User talk:Casliber/Archive 18

Mixing it with Mixu

As requested.

NB Gosh - has no-one dropped you a line since my musings about Pork?!?!?! --Dweller (talk) 09:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Erm...check the last archive....which I just did today. I kept the above couple of threads as they are still active and still need me to do stuff. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I was joking. Plenty of talk about Pork following yesterday's dirty dealings at the UK Parliament. Commentators are calling it the arrival of Pork Barrel politics in the UK. --Dweller (talk) 10:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

False morel photos

Here you go: check out Commons:Category:Gyromitra esculenta. Sorry for the delay — I took these already more than a week ago, but had some trouble deciding which ones to upload. These could probably still use some exposure and white balance adjustment, but I figured I'll just upload the best originals now and leave any editing for later. I think I'll upload the full set of originals to my own web site and post a link there, in case anyone else wants to have a go at it. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 22:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Brillliant!! much appreciated..Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Gila Monster

Would you mind looking over my corrections and see if you'll keep on hold for the moment or promote? bibliomaniac15 22:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 13 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Crescent Honeyeater, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Doing a great job with these bird submissions. Not only do we desperately need the variety, but the pics are brilliant! --Gatoclass (talk) 20:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Fiction rejected

After 10 days of RfC there is clear evidence that Fiction does not have the support of the community. Thus I've marked it with the Failed tag. But the proponents are not going to let this die. While not disputing their failure they are already fussing with tags which willl perpetuate this festering corpse. A little help? --Kevin Murray (talk) 01:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Priory of Sion Peer Review

Hello. You would be interested in participating in the peer review of the Priory of Sion article? --Loremaster (talk) 11:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Mirtazapine redux

I was trying to find more on the sleep effects of mirtazapine, and came upon an interesting polemic in JCP (PMID: 15323610).

"In the study, mirtazapine not surprisingly helped depressed patients fall asleep more quickly and stay asleep longer. In other words, the patients showed a decrease in sleep latency, increased total sleep time, and thus improved sleep efficiency throughout the 8 weeks. The fact that most of these changes were statistically significant as early as week 1 seems merely to reflect mirtazapine’s well-known sedative side effect; there was no basis for linking this effect to the more slowly developing improvement in sleep quality associated with antidepressant benefit. Indeed, the authors liken sleep alterations with mirtazapine to those produced by the hypnotic compounds zolpidem and zaleplon, two drugs with no claim to antidepressant efficacy."

"Moreover, the study seems to draw an unfair comparison, since the doses of the two drugs were not comparable. While 45 mg of mirtazapine at bedtime is appropriate, the fluoxetine subjects were moved up to 40 mg daily—twice what the package insert2 states is sufficient for most patients and, in my opinion, actually 4 times what is usually necessary. With this excessive dose comes increased risk for at least 2 adverse effects that can unfavorably impact the parameters of this study. Subjects who experience activation with fluoxetine will, of course, have greater trouble falling asleep at bedtime. On the other hand, there are some individuals who feel somnolence with a fluoxetine dose this high; presumably, they will be more inclined to take daytime naps (apparently not prohibited in the study), and this, in turn, could prolong sleep latency at bedtime. The incidence of these two side effects, excessive activation and daytime somnolence, was not noted."

"Bearing out these concerns, the authors’ data indicate that sleep latency in the fluoxetine group was actually slightly improved at week 1, when the dose was 20 mg and there had not yet been much accumulation of this slowly metabolized drug. It is only after week 8 that we see worsening in sleep latency, reflecting the high drug levels accumulated during 4 weeks of taking a daily dose of 40 mg."

Paul Gene (talk) 11:35, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. I am amused sometimes at the doses they treat as equivalent, and I wouldn't have picked 45mg mirtaz.=40mg fluoxetine, more like 60 mg of mirtazepine. Anyway, I have seen many more studies like these with some odd comparisons used...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 15 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Helvella lacunosa , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Maxim_(talk) 21:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

new article

hey man, look, ive been working on the article for the madeira buzzard, and so far i have this to show: User:Tobi4242/Sandbox so, anyway, i have this page for my resources, and maby you can help me creat an article. http://www.madeirabirds.com/buzzard. i could really use your help man. thanks Tobi4242 (talk) 01:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Puerto Rican Amazon m. II

Sorry for the delay, I took a few days off due to a annoying cold. Anyway, you read my mind, most of the issues presented in the peer review have been attended and asking for a copyeditor to do a final cleanup was the next logical step. As a side note this will be my sixth FAC overall, two biographies and four video games have been worked on and nominated by me, this will be my first bird/animal/other FAC but I am a seasoned vet, just thought you should know ;-) cheers. - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

D'oh! my bad. I should have checked. Anyway, I'll have another look myself as it has been awhile. Circeus is good though. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

It seems like we only need a reference for the "one of the ten most endangered birds in the world" statement and Joel's distribution map to finally go to FAC, any idea where to find the first one? - Caribbean~H.Q. 10:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I may have an idea where to look. Frustrating ain't it? I really need someone with a Finnish Cookbook for Gyromitra esculenta..somewhat hard to find in Australia...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Most of my books come from e-bay, although I realize that even if you won a book there might be some trouble if its written in Finnish. Anyway, I just left a message to Joel, once he adds the map I'm nominating. - Caribbean~H.Q. 11:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Map - redbacked fairy wren

Done and in the article, I didnt include a key though I can if you want Gnangarra 02:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

FA-Team Mission 4

Mission 4, a series of articles on the Everglades, could do with help from the FA-Team! Thanks! Awadewit (talk) 12:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you for volunteering for Mission 4 - Moni3 has helpfully constructed a "to do" list on our Mission 4! Let's start working! Awadewit (talk) 13:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

ant/s

It's plural; must have been changed back again. Looks fine as plural. TONY (talk) 13:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

"The highly organised colony" is a bit strange here. "A highly organised colony" would be OK, or the plural of "a", which is the "blank" article, "Highly organised colonies". I think, on balance, the plural indefinite (my last example here) is most comfortable, although "A" would be OK. You might find that the text has to switch between them a few times during the article; this is best minimised—at least so that there's no "bump" for the reader. TONY (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

To split hairs a bit - Highly organised colonies may consist of millions of ants; - colonies can actually be as small as a dozen ants and still be highly organized. Shyamal (talk) 14:00, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

True, though I did say 'may'...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Doomsday device

Don't propose a merge on my behalf. I just want a flat-out redirect. WillOakland (talk) 00:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Donald_Bradman#Some_pre_FAC_comments_to_deal_with

Hi there. Take a look at the first bulletpoint. What do you think about the comments re ref3? --Dweller (talk) 09:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. I can see the criticism and concern over glowing praise, but then again it is a remarkable record. I have to think some more on this. This is more of a 'placeholder' comment really. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

WT:CRIC agrees to an extent with Tony. It is a thorny one, alright. --Dweller (talk) 10:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

White-winged Fairywren pics

Hi Cas, do you need a reasonable pic of a WWFW? [1] I know the photographer and may be able to get him to upload to commons. Let me know and I will ask Aviceda talk 10:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes please. I haven't received a reply on the others after some initial interest. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

list of redundant expressions

Very useful; I've copied the list and may use bits of it after it's deleted. I voted delete (OR, unsuitable, many examples problematic). Thanks! TONY (talk) 13:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Eyrian

I have started a follow up at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Tottering Blotspurs. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

June 30 Dispatch

A few weeks out, but you may want to watch Wikipedia:FCDW/June 30, 2008. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:13, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

GA thanks

I have been pretty delinquent, but I did appreciate your assistance. Even though you were the reviewer, your edits were helpful and your review advice was as well. You may want to add this somewhere:

This user helped promote More Demi Moore to good article status.

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Erm, ok...thanks :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Boletus albidus

Excellent job you have done on B.radicans. That's the perfect template for fungi. Why do we all do it different? My name is 'luridiformis' because i'm red and fat. I'm going for B.legaliae, or Russula claroflava next...not decided yet. Thanks again for helping . Luridiformis (talk) 07:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 19 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Australian White Ibis, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for providing all the great pic articles for DYK! --Gatoclass (talk) 10:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Spirituality

The spirituality section is accurate, although I agree that it needs some more info/citations. Keep in mind that psychology/psychiatry is a new science, underdeveloped. I am sure that a vast, ample amount of information is available, but do not regard this as not important, which may raise some concerns for articles regarding spirituality in Wikipedia articles. Prowikipedians (talk) 08:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

this sentence was vague to the point that is unclear what it is supposed to mean. this is how I commented on the talk page. If something specific, meaningful and notable is found in a peer-reviewed journal, we can see if and how it can be incorporated. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:article Writing

Thank you, Casliber. I will look into that.

There's no need to go to the library. I am a subscriber and avid reader of Rolling Stone (a 12 year old! Imagine that!). I will look at the most recent issues and see what i can add. Thank you, from Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 10:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic! (I know who to nag next time I write a rock article....hehehe) Here's an idea - A while ago Anonymous Dissident was trying to polish Linkin Park for FAC, which failed to pass as can be seen here - Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Linkin_Park/archive2 - I commented that there may be some more material in a magazine like Rolling Stone, from some interviews etc. happy hunting, after all this is a volunteer project and supposed to be fun...I have had a bit of experience in the FA and GA process so feel free to ask questions. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Is there a WikiProject Rock Music that I can join? Are you a member? Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 11:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

There's Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rock_music, which I had not seen until about 10 seconds before I wrote this. The only thing I have done with Rock music to date is help polish up Oasis (band) with Scarian. I did have an idea I wanted to buff up Beastie Boys at some stage but have never gotten 'round to it...

Looking at the talk page, it does look a little quiet, but you never know, show some interest and some folks may turn up. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

May I help you "buff up" Beastie Boys? School's out, so I have a lot of free time. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 16:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Bradman

All done, I think. --Dweller (talk) 13:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Note:

Spore print conflict in Russula claroflava. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luridiformis (talk • contribs) 13:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

sorry

forgot to sign it.Luridiformis (talk) 13:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Boletus albidus colour cast

i have tried to correct this. Colour calibration between my photographs, my monitor, and wiki, can be hit and miss....Is this better?????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luridiformis (talk • contribs) 14:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe a little bit, but definitely still looks a bit greenish. Try doing whatever alteration you did one more time and let me know. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:22, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

sorry

i forgot to sign it again....kick me. Luridiformis (talk) 15:01, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Nahuatl/Hoatzin

Although I know way much than the average reader, the one you want to ask is User:Maunus, who is an actual linguist knowledgeable in Mexican native languages, as actually pushed Nahuatl language through FAC. Circeus (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I'll ask him. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:29, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Great Frigatebird

I guess I could push it, but I am overstretched at the moment. I'd rather get Procellariiformes to GA, because then it is a hop-skip and jump to getting Diving-petrel done and knocking off a topic. Sabine's Sunbird talk 00:17, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

one thing

Have fun with people who edit like this. People like you and me. 78.34.137.178 (talk) 01:17, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I am amused that you would think that a post like that would annoy me, it suggests you have trouble empathizing with my values etc. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't want to annoy you. (Btw, you are far less subtle and elegant than you think.) 78.34.137.178 (talk) 10:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

(sigh) Oh yeah, it is very hard to compete with such gems like this...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

You didn't have to prove my point, you know. 78.34.143.49 (talk) 15:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

(←) I think you're elegant, Cas :) --JayHenry (talk) 17:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 22 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Boletus radicans, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Vishnava _talk 01:21, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I've nominated:

I've nominated Kertesz for the mainpage - [2]. JSYK. It looks like my work here is complete. Would you be a pal and keep an eye on it over its main page stint to make sure it doesn't get too trashed? Cheers 203.97.171.7 (talk) 22:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC) (AKA Spawn Man) : )

Erm...ok...any reason why you have edited from an IP and not logged in? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Too many to say. ;) Been pretty hectic in my life and it's just one of the reasons I must go. Thanks for supporting - you've been a good friend to me on here. Good luck in your endeavours. :) Cheers, Spawn Man (talk) 09:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

You too. or..'ditto'...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding this edit

Like I'm going to trust a fungus-loving, vampire-legend-following, zombie-reading Australian. This is obviously original research. Someone should block you for vandalizing the article. Meh. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 05:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, in case anyone wants to use this thing as a diff in some goofy RfAR or something, this was humor. So laugh. OK, maybe not. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 05:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I have a halo and wings me.....hehehe. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Dorftrottel

You commented in this ANI thread, so I figured you may be interested in the RfCU I've filed about myself. If you can find the time, your input would be highly appreciated. Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 10:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I have another question for you: In the AN thread, you said that I was Gaming the system. I tried to get behind what you may have meant by that, but failed. At UEFA Euro 2008 (which I suppose is the article you were referring to?), the other editors were violating WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:CONSENSUS. My good-faithed intention there was to prevent Wikipedia from being abused as a live ticker. I do understand the civility concerns to an extent (although I maintain that the vast majority of me being less than friendly is due to pointed but justified criticism, esp. with people who use Wikipedia policy solely to further their personal agenda — whereas my main agenda is that Wikipedia is encyclopedia). So inhowfar was I using Wikipedia policies and guidelines in bad faith, to deliberately thwart the aims of Wikipedia and the process of communal editorship ? Consider that explicit consensus on some article talk page or implicit consensus through editing can never override policy, esp the spirit of policies. I think I should have filed an RfC regarding the live updating situation earlier, but for some reason hesitated. Granted, I did try to disrupt violations of policy and of the notion that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. But as far as I can see, there is no basis for the assumption that I was acting in bad faith, or deliberately tried to disrupt Wikipedia. So what made you say that? Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 16:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I have another one for you, though, and I would greatly appreciate your comment on that one since it exemplifies a situation where I gave up. I'm talking about the article Heckler & Koch MP5. I innocuously added the referenced info that the MP5 was used by the Red Army Faction in their insignia. It was removed each time, finally leading to this exchange. Yes, I was less than civil in their, too. But look at what those people do: They removed the info as 'trivia' when, as admin John (who incidentally has also commented here) rightly said, 'The RAF logo is quite widely reproduced and quite widely known. It may be the single most famous instance of the weapon's distinctive shape.' Long story short: I gave up, John gave up, the info is not in the article as of today. So is that how I should proceed iyo? I gave up, and the article is less accurate and less complete for it. Nevermind such details as those people citing me their WikiProject guidelines as though it were official policy, which it directly contradicts, at least in parts. Is that how we are supposed to do things? There's a bunch of guys who are really enthusastic, editing their gun stuff... ok, I pulled out of that article, and so did the only admin who stooped so low as to actually try and resolve the issue for the better of the project. So was that the right thing, then? Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 11:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Peer review

Cas, you love Powderfinger. You know it. Or maybe not, but you'll know it soon enough. Can you feel Wikipedia:Peer review/Tea & Sympathy/archive1 calling you? giggy _(:O) 10:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Sleep calls... as does education (could do with some tea and/or sympathy myself....)... thanks for comments so far. giggy _(:O) 11:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 24 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sarcodon imbricatus, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 09:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

FA-Team Mission 4 success!

Draining and development of the Everglades, which in the end we decided not to rename "Complete land rape of South Florida", has achieved FA status! Congratulations and thanks all around! Two down and three to go - head for those copyediting and peer-reviewing parties at Restoration of the Everglades, Geography and ecology of the Everglades and Everglades! Awadewit (talk) 13:53, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Lorchel

partly copied from User talk:Eusebeus#More help with German:

Sorry to barge in, but I can help a little with the German part. My German mushroom books don't make any mention why this type of mushroom is called "Lorchel". I am sure there is some kind of connection to Old High German, but it is no longer apparent today (i.e. "lorchel" is just a word). The German article for the mushroom says it is most commonly called "Frühjahrslorchel" (spring lorchel, as in summer/autumn/winter), "Frühlorchel" (early lorchel) or "Giftlorchel" (poison lorchel), and the family is simply called "Lorchel" (Helvellaceae). Nothing really mentionworthy for an English article. – sgeureka ^t•c 05:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Baffling as the name lorchel has come to mean this one in English, though most call it false morel...but still no idea on derivation of lorchel. Incidentally, do your German books mention when law was enacted to prohibit it from sale? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

No, my books focus mostly on identifying mushrooms by look, location, taste, and poisonousness (collecting mushrooms in the woods is very popular here). But I can stop by the library tomorrow (it has peeked my interest) and see what they got if that's useful for you. Any specific question other than the etymology (from a German POV) and the law? – sgeureka ^t•c 08:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, most books do, and certainly all my English-language ones do to. I have tried to make the article as comprehensive as I possibly can but there is still a little more I'd like to add if I could. All guidebooks everywhere strongly advise against eating it, yet it is still eaten in Finland - it was apparently eaten widely in Europe and successively prohibited from sale in various places. I have a ref for this happening in Germany but would be great to get some details or a date on this. I have also asked Finnish people to help out, and User:Ilmari Karonen has taken some photos in Helsinki square for which I am extremely grateful (as I am in Australia it is a bit out of my way...)...and sort of have finnish cuisine sourced but a more robust source would be better.

Also, if you can see anything that looks incomprehensible or cumbersome prosewise I'd be grateful for feedback or tweaking. Not many wikipedians are mushroomers and most of my usual copyediting chums find the subject boring. I will happily return the favour as I am pretty familiar with the FAC routine. :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I was never aware of just how many FAs you have under your belt. Anyway, my notes are below. Make of them what you will, you know better when my suggestions suck or when they would improve the article. – sgeureka ^t•c 14:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

General notes:

• many sentences start with "it is [passive verb] by [person or object]", which can sometimes be phrased into "[person or object] [active verb] it"
• an IP had resently told me that one of my articles is not authorative enough since I always said "reviewers interpreted and reported it as such and such" instead of saying "it is such and such". The mushroom article tends to do the same, e.g. "has been described as fruity"

Prose improvement possibilities:

• "which can reach 10 cm (4 in) high and 15 cm (6 in) wide, perched on a stout white stalk up to 6 cm (2½ in) high." - awkward reading for me, since I expect(ed) a noun after "(6 in)"
• "fatal if eaten raw, it is described by aficionados as one of the best of all culinary mushrooms. It is popular in Scandinavia..." - "...aficionados describe it as..." or "...it is one of the most culinary mushrooms..." or just "fatal if eaten raw, it is a popular delicacy in Scandinavia"
• "There may be liver and kidney involvement in severe cases" - "Severe cases may affect the liver and kidney"
• "when placed in the genus Gyromitra by the Swedish mycologist Elias Magnus Fries in 1849" - "when the Swedish mycologist Elias Magnus Fries placed it in the genus Gyromitra in 1849"
• "many sources recommend" - I'm not sure whether "source" is the right word
• paragraph "Gyromitra esculenta is a member of a group..." suffers from also-itis
• "Initially smooth" - the text just referred to size, and it is not clear that it now refers to time
• "Those from California have been reported as often more reddish-brown in colour" - "California specimen often have a more reddish-brown in colour."
• header "Description" - the whole article is a description, so what does the section really describe? Appearance? Characteristics?
• "although it prefers the former" - work into the previous subsentence via "most often" and "occasionally" etc.
• "It is an early mushroom" - not sure what this means or if this is a widely-used phrase. IMO, the following text ("the hunting period is from April to July") already implies it can be found early in the year
• "Toxic reactions were known from the early 20th century at least, though the wide range in effects meant that some experts speculated the reaction was more of an allergic one related to the consumer, or misidentification, rather than innate toxicity of the fungus." - "Knowledge of toxic reactions dates back to the early 20th century at least, although experts initially speculated that its wide range in effects was caused by allergic reactions related to the consumer, or misidentification, rather than innate toxicity of the fungus."
• "Some would suffer" - "Some consumers suffered"
• "At one time up to 23%" - better say the year or the decade for clarity if possible
• "Deaths rates have now dropped" - when now?
• "There is evidence that children" - "Evidence suggests that children" (also works better with the second "there is evidence" two sentences later)
• "However, poisonings in the west have been reported,[34] although they have been reported less frequently than the east.[35]" - "Poisonings in the west have been reported less frequently than the east.[35]"
• "These other derivatives likely also yield" - awkward on several levels
• "activity of glutamic acid decarboxylase.[39] This interference causes the neurological symptoms. " - "activity of glutamic acid decarboxylase,[39] causing the neurological symptoms."
• paragraph "The toxins react with pyridoxal-5-phosphate" contains the word "cause" a lot
• "However, symptoms take often longer than this" - "However, symptoms often take longer than this"
• "patients do not usually present for treatment until many hours after ingestion, thus limiting its effectiveness" - "patients limit its effectiveness by not presenting for treatment until many hours after ingestion"
• "If patients have severe vomiting or diarrhea IV fluids can be used to rehydrate the patient." - "Patients with severe vomiting or diarrhea IV can be rehydrated with fluids."
• "Pyridoxine is given at a dose of 25 mg/kg, if symptoms do not improve this can be repeated up to a maximum total daily dose of 15 to 30 g.[51] Pyridoxine does not decrease hepatic toxicity and is only useful for the neurological symptoms.[41][52] " - "Pyridoxine, which does not decrease hepatic toxicity and is only useful for the neurological symptoms,[41][52] is given at a dose of 25 mg/kg. If symptoms do not improve this can be repeated up to a maximum total daily dose of 15 to 30 g.[51]"
• "Although cancer caused by this mushroom has not been observed in humans" - "Although this mushroom has not been observed to cause cancer in humans"
• "Efforts were taken to discourage consumption by prohibiting its sale in Germany and Switzerland once the extent of its toxicity became known." - "Once the extent of its toxicity became known, Germany and Switzerland discouraged consumption by prohibiting its sale."
• "It is still highly regarded and consumed" - "The mushroom is still highly regarded and consumed" ("it" could also refer to opinions or countries, otherwise)
• "Despite this, the false morel is listed" - "The false morel is nevertheless listed"
• paragraph "Despite its recognized toxicity" suffers from also-itis
• "The gyromitrin will dissolve in the water where it will remain, therefore the parboiling water must be discarded and replaced with fresh water after each boiling." - can be improved, although I can't come up with a clear suggestion
• "This process is called parboiling" - yet the word parboiling is alreay mentioned two sentences before
• the sentence "Enthusiasts in Finland have been..." finishes the article on an awkward note - either merge/move it elsewhere, or leave it out

– sgeureka ^t•c 14:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic - precisely the sort of feedback I needed - I will move it to the talk page and work through it...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

• It may need a rewrite in places, but let me know when you have incorporated the material above and I'll look through a more finalised draft. Eusebeus (talk) 23:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

• Wonderful - I am working my way through sgeureka's notes on the talk page. Will take a couple of days due to a ful palte but much appreciated. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:13, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Russula claroflava

On 25 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Russula claroflava, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 10:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Mail

You have mail. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 00:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Huh?

What are you getting at?[3] If there's something that needs to be out in the open, please say it. I tried in good faith to mediate a truce between two Wikipedians with very different viewpoints. It didn't work. Your post implies that I've broken the golden rule in a way that merits scrutiny. Please explain more fully; there must have been some serious miscommunication and I'd like to straighten it out. Best wishes, Durova^Charge! 00:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Galleries

Hi Casliber...I was wondering...What are your views on adding a picture gallery to the foot of fungi articles? I have created one in the 'Suillus granulatus' stub. Can an article have too many 'stand alone' pictures, or would this eventually cheapen the overall piece? Luridiformis (talk) 05:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, the idea is that wikipedia commons acts as the 'gallery' page so to speak, and is linked to by a template such as the one at the bottom right of the Boletus edulis page, while pictures are used sparingly on the article page itself - though more can be used if the article is bigger, see Amanita phalloides. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC).

Thankyou Luridiformis (talk) 06:38, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

FA-Team Mission 4 in the real world

The Everglades have been saved! Just kidding! Seriously, though, big changes are afoot, as reported by our own Moni3 at Wikinews. These developments have prompted a dramatic increase in traffic to the articles, so let's do Wikipedia proud and spruce them up pronto! Awadewit (talk) 15:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

queries

1. What about "Toxic reactions have been known for at least a hundred years."?
2. Depends on the context, but probably it is required; but I don't like "after 5–7 days". What about "Death may occur from five to seven or more days after consumption."? TONY (talk) 16:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Hoatzin

I am afraid I don't know anything about this bird. The name looks like a faux-nahuatl invention. Nahuatl words can't begin with h (except before u) - but they very frequently end in -tzin and oa is a common vowel group in the language. My guess would be that it has either been invented to sound like Nahuatl or it an actual Nahuatl word (i wouldn't know which) that has been misheard/misspelled and arrived at the current name. Anyway I don't know. Sorry not to be very helpful.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 22:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...very interesting...thankyou for the input and I will keep hunting. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much!

Thanks so much for the Bronze Wiki Award! Krakatoa (talk) 07:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

The pleasure is mine. It was a fantastic chess article and a joy to read. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Triple Crowns

Hi Casliber - I don't mean to sound impatient, but I noticed you helping out at User:Durova/Triple crown winner's circle/Nominations. You've taken various names from the top of the nominations list (i.e., the newest noms), some of which have only been there for a couple of days before getting their crown. Meanwhile, at the end of the list, TonyTheTiger has been waiting since March, and the three above him (Scartol, Sephiroth BCR and (cough) Bencherlite!) have been waiting since April... Any chance of us being dealt with?! Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 08:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I know. I just realised I goofed. I was going through all the standards first and then getting to the bigger ones next, as I figured on personalising them more. I will get it all cleared in the next 24 hours. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

PS: I just have to stop for food and movies for a bit now. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. Many thanks, I look forward to wearing some new headgear soon! Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 08:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the triple crown! RedThunder 11:23, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Casliber. · AndonicO ^Engage. 11:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for the award. What a lovely way to start my WikiDay! The triple crowns really add a nice bit of egoboo which motivate egotistical people like me to contribute more. I hope you and Durova realize (I'm sure you do) how helpful these prizes are to the project. Cheers! – Scartol • Tok 12:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

And my thanks once more as well. I'm not sure which is the more tedious task - writing the stuff in the first place, or reading it to check who's done what and when! Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 12:19, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Casliber, for mine, as well. :) Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 13:01, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd also like to join the Thankfuls.--IslesCape^Talk 17:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Congrats to all (and to Durova for coming up with the idea) glad everyone liked 'em. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:19, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Problem!!!!!!

I have a problem in Agaricus silvicola...Edibility, and References do not show.....Have i done something????....PANIC!!! PANIC!!! Luridiformis (talk) 10:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Did you creep in like Jeeves and fix it? Gosh!...I'm such a Bertie Wooster. Luridiformis (talk) 15:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

THANKS A LOT...Luridiformis (talk) 16:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Over-promotion

On checking the lists, I think you've given me a Imperial Napoleonic triple crown by mistake: I've only got 3 GAs/FLs, so it should have been just a regular Imperial Triple Crown (sob...) Bencherlite^Talk 13:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Oops - fixed. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Review of First-move advantage in chess

Many thanks for your constructive comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/First-move advantage in chess, which helped to improve the article and reach the FA level!
Thanks also for the award you gave to me, encouragements are always welcome! SyG (talk) 17:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey

...we speak English in Trinidad [4] :)

Matapal is an Anglicisation of matapalo - "tree killer". Not that is seems like an appropriate name for a fig in the Pharmacosycea, since they aren't stranglers. Now I'm wondering...since I know the authors of that paper, and I know which author wrote the ms and which author supplied the common name... So is it a mistake, or did the common name jump from subgenus Urostigma to subgenus Pharmacosycea? That would be fitting really, since the scientific name did just that. Guettarda (talk) 05:13, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Aha. my bad on foreign names - I am a neophyte at fig taxonomy...I'll have a look bit later. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:19, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Urostigma are the stranglers, apparently, Pharmacosycea are not. So calling one of the latter a "tree killer" is a misnomer. I knew none of this either, until someone provided me a link to a certain article. ;)

It gets a lot easier once you have a structure to work from. Guettarda (talk) 19:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

July 2008 Birds Project Newsletter Link

The April 2024 issue of the Bird WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. --Addbot (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Imperial Napoleonic Triple Crown

Thanks. Wow, that was fast! I thought I wasn't going to get it, 'cause I couldn't figure out how to list all the diffs, etc. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

obscene vandalism

Hi there, Cas. When you have a chance, I wonder whether it's worth taking action against this puerile anon: [5]. Maybe it's not sufficient evidence, but he doesn't seem to have intellectual interests thus far! TONY (talk) 11:03, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

It is almost incomprehensible that this ip could edit constructively. blocked. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

New Russula species proposal

Hya Cas, i want to do a NEW Russula stub. How do i set that up? Also where do you get all your Taxonomy and Mycologist info? As you can see i'm sadly lacking in knowledge of when species were recorded first. You must have one hell of a library. All i have is about a dozen 'field guides. Also; i noticed....on my Wiki forays that someone has stuck a pic of Laetiporus sulphureus in the Meripilus giganteus Taxobox. oh well! such is life. Sorry to be so full of questions.Luridiformis (talk) 06:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Aha, this has proven very useful, plus I did Greek and Latin at school and still have dictionaries. i do have a few books as well. I just cut and paste and use an existing stub as a template...which one(s) you wanna do? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

JUST MADE A NEW BASIDIOMYCOTA STUB..... (Russula nigricans). Now what happens....how do i get it to where it belongs, and with the right page heading????? The H.coccinea pic was one of my poorest....it'll do as a 'thumb', but maybe replacing it sometime would be a good idea.Luridiformis (talk) 14:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Hang on, I'll take a look. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

How did you re-label it....and move it....??? I thought that the basidiomycota stub-template was the proper place to do it.... will it show on the Russula drop-down??.....Thank for the help Luridiformis (talk) 14:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Sleep

GO GET YER HEAD DOWN CAS.....THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP...WE'LL DO IT ANOTHER TIME....Luridiformis (talk) 14:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Boletus legaliae

I have observed this mushroom for at least ten years out of the last fifteen, in the south of England. It is my baby. Wasn't Legale a french chemist? I might be wrong. It has three distinct cap-colour changes throughout it's short lifespan...off-white / mouse grey / and what has been called 'old rose'. No two pics of it are alike. There are three distinct colour zones on the stipe. Have a look at the young specimen at the top left of the picture in Phillips, this shows the zones quite plainly. Are there any in Commons of it???...... logging off...Luridiformis (talk) 15:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

DONT TELL!!!!!!!!! IT'S GREEN ISN'T IT? Luridiformis (talk) 08:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, not as bad as the others but 'tis true. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Ficus aurea...

passed GA! Now getting it up to FAC standard, I suppose.

So...other than a general re-write (to improve the prose) and an improved lead, are you aware of any major problems? Guettarda (talk) 17:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

FYI - Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ficus aurea Guettarda (talk) 06:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Pelicans and corms

Honestly I'm losing the inclination to touch the question of avian orders at the moment. As Dy mentioned there seems to be seven "super orders" now and there is no way of knowing how many of the traditional orders will survive the next ten years. Picking families to work on that aren't going to get radically split is enough of a headache. With regards to the Pelecaniformes I'd feel comfortable splitting out the tropicbirds now but beyond that I haven't really read the papers. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, we'll split Tropicbirds if you reckon that's a no-brainer. I am happy to leave it until all this settles down. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Just thoughts on fungi articles

Hya Cas. What are your thoughts on formalising the ==Description== sections with square bullets, as demonstrated by another user (sorry i dont know name, but seems very knowledgeable) in Agaricus bitorquis. Tidier... or do you prefer rolling prose?

• Also; do you know anyone who could wack in some microscopic details at the end of Fungi articles? I hasten to add that it will not be me....It is green, isn't it? Luridiformis (talk) 09:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The overwhelming preference is for rolling prose. When one gets more sources it can go quite well. I have some micro details to add. and yes it is a little green Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Featured image

"Image:Malurus cyaneus cyaneus.jpg" is a featured picture. It might be a good one for the infobox because it shows a pair together. I do not know what subspecies it is, so I can not write the caption?Snowman (talk) 10:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Any picture from Tasmania is subspecies cyaneus (nominate race), while any from Oz mainland is cyanochlamys. The picture which is a pair is from Victoria (i.e. the mainland) and is also cyanochlamys. I am happy for you to tweak the page. Go for it.. :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I accidentally linked the wrong image above. Image:Male and female superb fairy wren.jpg is a featured picture. It might be a good one for the infobox because it shows a pair together. I do not know what subspecies it is, so I can not write the caption? Snowman (talk) 10:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The picture which is a pair is from Victoria (i.e. the mainland) and is also cyanochlamys. I am happy for you to tweak the page. Go for it.. :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:55, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

On looking into it a bit further I see that the image is a composite with the male being painted in from another image. I think is was wise not to use this image on the page, as it may show the birds in an unnatural pose. I think that it is probably a modification too far, so I have opted to keep the composite out of the FA page. Sorry to have taken up some of your time over this image. Snowman (talk) 11:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

No worries. It is intriguing as to how mcuh modification is ok, and at what point one decides there are problems. It was only on looking a few times that I realised many of my wildflower books have photos of plants where extra branches with flowers have been 'inserted' before the picture is taken...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your !vote at my RFA

Thanks!

Thank you, Casliber, for your support !vote at my RFA. I will be doing my best to make sure that your confidence has not been misplaced. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 18:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

PR experiment

Dear Casliber, I'm writing in hopes of enlisting your aid in a four-month experiment at Peer Review (PR). The success of the experiment will depend on finding at least 10 editors willing to review at least one article a week through the end of October 2008. The experiment will employ a streamlined review process designed to insure that every nominator who seeks a review gets one and that reviewers do not waste time doing long reviews for nominators who do not respond to an initial short review.

The way it works is this: (1) Choose any article at Peer Review that lacks a review. Wikipedia:Peer reviews by date, especially the backlog list, is still a good place to find such articles. (2) Provide a short partial review based on your initial observations and wait to see if the nominator responds. Examples of short reviews can be found at Wikipedia:Peer review/Foreign relations of India/archive1 and Wikipedia:Peer review/Ed Stelmach/archive1. (3) If the nominator does not respond, the review is done. (4) If the nominator responds, continue the review as you see fit.

The experiment will require no noticeable administration. However, if you plan to participate, it would be helpful if you posted a brief note to Wikipedia talk:Peer review to that effect.

At the end of October, we can see how the experiment turned out and whether this process or some modification of it could sustain Peer Review permanently with minimal backlogs. If you can help, that would be great. If not, that's perfectly OK. We are all tremendously busy with a lot of different projects.

I have chosen to write to you in part because you've done peer reviews from the backlog during the past four months. Please forgive the form-letter nature of this note, which is more efficient than a personal note. With respect and thanks for your hard work on many projects, Finetooth (talk) 05:00, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Hiya

There is some issue regarding your lovely mushroom articles (hook facts being uncited). Please visit suggestions page and deal with the problems, because I'd love to use the images for lead hook in DYK. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear, should be an easy fix. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

ultraviolet

Thanks again for undeleting this. Following your suggestion, I've included the award in Category:Barnstar award templates and also put it on Wikipedia:Personal user awards#General awards, next to the You are a Ray of Sunshine! award, to which it actually is a corollary. I think I had initially hesitated to do that because imho too many people do not rightly ( not: 'rightly not' ...) hesitate to promote their little ideas, which this of course also is. Feel free to tweak / move it as you see fit. I also linked to my subpage (something that curiously isn't done on most awards listed there). Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 13:02, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Hehehe, good placement XD Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Russula nigricans

On 2 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Russula nigricans, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 14:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Really???

He placed it in Psilocybe in 1995. How did that one get past Phillips? I must start getting 'Field Mycology' mag again. Did he put the others in as well?? Luridiformis (talk) 15:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Hygrocybe coccinea

Which redwood are we talking about? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

If you are not sure, we can change the hook to "... that it is edible" or something like that. I mean, the common knowledge is that bright-colored mushrooms are poisonous but this thing is apparently not, which will spark readers' curiosity, and it might end up here. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I guess you are offline. I tweaked the hook a bit. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Ahem...

I can't believe you're trying to set your Talk page in blackletter. That's just really... bold (no pun intended :). Anyway, why don't you try a font stack instead of specifying a single typeface? I don't think may folks will have Old English Text on their systems, but nearly everyone has the Lucida family, so if you replace

font-family:Old English Text MT

with

font-family:Old English Text MT, Lucida Blackletter, serif;

people who've got Lucida Blackletter will see your Talk page in a close approximation of the way you intended it; otherwise, only folks with Old English Text will, and the rest of us will be stuck with Times! Anyway, I hope all's well (and I haven't forgotten :) Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 18:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Hygrocybe coccinea

On 2 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hygrocybe coccinea, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 21:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Fungi Categorisation

Hi Casliber. Thanks for the barnstar.  : ) I'll have a look at the new category when I get a mo. There are a couple of fungi still in Category:Basidiomycota that need moving. Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 07:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

g'day cas.....

hope you're good.... and I look forward to another beer or two in due course - wherupon I will take you to task for your godawful choice of talkpage fonts! :-)

I saw your question to FT2 about expansion of the arbcom - and wondered if you'd be interested in taking a look at this page - where you could solicit the views of a few active arbs? - your input there would be welcomed regardless! cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 10:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)btw... I think I stole the 'cheers' thing from seeing your contributions around the place....!

Everyme (Dorftrottel) and I are planning something (see above and his talkpage) - this is an experiment to see if I can look at this font for any length of time without going stark raving mad...and I think it can't last much longer.....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

My RfA

I hope the other kids at school play with me...

Thank you for your support in my recent RfA, which closed successfully. I felt the process was a thorough review of my contributions and my demeanor, and I was very gratified to see how many editors took the time to really see what I'm about and how I can be of help to the project. As a result, some editors changed their views during the discussion, and most expressed specific, detailed points to indicate their opinion (whether it was , , or ).

A number of editors were concerned about my level of experience. I was purposeful in not waiting until a particular benchmark occurred before requesting adminship, because I feel - as many do - that adminship is not a reward and that each case is individual. It is true that I am not the most experienced editor around here, but I appreciate that people dug into my contributions enough to reach the conclusion that I seem to have a clue. Also, the best thing about this particular concern is that experience is something an editor - or administrator - can always get more of, and I'll continue doing that, just as I've been doing. (If I seem a little slow at it, feel free to slap me.)

I am a strong believer in the concept that this project is all about the content, and I'm looking forward to contributing wherever I can. Please let me know if I can be of any help. In the meantime, I'm off to school...

Thanks again!

 Frank  |  talk  13:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for all your help, as i stagger drunkenly through the Wiki world. Thanks for the DYK things, and one day you might tell me what a 'Casliber' is?

Thanks again...Luridiformis (talk) 14:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Had to laugh...

Wasn't sure if this was tongue in cheek, but made me laugh out loud (I am a medical doctor so PR (Per Rectum), means rectal exam, on an article mentioning 'Uranus' well.. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

No, it was definitely not tongue-in-cheek, but that is amusing. Thanks.—RJH (talk) 16:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Boletus legaliae

On 4 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Boletus legaliae, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 13:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Independence Day!

As you are a nice Wikipedian, I just wanted to wish you a happy Independence Day! And if you are not an American, then have a happy day and a wonderful weekend anyway!  :) Your friend and colleague, --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 21:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:TFA/R

You didn't do Sirius and now you missed it; your fault. (oh, Happy Fourth of July, LOL !!!!) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Huh? It didn't have to be on the fourth, just some vague time in the middle of July, but there have been a few star/astronomy articles on mainpage so I can imagine it might wait a year. Not too fussed really, not worth elbowing folks out of the way on the request page. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I can't read this page. Another astronomy article is up now, which would mean Sirius couldn't be up. It's not about the date. If you want Sirius, go replace Earth (Wrad said it's OK, pick an open date). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

The text is hard as heck to read here :| Gary King (talk) 21:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the edit conflict. Thank god for firefox, which is easy to retreive stuff with backspace. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

When you get an edit conflict, there's a box at the bottom of the page that keeps the text you entered :) Gary King (talk) 22:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I was practising to see if I could look at this without going stark raving mad after too long. But I think it won't work..gonna make a cute talk page like a pirate treasure map you see, with User:Everyme.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Sirius is now at WP:TFA/R, after my nagging for you. Will you please go over and straighten out the date confusion? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Collared Lory

On 5 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Collared Lory, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 13:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Third FA for the Everglades project!

Way to go team! Restoration of the Everglades has just become an FA! Three down and two to go! Geography and ecology of the Everglades and Everglades could use your eagle eyes! Awadewit (talk) 16:25, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

FA-Team Proposals

Please comment on the current FA-Team proposals. Thanks! Awadewit (talk) 16:40, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Stropharia aeruginosa

On 5 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Stropharia aeruginosa, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 19:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Re-using text

How do you feel about re-using blocks of text between related articles? I know you've written quite a few fairy wren and Banksia articles - do you re-write common info from scratch, cut and paste between articles, or something in between? I find myself cutting and pasting between Ficus articles, and I'm not sure if it's a good thing (easier writing, more consistent look) or a bad thing (since they end up looking kinda "cookie-cutter"). Thoughts? Guettarda (talk) 22:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I have thought about this alot and Wikipedia has provided an interesting platform in figuring out where I stand over the past couple of years - the idea of where to include the bulk of information etc. Most people focus on species as the unitary measure, defining entity, or 'page', though in prehistoric critters it is the genus level. All guidebooks and much research stands on specific definitions as entities. Anyway, using the whole 'Wikipedia is not paper' guideline is useful as books often have 'as x' for similar species. I guess thinking about it, mine can be anywhere from 30-70% common material that has been copied over, and ywhere from tiny to huge bits rewritten. It is funny taking 6 fairy wrens through FAC and seeing different things picked up. I often then go back and institute really good suggestions. I think if it is really good prose, then I have no problem with its replication. Funny thing was, I wasn't going to do the last two feiry wrens I did but 2 new editors contributed a stack of material and I started copyediting it, and then thought it'd be good to take them all the way. It turned out that fixing other prose probably took more work than srarting from scratch but there was some nifty research going on. So in summary, yes I do cut and paste - and as people focus on specific entities, I have no problem with replicating info that may fit better under a subgenus or genus, say, into each species. Also, the further you look into it, there are subtle differences often (eg. strength of evidence or individual vagaries) which are difficult to explan without setting up the background information inclusively. The only other person who has significantly disagreed is a mycologist on the fungi articles and he has some valid points too. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Very useful thoughts. I hadn't really thought about how this fits in with levels of organisation above species. They tend to be pretty badly neglected.

And btw - wrt my FAC comments - feel free to ignore the ones that are just structural. Guettarda (talk) 00:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I am a psychiatrist in real life, so watching the people doing and reading the science is fascinating like the science iself. hehehe. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Sadly I don't have online access to Australian Systematic Botany, which would be very helpful with Ficus macrophylla and Ficus rubiginosa. Guettarda (talk) 04:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Took a shot at Ficus macrophylla. Even in the super-abridged form, it's enough to make my head spin. Guettarda (talk) 07:07, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Started poking around, and we need a Ficus working group - maybe a subpage at WP:PLANT - to keep track of them all... Guettarda (talk) 19:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Splitting biology

I keep waiting for Yomangani to come back, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen, and bio just keeps growing. Raul weighed in, so let's pow-wow with Tim Vickers and Tim Marskell here and get on with it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The Library

Hya Cas, if you walked into your local library, and instead of the books being neatly placed on shelves, and in the appropriate categories, the books were in an untidy pile in the middle of the floor. You would be dead shocked! On seeing this; if you then took it upon yourself to put all the books back on the shelves, and in the right places, after much effort you would be quite satisfied, and justly proud. However; on returning to the library some days later, you would be even more shocked to see that all the books were again in an untidy pile on the floor. Such were my feelings on entering the library of Gymnopilus junonius this very morning. Aah well!... can't win 'em all..., but it does make one care a little less. Cheers Luridiformis (talk) 09:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

PLEASE IGNORE THIS CORRESPONDENCE.....Luridiformis (talk) 09:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Such is the beauty of the page history, wherein all old copies are recorded, and thus material can be reverted in the twinkle of an eye...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:07, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

FA-Team successes!

Indigenous people of the Everglades region, Draining and development of the Everglades and Restoration of the Everglades have all recently become FAs! King Arthur is now at FAC! Thanks to our hard-working team members! Awadewit (talk) 18:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Study

Hi,
I need your help. I am working on a research project at Boston College, studying creation of medical information on Wikipedia. You are being contacted, because you have been identified as an important contributor to one or more articles.

Would you will be willing to answer a few questions about your experience? We've done considerable background research, but we would also like to gather the insight of the actual editors. Details about the project can be found at the user page of the project leader, geraldckane. Survey questions can be found at geraldckane/medsurvey. Your privacy and confidentiality will be strictly protected!

The questions should only take a few minutes. I hope you will be willing to complete the survey, as we do value your insight. Please do not hesitate to contact me or Professor Kane if you have any questions.

Thank You, Sam4bc (talk) 19:06, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Pulmonary contusion

Hey Casliber, I thought you did a great job reviewing SAH in its FAC. I'd like to try to get Pulmonary contusion to FA status, but I'm kind of nervous about it as I've never done one and I don't know how close it is. Would you mind having a look at it? Or could you point me to someone who could give me a copy edit or a review? Thanks much, you do an amazing amount of excellent work around here, keep it up. Peace, delldot talk 03:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

See section above. I should do more medical stuff anyways. i.e. I'll try to have a lookover a bit later. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I'm off to bed now but I'll eagerly implement your suggestions in the morning. I sure appreciate your help. Peace, delldot talk 05:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the cleanup duty on my talkpage. Avruch 21:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem - dang this page is long to load....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Green Rosella

On 8 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Green Rosella, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 03:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

A discussion

A discussion on Should WikiProjects get prior approval of other WikiProjects (Descendant or Related or any ) to tag articles that overlaps their scope ? is open here . We welcome you to participate and give your valuable opinions. You are receiving this note as you are a member of WikiProject Council -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 12:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Evolutionary history of life

Talk:Evolutionary_history_of_life#Structure_and_questions raises some issues about (deficiencies in, to be honest) Evolutionary history of life. One of the biggest problems is that it's too animal-centric, and desperately needs input from people with knowledge of paleobotany and paleomycology - starting with identifying what should be covered. Can you handle that and / or recruit others who can? Philcha (talk) 20:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

FYI

A few more Aus. fig species. Guettarda (talk) 22:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you check out our DSM-IV proposal and provide any feedback? Thanks Mindsite (talk) 22:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

DSM-IV

Can you check out our DSM-IV proposal and provide any feedback? Thanks Mindsite (talk) 22:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

could you have a look...

At Magnetic resonance neurography? I was cleaning up the references and it turns out that clearly the contributor (Afiller (talk · contribs)) is one of the inventor of the technology. While I don't think there is much COI going on, I figure it'd be best if someone with a more medical background had a look. Circeus (talk) 17:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ficus coronata

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--BorgQueen (talk) 17:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

yeeeehhhaaaa!

My uni has finally stumped up and I have access to Emu. Let me know if you need anything. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that's great! I'll bear it in mind...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice work

Nice work on Russula sardonia Cas.Luridiformis (talk) 04:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Map request

Sure, I'd be happy to! heyjude. 00:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I have it saved file; I also just uploaded my version of the map ([6]). Let me know if you want any alterations made. heyjude. 15:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Medicine Barnstar
		To Casliber, for outstanding commitment to WikiProject Medicine. Axl (talk) 21:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

thx! another to go on the mantlepiece... Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:08, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

My RFA Thanks

Thank you for your support at my RFA; it closed a short while ago as a success. As support comments go, yours was certainly one of the briefest. And what do I have to say to such brevity? Cheers! Once again, thank you. StephenBuxton (talk) 23:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I had my hands full (literally, well one of them anyway) which is usually the reason for brevity. congrats. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:46, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Willie Wagtail rangemap.jpg)

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I'm not sure if you are aware but maps from the Birds Australia Atlas are visible here [7] if you click on the "Maps & Lists" heading (above the map) you will see a blank 'drop-down list on the left....add first couple of letters of species-name (ie wi for Willie-wagtail) to that and it should show matches underneath. You should then get a fairly reasonable reference distribution map, hope this helps. Aviceda talk 06:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, the Oz part was easily found online, it was the PNG and Indonesian territory I lacked. I have uploaded it for Jude to make a derivation of for the Willie Wagtail article, which I am about to nominate at FAC. Good site and a very handy link which I hadn't seen before though. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Russula sardonia

Could you provide a citation for the fact that it "has a hot, peppery taste"? I think it will make a more interesting hook. Thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

OK - give me a minute or two to double check. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Will it be safe to say "inedible mushroom = poisonous mushroom"? --BorgQueen (talk) 07:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to one of the major headaches of mushroom guidebooks. Of course in nature there is a gradient of edibility/toxicity with mushrooms causing all degrees of problems along this spectrum. Inedible can either mean just foul-tasting or mildly poisonous with gastric upsets. You could call it mildly poisonous I guess. Technically it is a gastric irritant when raw and just too hot tasting to be eaten otherwise...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Fascinating. So it can be eaten when cooked, although it will be too hot tasting for culinary use. Am I correct? --BorgQueen (talk) 08:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and there are a bunch of red russulas to make it even more confusing - we already have Russula emetica as one here, and I wil pop a DYK nom for Russula sanguinaria soon - repetitive I know but they are vry pretty :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I think you could try writing a novel on mushroom someday. After a nuclear war, the protagonist tries to survive almost soley on various mushrooms. How about that? :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 08:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK - Russula sardonia

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Rudget (logs) 10:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

An extended family

There are conjoined twins on the 'Blusher' page. They are in need of a life saving operation, and i'm afraid only one will survive. I hope the extended family at the bottom will leave the room. Do you know a surgeon? Luridiformis (talk) 19:12, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Aha, there is a bit of a story behind that one. There has been some discussion over whether each species should have their own page or not. The most active contributors to fungi to date have been me and Peter G Werner who prefers more substantial articles with clusters of similar species - thus we have Blusher merged, and the same with Blewit, rather than every species having a spearate article. I generally favour the latter, although Peter is much better qualified than me to advise on this. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I see......difficult! I'm with you on it tho...that blusher page is an unscientific mess. I don't even know what the photograph depicts. Also,,, well qualified, or not...to head a mycology page with a 'common name' is beyond me. We might as well have just genus level pages, and bung them in like a dustbin. It also detracts the interest from individual species, and is confusing to people with less knowledge of the subject. Surely every species on earth deserves a 'click' of it's own? Oh well!.. i'm off to the 'Flowers' page to find 'Cauliflower'. Mind you...it might be on the 'Goes well with cheese' page. Cheers Cas.Luridiformis (talk) 06:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Did you know?

On 13 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ficus obliqua, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Ryan Postlethwaite 23:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Figipedia

Well...there are 750 figs if you trust Berg, but I get the impression he's a major lumper. There are 92 articles in Cat:Ficus, so there's room for at least 600 DYKs. Then there's at least one fig wasp per fig, so we could round it up to 1000 DYKs. And shooting for 10% FAs and 20% GAs...that would be 300 GA/FAs. FLs for the orders, for "Figs by country" or region, and for the Sections. And then a few dozen FTs. How's that sound for a start?  :)

Of course, then we'd need to rename the thing Figipedia. Guettarda (talk) 01:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Hehe, brilliant :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Wait...you have almost 1/3 more FA noms than Giano and you're this polite? I thought civility was only for us plebs with less than 10 FAs. Guettarda (talk) 01:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

No, going on some number theory, I have exactly double Dweller's, and he is a modicum of civility - must be some numerological synergy ... :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't buy it. Given your profession, I'm guessing that it's all part of some sort of mind-control plot. :) Guettarda (talk) 02:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

(eyes looking to above-left, or is that above-right)...erm....no.... XD Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Deleted article

Cas, would you kindly paste the deleted text of the article Lauren Scheff to User:Laser brain/scheff? I want to see if I can salvage a decent article out of it. Thanks. --Laser brain (talk) 05:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Done - I preserved the history by restoring, and moving the article then deleting the redirect. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Not ready

I'll do the A.echinocephala page at a later date. Still working on getting the definitive image, and this is hard. Have you seen the one in Phillips?...awful! I thought i would try another of Quelet's babies, from the Lepiota genus.Luridiformis (talk) 07:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Psychoactive drug - Thoric's chart is back

Hi, once upon a time you contributed to a discussion concerning a chart on the Psychoactive drug article, which was a Venn diagram depicting a classification system for psychoactive substances created by User:Thoric. I was under the impression that the community had spoken and that the chart had been deemed original research, and indeed the chart has been absent from the article for almost a year, but it has recently re-appeared and its creator is lobbying heavily for its inclusion. I would greatly appreciate your comments in the renewed discussion. Thanks! Steve Carlson^Talk 00:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

(groan)...ok, here we go again...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou

Thankyou very much for the prestigious award. I am very proud..BOWS! BOWS! BOWS!.....It is a pleasure to work on Project Fungi, although; at the end of the day i am only a 'mushroom snapper', with a little field knowledge, and a dozen guides. You are the puppeteer, and i'm Mr Punch. "That's the way to do it!" Thanks again. Luridiformis (talk) 07:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK

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--Gatoclass (talk) 09:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank you

		Thank you!
		Casliber, it is with deep awareness of the responsibility conferred by your trust that I am honored to report that in part to your support, my request for adminship passed (87/14/6). I deeply value the trust you and the Wikipedia community have in me, and I will embark on a new segment of my Wikipedia career by putting my new tools to work to benefit the entire community. My best to you, Happyme22 (talk) 03:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Russula sanguinaria

On 16 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Russula sanguinaria, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 11:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Aussie Psychiatrist

Indeed I am an Aussie, but no longer living there although I visit regularly. All the best. --CloudSurfer (talk) 07:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Updated Ucontribs

I added two columns and refined the scan logic on my most recent run, and since you are the originator of the concept, I re-evaluated you. Feel free to find any problems with the latest update, if you need an incentive, let me just say how disappointed I am that two weeks have passed and it is still not a solid list of FA's :) Also, if you're thinking of asking for a new program to show the changes between runs of my other program - no (at least not yet:). I'm wondering about putting in the latest "failed" status too, as in (Failed GA), but I'd need some category hints to work that in.

Thanks for the idea, what a great way to learn about article assessments; the wide range(/incoherence) of category names; and mostly, the great diversity of interests and accomplishments of editors of the wiki! Franamax (talk) 12:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh heck. I'll go and reply over there...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

userpage

(continuing in this thread despite the different topic) I've skimmed through several categories on commons, like Books and Mappae mundi and Image:Vinland Map HiRes.jpg comes closest to what I think you want. I like the borders, esp. the hue. Unfortunately, it's not easy to lighten and probably not possible at all to remove the ink (I gave it a half-assed try with GIMP). Anyway, just to see if we're on the same page as to your idea. Ideally, several similar but non-identical images of blank pages could be used for something similar to the DT userpage, considering that you have quite a lot of stuff on your userpage (with a different section on each page and some playful navigation). Or did you have something like a central disambiguation in mind, putting all the stuff in different subpages? I envision a self-made treasure map (the real problem would be to get the ragged border to look authentic) with an imagemap overlay on the different words (rendered into the image, possibly handwritten), linking to all the different sections (like on my old userpage or using subpages). And I see a compass rose in one of the corners (bottom right?). Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 18:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

(i) I like the font, but I'm not sure how well it would blend into the treasure map concept. (ii) I still can't believe that commons wouldn't have dozens of images like we're looking for among their roughly estimated ten thousand primary and secondary sexual characteristics copyvios. Oh well. On a related note, my GF is a graphic designer, maybe she has an idea where to get such an image, or can help create one that could be filled in. She's also great —professional, actually— with Photoshop, maybe she can alternatively clean up the Vineland map with some of those tools I never use). Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 06:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back to you earlier. Yes, I look for compass roses on commons, too, and I agree this one is nice and can also easily be used to put it in another picture. It's a pity that the background you found isn't free, because then we'd be ready to go. I've asked my GF about the Vineland map, but she said it would take ages to get it right. Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 23:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)