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About Women

Hi CFCF. I'm an editor (not very active till now) of the Italian Wikipedia, where the gender gap is a real problem. I'm trying to participate to an IEG with the project "Women are everywhere". You will find the draft at this link It would be great if you could have a look at it. I need any kind of suggestion or advice to improve it. Support or endorsement would be fantastic. Many thanks,--Kenzia (talk) 10:21, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

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Anatomy atlas

Coming from WPMED re your post. You might want to see Wikipedia_talk:Pictures_for_medical_articles. It's a rich nearly untapped PD sourceLeadSongDog come howl! 19:46, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Your attention needed at WP:CHU

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Translating SVG

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Archiving at Water fluoridation

Hello there. :) Why this? Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:47, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

People will be aware of the history, if you wanted to point to a specific issue a diff would have been better. Archiving might have been a little strong, but I did not feel that the section contributed anything. Carl Fredik 💌 📧 19:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi CFCF. I started that thread after posting at several project pages asking for involvement to help sort out a content dispute. I should have stated that. The initial thread was to get the ball rolling. The history link was a convenience link that helped those arriving to immediately see the story. An edit summary explaining would have been nice, but I'm not sure the oneclickarchiver does that. Anyhow, it doesn't matter now. A thread sorting things out was subsequently started. Best wishes. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:46, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Hey Carl I unarchived that section. While I agree something more specific would have been better, archiving it caused confusion because it was linked directly from notices placed on projects, and when editors tried to click through it didn't go anywhere. So, I restored it so new editors could at least have a target. Zad68 12:54, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I caused this. I should have said in the post that comments could be arriving there. My apologies. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Gonstead technique

What are you doing? Not only are there 5 secondary sources, this passed AfD as keep, there is no consensus to merge. Actually you didn't merge it you just redirect ... no. Valoem talk contrib 09:06, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Please read WP:MEDRS for proper sourcing guidelines when making health-claims. Carl Fredik 💌 📧 09:07, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
This actually does not have to pass WP:MEDRS did you review the AfD? Valoem talk contrib 09:09, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
It makes health claims, as such MEDRS applies. That is passed AfD at an arbitrary time does not impact this whatsoever. Neither does it impact the outcome of a merge - where I found no salvagable content to be merged. Carl Fredik 💌 📧 09:12, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I clearly avoided including health claims on Wikipedia per WP:MEDRS, where do you see health claims? Also this pass WP:MEDRS see here. Here is a very specific source if you don't want to go through it [1] non-chiropractic sources exist this is one of the few techniques that has legitimate studies. Valoem talk contrib 09:14, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I wouldn't characterize a few case reports in fringe chiropractic journals to be thoroughly studied... Carl Fredik 💌 📧 09:21, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
What are you talking about that's the "Journal of Physical Therapy Science", not a chiropractic source. Valoem talk contrib 09:24, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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There is no consensus to merge. I clearly disproved your arguments above. If you merge I will ANI. Two discussion are against merge. Your personal dislikes for the subject do not override policy and is considered disruptive editing. Valoem talk contrib 02:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Valoem — There was a wide appreciation of the merge — and you can not simply restore the article, leaving a massive duplication of text. It is also very interesting that you perceive my actions as based upon some form of dislike — of which I have not voiced a word. If adherence to evidence and science is termed dislike I suggest you leave Wikipedia — because all our core policies are based upon such principles. Please engage in the ongoing discussion at the main page instead of threatening editors. Carl Fredik 💌 📧 05:55, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Please link me the discussion which was closed with consensus to merge and I will personally revert. Both have passed AfD therefore the burden is on you to find consensus to merge, I laid my arguments out, I'll clear out the duplicated text. If you feel I've done something wrong please open an ANI. Valoem talk contrib 12:48, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
No, you reverted on the grounds of no consensus. That never holds any merit — you must provide a rationale, not simply shout "NO". I frankly do not care about ANI, I care about the encyclopaedia and these articles will be merged — especially so now that I have seen strong evidence of support in the Fringe Noticeboard discussion you failed to link — which I did not know of. Carl Fredik 💌 📧 14:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
I have given plenty of source based reasoning for inclusion as have other editors such as Cunard and now there are three discussions on this matter here, Fringe Noticeboards and here. Valoem talk contrib 15:23, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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Suicide bag

Please discuss the changes you want to make on Talk. I oppose every change you've made so far and I'd like to discuss them with you. Many of the changes were tried by other people in the past, e.g. removing the diagram of the suicide bag, but were rejected on consensus. Thank you. See you on the Suicide Bag Talk page. Ratel (talk) 20:23, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Controversial statements, even those in images require sources. See WP:RS, WP:Verify. Carl Fredik 💌 📧 21:32, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Bringing Muscle to GA?

Hey Carl, I hope everything's going well for you... and what a great user page! If you have any spare time on top of your many extra endeavours, how would you feel about trying to bring Muscle to GA with me? It seems to be mostly complete in terms of the content, and just needs some copyediting, citations and a bit of a cleanup. Thoughts? --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:13, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

LT910001, Tom — thanks for noticing, I'm working on designing a template and my own user page is sort of my beta. I'm definitely interested, and will take a look. I'm very busy up until early June, but from then I can hopefully put some more effort into it.
Best, Carl Fredik 💌 📧 11:54, 21 May 2016 (UTC) 
Thanks Carl, that sounds good. As you know I'll be busy until mid July anyway :). --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:40, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hi. I'm concerned that this 07:30, 5 May 2016 edit, made after your bold retargeting of 2 September 2015 did not generate an {{error}} (which I patrol for and correct). It didn't get fixed until I just fixed it after two weeks. As it's something I stumbled into for a different reason, it could have gone undetected much longer. My inclination is to want to convert Template:MI into a disambiguation page, but I don't see a precedent for that yet, as there is in project space, e.g. WP:MD and WP:NW. I suppose a solution would be to check {{MI}} for a date parameter, e.g. {{MI|date=May 2016}} and generate an error if the parameter is used, as date is not a valid parameter in that template, but should always be used in {{Mi}} (a bot adds that if the editor doesn't). – wbm1058 (talk) 22:02, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Also note that Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Template redirects should have been updated when you changed the target of that template redirect. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:06, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

When I changed the template it had no uses whatsoever, I cancelled the two that existed. That AutoWikiBrowser chose to use redirects instead of the real name is not something that should be an issue to editors, but to the developer. Creating a disambiguation is pointless, or actually downright disruptive, because it wastes time. This is really not a major issue, and I think it is best for everyone to just let it be as it is. (The editor who chose to use the template without checking that it did not at all work as he/she intended is at fault, not me or anyone else). Carl Fredik 💌 📧 22:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
One of the reasons there may be few uses of the shortcut is that part of AWB's general fixes is to expand shortcuts when it encounters them. "Wasting time" is a matter of one's perspective; one editor's time saved by typing a two-letter shortcut is counterbalanced by the time an editor unfamiliar with the shortcut needs to look it up. Thus, AWB will change {{MI}} to {{Multiple issues}} (or would have, until I made this edit. It's a challenge for developers to keep template redirects up to date, when various random editors keep adding new redirects, or changing them. I agree this is not a big deal, though I thought you should know some of the issues with making changes of this sort. wbm1058 (talk) 22:49, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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singling out

Dear CFCF, I hope that you do see that in this you are singling out the support section. May I ask you to be consistent? --Dirk Beetstra T C 10:57, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Beetstra — Feel free to move other comments as well — I did what I did following a somewhat "spammy" addition to the board by a single user, as opposed to the discussion that had occurred surrounding the other votes. Carl Fredik 💌 📧 11:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Well, on all those the first commenter is also in all cases the same. There is just a difference in timing (me asking questions in one go, there they were added as they went). Just saying. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

After some reading and discussion I have reverted on the basis of WP:TPO. I strongly believe that moving the comments to a separate section breaks them loose from the original comments they were connected to, and through that change their meaning. That in combination with the singling out of only doing that on support !votes, and because of the remark you make here above ("opposed to the discussion that had occurred surrounding the other votes" - where you turned some into discussion at after the move, and the fact that at least 2 were already discussions before the move), and because you are an interested party and not an uninvolved observer. --Dirk Beetstra T C 13:58, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Comparison of programming languages (types, type system)

Hi Carl, I had posted tags on the page to get it fixed but after some initial signs of that happening it now looks like the editor has abandoned it. It has since been PRODed 2 days ago by another editor (rightly so IMO). If contested but not fixed, I will bring it to AfD. Thanks, DeVerm (talk) 14:08, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg You seem to be signing as Fredik. Is that you? Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:56, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Bluerasberry — I can't believe I had made that typo in on the preference page — and that I didn't even notice it for a month. It should be fixed now, but that is a lot of comments that look pretty bad because I misspelled my own name xD. Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 08:49, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

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WikiProject Medicine + WikiProject X

Hello CFCF, I see you have been drafting a redesign of WikiProject Medicine using the WPX UI templates. Would you like my assistance with launching this on WikiProject Medicine, including the various automated reports that are available? Cheers, Harej (talk) 15:03, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Hey, Harej — I've been following your progress and WikiProject X is looking really polished. There are a couple of extra features I think we might need in WikiProject Medicine to get it rolled out completely. They are mostly minor, and shouldn't be too difficult to add I hope. The main ones I can think of are:
  1. Add a translation icon together with the other icons under the introductory text. I don't know if it should act as a link to WP:RTT or to create a summary module — but I quite like the icons at either File:Translation icon.svg or File:Language icon.svg
  2. Retain the old members list. I really like how the members list works in WPX, but I don't think we are prepared to forsake all our older members since we have so many.
Do you think these are reasonable? If you are willing to put some time into it I think we can very easily get this through with the WP:MED community and get it running.
Also, when are you going to Finland? Face-smile.svg Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 19:40, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
I can add a translation icon and embed the progress table with a link to the full page. Does that sound good? As for the members list, it would not require much effort for me to migrate it over to the new system, if that would work for you.
I don't know, when am I going to Finland? 🇫🇮 Harej (talk) 19:58, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Harej Wonderful, that works perfectly. I'm pretty busy right now, but if you are going to Wikimania we can probably set it up there and make the whole thing live. I'll try to fix some of the modules before that so that it can be a pretty straightforward process.
I thought you were going on some conference with the CDC to Finland? Maybe I was mistaken.
Best, Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 22:04, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately I will not be going to Wikimania. Will Doc James and other WikiProject Medicine members be around? We could have a video call and launch the project that way! (I will play nice with the Central European time zone.)
And that was Denmark, in April. (It was relocated from Helsinki.) It was great! Harej (talk) 23:24, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Will be at Wikimania. Easier to meet from home though. Lets look at getting together after. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:18, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Together in what sense? We live thousands of kilometers from each other! However I would be interested in video conferencing with you all in the next few weeks. Harej (talk) 16:16, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

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It's an edit-a-thon!

Looks like we were both working on Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/sandbox at the same time. How do you think it is coming along? Think we could launch it soon?

Of note, I got some feedback from people on IRC, and they recommended either compressing the header image or removing it altogether. It is very large in size—causing the page to load slowly—and it interferes with some gadgets. Harej (talk) 20:27, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

It isn't a must, but I think it adds a bit of extra flavor to the page. I'll redo it as a jpeg, sometimes my internet is too fast so I don't notice when things load slowly. I'll pop by IRC soon, need to go see to the washing machine first. Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 20:30, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

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Books & Bytes - Issue 17

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The Interior via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:36, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Androgen replacement therapy reversion

This reversion removed a bunch of legitimate fixes and valid additions. Please be more discerning in the future. Exercisephys (talk) 23:53, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

It also removed a merge proposal notification. Exercisephys (talk) 00:11, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
We don't merge articles that detail treatments in this way, and of all the "fixes" one was legitimate, and only marginally so — the see more-link to the Testoterone#Treatment page. Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 05:30, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Nope, I count at least three or four, which have since been reintroduced. Exercisephys (talk) 16:46, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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Removal of merge notification tag (again)

Replace the merge notification tag that you removed again. I'm not cleaning up your mess a second time. Exercisephys (talk) 16:36, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

WP:SNOWBALL — it isn't going to get merged. You're creating a mess, not cleaning one up. Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 19:55, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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Hey Carl. Wondering what these links mean? [2] They do not work for me. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:18, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


"Media" is plural. Dr.enh (talk) 15:38, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Dr.enh - how is this related to me? Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 15:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
You reverted this revision[3] of mine.Dr.enh (talk) 02:07, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Media is uncountable. Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 09:08, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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