreed to give it "a couple of weeks" before reconsidering the issue (why reconsidering if the discussion is closed?). BTW, Sepsis II is currently blocked for a week for edit-warring on ARBPIA articles. Your thoughts?GreyShark (dibra) 17:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I think we'll move forward with that once we get Template talk:Location map Israel#Proposal to change shading colour so the occupied territories are more easily distinguishable from Israeli territory sorted out. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Richard Danielson

I removed the copyvio, and your speedy deletion tag. I suggest a merge instead. Feel free to send it to WP:AfD instead if a discussion is needed. Bearian (talk) 20:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@Bearian: Can you revdel the copyvio revisions? Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:24, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't know how to do that. Do you mean to revert, or to hide them, or to make them into a quote? Bearian (talk) 20:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@Bearian: Go to the history page, check the boxes for all of the revisions except the latest, push the button on the top right, check "Delete revision text", select copyvio as the reason, and hit Apply. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Lua

I'd just like to thank you for cleaning up some of the modules I wrote. I have programming experience, just not much in Lua. I edit regularly at the RuneScape Wiki, which only recently got the Scribunto extension. There's only 1 other person who does more than a little amount of Lua there, and he's usually busy, so I can't always bug him (I don't like bugging people for code help anyways). So really the only help I get is from documentation. It's good (at least for me) seeing other people work on code. So just in case you don't appreciate entirely what your clean up has done, thanks again. moluɐɯ 13:27, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @The Mol Man: If you're looking for Scribunto help, feel free to post at Wikipedia talk:Lua. We regularly get questions there about modules on other wikis, and there are plenty of people there who would be happy to help you out. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 13:38, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do that if I'm stumped. But I wanted to personally thank him too :ɔ moluɐɯ 13:39, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Notice from Technical 13

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Template Editor User:Technical 13. Thank you. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 20:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

blank submisisons

{{AFC submission}} still allows one to submit from the preview pane. See [[145]] where I suspect this is the mechanism that created a blank submission Fiddle Faddle 08:11, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:49, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

It will be interesting to see of the frequency of blank submissions lowers. Thank you. Fiddle Faddle 16:20, 6 July 2014 (UTC)