Sockpuppetry aside, though, aren't those paragraphs a little less than fully NPOV? Some of the language seems a little loaded there. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I'd be happy to discuss on the talk pages in question; I'm more than a little hostile to RE's socky little additions but I try to be scrupulous in attribution to sources. Doesn't mean I'm right. Please feel free to review and correct, if I have any issues I'll raise them. Some of the reviews are not available online, but I have PDFs I can e-mail you. WLU(t)(c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 12:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Watching a contrib page
In the discussion at a certain editor's talk page, you said something about having their contributions on watch lists. Is there a way for a regular editor to add a contributions page to a watch list? --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 14:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't that be neat? Or not, I guess. I just meant that we'll notice if someone gives them a warning or writes them a note, and that everyone who has reviewed the block will probably be checking in when it expires to see their contribs. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
It would be a nice feature, but it could lend itself to abuse. Fortunately, we're not in a hurry, and there's always time to sort out this kind of behavior. Acroterion(talk) 14:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I agree; no reason to enable wikistalking, which would be all that feature would really be good for. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Wikistalking tastes like candy. Specifically, marzipan. Containing almonds. Which have poison in them. Poetic. WLU(t)(c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 15:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
It's possible someone is simply putting cyanide in WLU's marzipan. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Gender-specific words
Hi, I saw your reversion of my edit of Ann Bannon, where you said you preferred the "gender-neutral" word "hero" instead of "heroine". I must admit I've heard this a few times recently and assumed that the speakers were being sloppy. The word "heroine" is gender-specific, but so is "hero". Ms Bannon is specifically feminine, so if a feminine word exists why not use it? I ask out of genuine interest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick Neylan (talk • contribs) 22:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
'Hero' is not gender-specific, but is applied to both male and female heroes, like 'actor' or 'teacher.' Why use 'heroine?' Is there some specific meaning conveyed by 'heroine' that isn't communicated by 'hero?' I would never use the word 'heroine' in this context, to describe a female role model- the only way I ever hear the word used is to describe fictional characters. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
FWIW I'd disagree. To me "hero" is gender-specific (male), as is "actor". The terms are descriptive, without any value loading. I freely admit this is my personal viewpoint and is not consistent ("teacher" is to me nonspecific and I blink a little when my mother, aged 76, refers to a "lady doctor" or a "male nurse" but hell, she is 76) but I do think that you may be going a little far in saying prescriptively "hero is not gender-specific". Your view, and I would defend to the death, etc, but still your view. Cheers, TonywaltonTalk 00:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
FisherQueen-You left a message threatening to have me banned for making a threat of legal action. That was bad faith on your part, since I never made any such threat to sue anyone. I merely raised the issue that biographies of living persons should not contain defamatory information since the person who is the subject of the article could bring a legal action. That is very different from making a threat to sue someone. Please do not make unwarranted threats to ban someone. Thank you. Theo789 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theo789 (talk • contribs) 16:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
FisherQueen, I see that now you are threatening to ban me for making edits to an article about a living person to present a more neutral view and diminish any libelous aspects. Please stop with these threats. It is really upsetting and obnoxious for you to be making such threats. Theo789 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theo789 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
It wasn't so much a threat as a warning. A block is more or less inevitable if you continue in the way you have been, and I thought it was fair to warn you first, though warnings aren't required. Is there any possibility that you will believe the users who have told you that your way of editing isn't the way we do things at Wikipedia? Do you have any intention of editing differently? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Where can I open a discussion about your threats and harassment, is there is place for that? Theo789 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theo789 (talk • contribs) 18:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
You are welcome to open such a discussion at the same forum, the administrators' incident board. Remember to sign your post using four tildes (~~~~), to include diffs of the specific examples of my behaving badly, and to clearly state what administrator action you think is called for. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
HellinaBucket
(throwing up hands in frustration) Well, you can't say that we didn't try... I've had enough and will just have to wait and see what happens when the block runs out in a few hours. —Travistalk 12:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
That is more or less my response. My years of experience tell me that she'll immediately run back to the same article and start flinging poo in all directions, whereon she'll be blocked again and it'll be all the fault of the incompetent administrators. But maybe she'll pleasantly surprise me. That would be nice. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I just assume everyone on the internet is female until I learn otherwise. He, then. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Matter of perspective, I guess. The couple of years I wasted playing WoW left me with the impression that most of the females were actually males. :D —Travistalk 13:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I just get tired of other users assuming everyone is male, so I do my part to even the average. I call God 'she' for more or less the same reason. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Really??? Very perplexing behavior indeed. We shall see... though sadly I have a small amount of faith in my "prediction". - CobaltBlueTony™talk 13:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I am sure she doesn't intend to be stalking me, but is simply remembering how bad it feels to be blocked, and reaching out to other users to try to ease their pain. It's a kindhearted impulse, really, but not as useful when it's directed to simple vandals. I'm sure that in future, she'll check the contribs and make sure she's only reaching out to those blocked users who have something useful to contribute. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
No not stalking you, just pointing out that you do not always research as edxhibited above.HellinaBucket (talk) 13:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Do you mean User:Gaffers? I took a close look at her contribution history, including the articles that have been deleted, in which she pretty plainly states that she wants to have fun being destructive on Wikipedia. I assume that you took a closer look at her contribution history; what did you think of her edits? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I mean me, if you are unable to tell the differences between a man or woman how can your research be trusted?HellinaBucket (talk) 13:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Your sex is not relevant to your edits at Wikipedia; you'll find that many users don't consider it very important, since it doesn't have any effect on the encyclopedia. A user's actual edits are what is important; what did you think of User:Gaffers's edits? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I see correct information is not valued here. Yes the user has appeared to violate the policies here but that is no reason for you or Travis to get Rude with them. In this case more so Travis then you although both instances are inappropriate because it amounts to taunting that person. The above posting saying it is good intentioned is correct. Maybe my comment can help ease that persons anger over mistreatment (real or percieved).HellinaBucket (talk) 14:03, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I added a partial copy of this cmment to Gaffers page to clarify I was not supporting the policies being broken.HellinaBucket (talk) 14:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Your last comment there was entirely unacceptable. No matter how you feel about me, you may not leave messages for blatant vandals which encourage them to continue vandalizing. The user you are talking to is a child, and should not be encouraged to vandalize further. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Again thats why i went to the page to clarify i do not support vandalism, I'm etremely sorry it looks that way but you guys weren't being very civil.HellinaBucket (talk) 14:42, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Someetimes people don't have the barrier between mouth and brain and just calling someone a vandal is what i am talking about. Always assume good faith, even if it's not that just provokes a situation and makes it worse. trying to help that person not feel as attacked.HellinaBucket (talk) 14:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I am calling that user a vandal because he is a vandal. He has been vandalizing for months, ignoring all warnings to stop. He created two articles which said that he thinks vandalism is fun, and used the word 'vandal' to describe himself. Only an idiot assumes good faith after the evidence clearly shows that there is not good faith. And you will not confuse him by making him think that there's any right on his side, because then he'll just come back and vandalize for months more, and I haven't seen any sign that you are at all interested in cleaning up vandalism, so I'll be the one who has to deal with his mess. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I am merely disagreeing with you. You are a teacher so you should know about conflict resolution, I never said anything about you or your post. I'm merely pointing out we should still Assume Good Faith and treat user with kindness. Statements that a person is just a vandal is rude and provocative. The person may have broken policies on wikipedia but that does NOT sum that persons entire character. Does removing trivia count as removing vandalism?HellinaBucket (talk) 14:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I myself believe that admin are to be bheld to a higher standard then all other Wikipedia users. One of the five pillars in wikipedia is to Assume Good Faith. Even if a user has been blocked that assumption should continue not berating his requests for unblock. The assumption should be that when and if the block is lifted the behaviours will be remedied. Remember that user is probably very upset and wanting to lash out. Why give them further excuse? My block was different then that users but I feel in mine that the research wasn't properly coordinated or handled. I definitly tried Good faith assumptions with that user, reached out several times and the attacks continued. I tried getting third partied invovled until I lost my cool. The block while in my mind unnec. served it's purpose and had it's desired effect. I did see a complete lack of admin ermpathy though and maybe if you were to employ that more with your admonshments it would be better recvd. Sometimes you don't look at things as taunting but something as simple as a refusal to acknowledge someones gender even if after pointed out is areas for improvement. help me understand your point, i'll discuss rationally without rancorHellinaBucket (talk) 15:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Your block is over, and no longer relevant. Your edits to User:Gaffers are inappropriate, for the reasons I have explained. It is not 'taunting' to identify a vandal as a vandal, and that User:Gaffers feels unwelcome and goes away is a good thing, since his presence is harmful to the encyclopedia. You appear to have stopped, so that's no longer relevant, either. You are male, which has nothing to do with anything. I know that you do not care about gender on Wikipedia, either, because you have chosen a username which is similar to 'Helena,' a female name. Most users will assume you are female, and that's fine. Travis has a username that is a male name, so I call him 'he,' but I have no idea what his gender is, nor do I care, since editing Wikipedia does not require the use of a penis. When other people assign me the wrong gender, I do not care, and am not being 'taunted.' So that's no longer relevant, either. All of those things are over. There is a current and ongoing problem, which is that you appear to be unable to accept any kind of correction; when corrected, you instead look for reasons that you aren't wrong. Compare your talk page with the archived talk page from my first two months at Wikipedia. Mine has people correcting me, just like yours does. But mine doesn't have me getting angry, or coming up with long arguments about why the people correcting me are wrong. I just read the linked policies, understood what I'd done wrong, and did it differently next time, with no hard feelings. Some of the people who corrected me in my first month at Wikipedia are the same people who recommended that I be made an administrator. Here's my first request for adminship. It failed. Notice that nowhere on that page will you find me angrily arguing with the people who said I shouldn't be an administrator. Here's my second request for adminship. Notice that several people mention that my ability to learn from my errors and from correction is an asset that made me a better editor. People who can accept correction and learn from it go on to become useful editors. People who react to every correction with a day-long argument go on to be blocked as disruptions. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:28, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Fisher, my block is over. I wanted to come by and apoligize. Yes apoligize. My behaviour the last week was disruptive and immature. I had to really think about what I was doing and the purpose of Wikipedia to really grasp what I needed to grasp. The fact is that this is a site that allows people to add to the collective pool of logic and knowledge. It is non-discriminatory to your education level so long as a you contribute usefully and I had to remind myself that this IS A PRIVILEGE and is something to value and hold in esteem. While sometimes seeming arbitrary and quick the block does serve a purpose in stopping people from doing what I was doing and does help maintain good standards for everyone else. I will attempt to work on taking correction better because it is definitly a flaw of mine that I struggle to control. I once again would like to apoligize for being a pain in your butt.HellinaBucket (talk) 19:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, thanks! Don't worry too much about your rough start; there are plenty of people out there who get off to a difficult beginning and go on to be useful and beloved members of the community. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 09:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I have a question for you. If I wanted to add the templates on my user page how would i do that? where would I do that? Specifically I'm trying to add "this user is a "HellinaBucket (talk) 13:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely sorry to bug, Vegkilla is following me around and reverting edits I've made on articles. Specifically The article on Professional Bull Riders. I removed the info because it was trivia and not well wrote, however due to the level of scrutiny I am under I am very hesitant to do ANYTHING about it but would like to get someone elses opinion on the matter. Can you look into it at all? I would appreciate any assisance on this matter. Sorrr if you think the best thing to do is drop it let me know I DEF. do not want to be blocked again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by HellinaBucket (talk • contribs) 10:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Mmm... weekends. Love them. I see you've discussed the VegKilla thing at WP:ANI, which is absolutely the right thing to do. I think your first question is about userboxes; you can find all you need to know, include templates for them, at WP:USERBOX. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 01:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Acording to the page on Franco Berardi, apparently there was a page about him, but its been deleted. Is there any reason for this on the log other than Notability, which is pretty eroneous (The guy is a touring philosopher who started the telestreet movement in italy and has been published in places like Semiotexte and others). Is there a record of the original page anywhere I can at least get info from? I'm not sure what went down that lead to the deletion (maybe it was a garbage article), but due to my inability to read the non english versions of the page, even the beginings of an english version would be neat. Cheers. Duck Monster (talk) 14:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
The entire text of the page I deleted on Franco Berardi was: "Franco Berardi Born: San Jose, Ca 1975 Occupation: Lighting Deisgner Web page: franco.berardi.com." If there's a notable person by that name, feel free to write about him. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Ah ok. Definately not the same Franco Berardi. Fair call then. Duck Monster (talk) 10:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
About my User Page
Thanks for responding to my talk page first however if I may ask why is keeping a personal log considered a Personal attack?--Sadbuttrue92 (talk) 11:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
As I said on your talk page, featuring your past personal attacks on your user page creates the impression that you are proud of them, and that you'd make similar attacks in the future. It will make other users think you are the kind of person who can't get along with other people, and you will find that other users are less willing to work with you. Keeping the record of your past harassment on your user page will make it more difficult for you to be successful on Wikipedia, and I think you would be wise to remove it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I see you're blocked now. I probably should have warned you more clearly that harassing other users is frowned upon at Wikipedia. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Hmph, I missed that, I admit. It was still WP:POINT to restore a picture of a troll, though, and he'd already been warned enough times before that. If he posts an unblock and someone accepts it, though, I won't complain. Black Kite 11:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
If you think it should be undone, you should go ahead and unblock, to save other admins having to wheel-war, in my opinion. :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
this is what I was writing to you before I was blocked any way I hope I'll get to keep the painting of Theodor Kittelsen "Troll pondering its age." without offending anyone ... guess I was wrong --Sadbuttrue92 --85.74.250.6 (talk) 11:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Oops, you logged out. I personally am neutral regarding the painting; if other users feel differently, I'm sure they'll be able to explain why on your talk page. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
The Helping Hand Barnstar
The Helping Hand Barnstar
For helping out a rookie not get Bitten and taking the time to discuss with him in spite of being an admin (occupied with several contributions every day) I Sadbuttrue92 award you with the Helping Hand Barnstar Sadbuttrue92 (talk) 12:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
articale Qamilshli
Assyrian (Assyria) just relegins (Christian) it’s not nation
We know as a Muslim Arab people there are no nation called Assyrian it’s false name, we know there are few hundred Christians living in Qamishli ,and they came from Greece and Turkey as asylums and Syrian government give hem full right in Syria ,and most of them they went to Europe and America, Canada .we never hearted about Assyrian in Qamishli ,maybe a few people left in Qamishli not more than 200 people.
Article Qamishli
Assyrian (Assyria) just relegins (Christian) it’s not nation
We know as a Muslim Arab people there are no nation called Assyrian it’s false name, we know there are few hundred Christians living in Qamishli ,and they came from Greece and Turkey as asylums and Syrian government give hem full right in Syria ,and most of them they went to Europe and America, Canada .we never hearted about Assyrian in Qamishli ,maybe a few people left in Qamishli not more than 200 people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.109.84.9 (talk) 12:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
It's not unusual for people to get involved in editing conflicts over the names of places. It's always about so much more than just the name, isn't it? Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia which calls things by the names that they are most commonly called in reliable sources, and is not an appropriate forum in which to try to fight out national conflicts. Since you haven't suggested a specific change to an article, or explained what Wikipedia rule or reliable source would support a desired specific change, there really doesn't appear to be anything I can do to assist you, other than warning you that Wikipedia is only an encyclopedia, and that if you continue to use it to fight your national conflict, you are likely to be blocked as a person who is not useful to the encyclopedia. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Personal attacks
Hello. In the ANI page, you wrote the following about my dispute with Opinoso:
When I reviewed the talk page, it looked like there were lots of personal attacks being thrown around on both sides. Don't worry; in a hundred years we'll all be dead, and other editors who can talk nicely to each other will sort out the right statistics.
I reviewed it too. As far as I can see, there are no personal attacks by me there. Can you please point to me where have I made them, so that I can more easily avoid making them in the future?
And, please, if you can't find any personal attacks by me, can you state that at the same thread were you said I have made them?
Thank you very much. Ninguém (talk) 01:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Two little tales for your enjoyment:
Joe stole John a chicken. John asked his lawyer what he should do, perhaps sue Joe? His lawyer gave him good advice: "don't, because in ten years everybody shall remember that you were involved in a theft, but no one will be sure if you were the victim or the thief".
A man spread a couple of lies about a lady. Going to church in Sunday, he told his confessor what he had done. The priest gave him a penitence: he should fetch a pillow, go to the top of the church's tower, rip the pillow open, and release its content (this was at a time when pillows were stuffed with feathers) into the wind, and then go back to the confessionary. The man was rather pleased with such an easy penitence, and did exactly what the priest told him. Then when he went back to the confessionary, the priest told him: "Good. Now go to the street and retrieve all the feathers you have spread". Ninguém (talk) 16:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't know how many white people live in Brazil. I cannot read the language that the disputed sources are written in, so I'm not able to weigh in on that discussion. I do not think there is anything I can do to help you. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot (talk) at 21:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
194x144x90x118
Take a look at what 194x144x90x118 (talk·contribs) has added to his talk page, what do you think the means by the IHO? Dougweller (talk) 05:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
It means in honor of, I laughed my ass of silly reading that stuff, it's simply beautiful.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 16:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Not too sure this suggests a productive / non-disruptive intent... - CobaltBlueTony™talk 16:45, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I have not been watching her contributions closely, so I can't speak to them, but the nonsense on her talk and user pages I saw today was not at all indicative of a helpful user. It would be nice, of course, if I were wrong. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Her aye? Personal attacks, it is obvious that I am not of the female gender, keep up the good work.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 16:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
"...it is obvious that I am not of the female gender..." It is?? Gosh, I can't see through MY monitor; maybe something's wrong with my Windows. - CobaltBlueTony™talk 17:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Something is definitely wrong; you're using WINDOWS? You know there are functional browsers available, right? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I like Firefox; that's what I use at work, where I have a Windows machine inflicted upon me. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
T'cha. Everybody knows 194x144x90x118 is a boy's name. Like vindaloo, or Marion. TonywaltonTalk 01:16, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Question
Are you really both a lesbian and a Christian? How do you cope with the all the narrow minded pinheads?
I just live my life... they're the ones who are suffering in trying to cope with me. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 01:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Help if you had a chance, please
I've mostly finished my first contribution, Corset Controversy.
Did I get it right? The style and form, I mean.
Do you suppose you could take a look at it and tell me, please?
Its in my sandbox.
HeatherSmithfield (talk) 23:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)User:HeatherSmithfield
I think it looks good, and is definitely ready to move to Corset controversy. It's a really interesting article! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
I feel compelled to write to you as unless I am very much mistaken the above user recently posted on Wikipedia for the first time. The articles were not suitable, indeed I tagged one for a SD, and I see that you have now banned them for a year and used what seems to me to be a very sarcastic template to do so? I have to say I am very surprised at the way you have handled this. --Paste Let’s have a chat. 16:53, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
The template isn't sarcastic, but truthful- his edits indicate that he is a child who does not understand how to write research yet and here here only for vandalism, and rather than blocking him indefinitely, I have blocked him for one year, to give him the opportunity to learn more. If you think that there is an alternate course of action likely to yield useful edits today from this kid, I'll be happy to hear it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Off the top of my head, ban for a couple of days, see what transpires, offer adoption, coach, help, etc etc. Banning for a year immediately seems to me to be unprecedented.--Paste Let’s have a chat. 16:59, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that this user is even interested in writing for the encyclopedia? None of those remedies will be useful if he isn't, and I haven't seen any indication that he is even slightly interested in making useful edits. Prompt indefinite blocks for vandalism-only accounts are not unprecedented; in fact, they're very usual. It's my limiting it to one year that is unusual. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Was there any effort to directly engage the user outside of the templates? It would seem that the 4-strike methodology would have been more useful than only three strikes, without any impression that the user even saw the messages. Just my opinion. - CobaltBlueTony™talk 17:57, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot (talk) at 12:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Terence Davies
Hello! It was me, unlogged-in, who restored the information about Terence Davies never having acted professionally. It's mentioned here: [2]. --Chips Critic (talk) 00:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, that's all good, then. I'm afraid I was relaxing and reverting vandalism, and... well, you know how it goes. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
What the hell???
I put the effort into writing a brand new article for wikipedia and you just go ahead and delete without consulting me and then INSULT me with a computer generate template rather than a human response? Don't even bother in the future, I hope to never run into you again. I expect an apology. Poetwhofailstoknowit (talk) 16:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I deleted your article because I thought it was about a subject that didn't meet the notability criteria, but I'm open to the possibility that I was wrong. If you'll provide me with links to three articles that confirm this subject's notability, in newspapers, magazines, or significant online sources, I'd be happy to undelete the article, and I'll even add the sources to it so no one else will mistake it for an inappropriate article. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I provided external sources to significant websites which generate quite a bit of traffic. Does that not make it relative? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poetwhofailstoknowit (talk • contribs) 16:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
No, the rules at WP:WEB and WP:RS are the ones that apply at Wikipedia. I linked them for you already; I'm impressed that you've read them so quickly. You must read even faster than I do. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:16, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Don't be terse with me boy. You arrogantly I never read it. I have read all of wikipedia's rules and policies, I am very acquainted with them. Please restore my article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poetwhofailstoknowit (talk • contribs) 16:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
That's very impressive indeed; even I haven't read all of the rules, and I've been an administrator for several years. Yes, I'll be happy to restore your article as soon as you put the three reliable sources here- that way I can add the sources when I restore the article, and no one else will tag the article for deletion. Incidentally, you might refresh your memory on the rules regarding good manners; I believe you when you say you've read them already, but it would be a shame if you were blocked for speaking rudely anyway. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Please CEASE AND DESIST your course of PASSIVE AGGRESSION AND ARROGANT ASSUMPTIONS. My article stands, you MUST RESTORE IT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poetwhofailstoknowit (talk • contribs) 16:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Listen to her politely formulated warning, I've heard that tone before right before I was blocked. take her help, you will not win this battle, try and remember why we're here to make a credible entry, and to be credible we need sources. I'll even help if you need help adding your sources. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 16:36, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Hell. Thanks for the offer! If this actually is a notable web site, then I'm totally ready to restore it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:39, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Heh... you "must" restore it? Oh, this could be fun. :-) - Philippe 16:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I figured you are willing to help if you offer, but from my own experience sometimes we just have to back away and realign our editing priorities. Who knows if it is valid article the User should be eager for the help from someone more established (this doesn't nec mean me, still newer but these are things I've learned). Hell in a Bucket (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
What happens exactly if you don't restore the article? That is starting to sound like threats, maybe the user took HellinaBuckets surefire way to get blocked. Cussing and ranting only takes away from your arguements Poet, keep Cool and users will have more sympathy. You're only hurting yourself. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 16:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Aw, see, Poet, it's all fun and games until you get all vicious. FisherQueen offered to help. You have to understand the situation here. I think it would be in your best interests to apologize. - Philippe 16:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Me apologise to her after she treated me with such contempt? I have a right mind to report her for admin abuse, never mind 'apologise'. Poetwhofailstoknowit (talk) 17:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
You can report me at WP:ANI. Remember to include specific links to the rules I've broken and the places where I broke them, and to explain what administrative action you think should be taken. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC
I was speaking rhetorically. I'm not actually going to report you, because I recognise you were merely being passive aggressive, and we all know passive aggression is never punished in court, it is an insidious and sinister debating tactic by people who know the system well; hence they exploit all parts of the system they can and still to manage to get away with it. Thats why I won't report you, because you'll walk scotch free.
After all, what use is it to have the admins investigating the admins?
I hope to put this over us, but please do not be rude, passive aggressive or contemptuous of me ever again. Poetwhofailstoknowit (talk) 17:16, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Seriously ploease listen, I've been here and needed someone doing what I'm doing. I'm very willing to help but you have to drop the stick and back away from the dead horse. Fisher will help us we just need reliable sources. try and forget this page exists until we have 3 sources. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I guess, we tried anyways. This is my new crusade helping to mediate and remind people why we are here. seems self explanatory but sometimes it's not and we are blinding ourselves. Hope the rest of your day goes well. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
When editors do well, it's useful and makes the world a better place. When they don't... well, sometimes it's funny as heck. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:36, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Hate to say it but a talk page block is in order. Enforce a total cool-down, that's what it took with me and this is oddly reminscent of my tirade about you (minus the sex preference part, your buisiness not mine) Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:39, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that's more or less inevitable, but I'm letting the admin who reviews his unblock request shut the talk page down, so he can see that it isn't just me picking on him. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Good thinking. Unfortunately that was obvious after you offered to help resotre the article. But I dug my own grave they will too, hopefully shallow enough to climb out of it. Time will tell.Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, we like to leave that door open for people to change their habits, because sometimes they do. Most of our badly-behaved editors are kids, who grow older, wiser, and more useful. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:45, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
COI in Mark Bell (journalist)
I contend that a COI does not exist in this article.
This is according to Wiki COI policy: "Do not edit Wikipedia to promote your own interests, or those of other individuals or of organizations, including employers, unless you are certain that the interests of Wikipedia remain paramount."
I am asking you, in turn, to identify in this article where I am not neutral or where a conflict exists. This article only briefly mentions that Bell is an MTSU graduate and does not promote the school whatsoever. Therefore, the fact that I go to a school where he graduate (one year before I even started I might add) makes no difference and doesn't affect my ability to be objective.
This is also not an "advertisement masquerading as an article," and does not fall under WP:SPAM.
Multiple sources are cited in a variety of places that can be used to VERIFY all of the FACTS contained within the article.
For these reasons, I ask that you please expedite this issue. WHoWhoOwl (talk) 16:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I agree that it's neutrally worded; if I thought it were an ad, I would have nominated it for deletion. It really does read as though you are a friend of his; do you know him personally? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
FisherQueen: Thank you for not nominating it for deletion. I do not know him personally. Only what I've heard from professors and been able to read about him in the paper and research articles he's left behind at MTSU. I do follow The Daily News Journal as it is the paper here in our city. He is a local celebrity and I've heard him speak at MTSU about how he fought his journalism battles while watching and helping his grandfather -- who had cancer which eventually killed him -- fight for his life. I do understand that because of this I have the POTENTIAL to be biased, but as I've stated before and as you've agreed -- the article has a neutral tone. I will most likely abstain from writing any further on the subject if you feel that is appropriate. WHoWhoOwl (talk) 16:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I'll buy that. I'll take the tag off the article for you. Have a lovely day. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. You do the same. WHoWhoOwl (talk) 17:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
We get a lot of advertisers and self-promoters at Wikipedia, so we're pretty quick to jump on situations that look like them. We like new people really, though. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:03, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I believe that. I really do. I can only imagine the number of self-promoting band pages that have been deleted! ;) Good luck with this fellow up above. He/She is being very rude. WHoWhoOwl (talk) 17:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC) (Jewels)
I take the point, but he's had warnings, he's had advice, he's dissembled about his his vandalism. Even unintentional, I regarded this as disruptive and unlikely to assist with his next unblock. What would you have done? Rodhullandemu 20:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
I did it- I removed the userbox that was obviously false and left it alone to see if he would work it out on his own; I don't think he even had any idea what most of those boxes actually said or meant. Maybe I'm wrong, but his edits didn't look like intentional vandalism to me, and much of the early 'advice' he got would have pissed off the Dalai Lama... -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
You're a nice guy, Rod. Of course, if I'm wrong, we can always block him again. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
I need a break from this place- and some sleep. Rodhullandemu 21:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Neslgrad09
Hi FisherQueen,
Would appreciate your candid thoughts on my actions regarding User:Neslgrad09. Based on Fred's comments at my talk page, I reversed my actions, but would appreciate your review not as it regards your upholding my block, but if the block and the page protection was heavy handed on my part. Greatly appreciate any constructive criticism. Thanks! Hiberniantears (talk) 03:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't sure about that one. His edits were promotional, but it's possible that he has more to offer. Hard to say which way it'll go. I think the block was reasonable, and I didn't think he was indicating in his unblock request that his account had been compromised, but only that other individuals had made worse edits to that article. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 01:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Can I have
the last 4 hours of my life back? Lawtype!snype? 14:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
They're gone forever. But you could have chosen at any time to log off and do something else. I like YTCracker. He made me smile. Some of his fans, though, need to be smacked in the head with a trout. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Now how responsible would I have been if I had logged off in the middle of the fun? Besides, what else was I going to do at 4 in the morning? Lawtype!snype? 14:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
It's almost lunchtime where I am. Which is Ohio, where YT is. I could probably drive to his house and pick up my bribe today, though how long it would take depends on which corner of my state he's in. I think I will not take him up on his offered bribery, though, since it might be perceived as an ethical breach and because I doubt his mother would be pleased if I showed up and said he'd promised me presents on the internets. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Besides, in order to go to his house, I'd have to put on pants, and I'm just not feeling into that right now. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
It might be worth it. How big can Ohio really be? It's only an ethical breach if you unblock. Otherwise, it's free swag. Lawtype!snype? 23:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
But I both supported his AfD AND asked the blocking admin to unblock. I clearly took his side. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
You really outta learn how to dodge the paper trail. You should have used IRC for one thing, and sky writing for the other! Lawtype!snype? 23:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
User:Джокер
Were you getting Joker emails from this one? I was about to block them indefinitely for being a creeper but it seems you got to them first. I don't even edit that often so I have no idea why they would email me. DarthGriz98 19:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I can't even remember; I've gotten two or three Joker mails but deleted them all without making very close note of who they were coming from. User:Future Perfect at Sunrise actually blocked her; I just adjusted the block so she couldn't edit her talk page since she put that same unhelpful unblock request that we've seen today on a number of accounts. Junior high school student, out of school for US Memorial Day today, would be my guess. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
TheTwitterer
Good point. I just don't want them getting away with it. --Tm1000 (talk) 21:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry; he's on my watchlist and I'll still block him if he doesn't stop on his own. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:09, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
In case you haven't noticed,
Or you don't have his page on your watchlist Andrewwisne (talk·contribs), has made rebuttals to your responses.— DædαlusContribs 22:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm tired of hunting through the middle of his talk page to read massive quantities of text that don't reflect any understanding of the actual rules, and are just long defenses of why he should be able to promote himself. I'll start caring if he has a question about any articles other than the one he wrote about himself. Maybe. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you
For blocking that user. I think I need a breather.— DædαlusContribs 23:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I hoped there was another alternative, but he was making the AfD absolutely unfollowable- I really do think his comments are triple the length of the total rest of the discussion. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I believe you. By the way, the user is now requesting an unblock.— DædαlusContribs 23:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't see anyone unblocking him as the unblock references free speech and attacks others, not addressing his reason for being blocked.— DædαlusContribs 23:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad he's made an unblock request. I want him to see another administrator confirm that his edits were disruptive, so he won't feel that I'm just picking on him. Poor guy. It must be hard on the ego to have a bunch of people saying you're not notable, especially when you're feeling pretty good about how your career is going. And of course, we know from the article that he suffers from a mental illness that would make the situation even harder to cope with. I have a world of sympathy with him. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Declined. I've tried to be as gentle as possible in the circumstances, but it's not as if he's had insufficient input thus far. Rodhullandemu 01:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Check the user's talk page. Now that the AFD has become obviously not in his favor, he's copied the article, it looks like, to his talk page, and is shouting in caps. Can something be done?— DædαlusContribs 22:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the notices.— DædαlusContribs 20:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot (talk) at 03:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Question
I was creating a new article on an american aUTHOR/mERCENARY, i'VE FOUND FIVE SOURCES BUT THE ARTICLE IS STILL SHORT. dO YOU THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND TELL ME iF i ESTABLISHED ENOUGH NOTABILITY TO KEEP IT HERE. ty, IT'S THE ARTICLE ON Frank Camper. Thats really the only thing I need to know, just don't want it to be deleted. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 11:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Sprry about the caps didn't catch that until it was Allready posted. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 11:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Fun! I'm not sure if it would pass an AfD or not, as it's right on the edge, but that New York Times article will help. If anyone of note has reviewed his book, links to a book review or two would help to establish his notability as an author. I have a similar right-on-the-notability-border article, Raymond Robinson (Green Man), which I just cross my fingers and hope no one notices and AfDs. :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I write shitty articles habitually. Don't worry about it. Lawtype!snype? 11:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey! I don't think obscure = shitty. In fact, one of the things I like about Wikipedia is that you can get information about fairly obscure subjects. You wouldn't even know about the Green Man if it weren't for me... :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for looking into it. Did you think the cbs radio archive interview would help give it notabilty? I was surprised to find some of those sources myself. Anyways Thanks Again. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 11:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
That poor man, shows us all the more not t juge a book by its cover. Nice job fisher. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 11:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Cool article. Not sure why he was called the Green Man. Lawtype!snype? 05:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
That's what my Grandpa always called him; he remembered going out to 'look for the green man' on route 351 as a young man. His real name and identity weren't widely known. I suspect that the 'green' descriptor was probably how he looked through the eerie light of 1930's headlights at night on the road, thought later urban legends described him as glowing with a green light. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
We don't have Boogie Men in Southern California. Our parents would scare us with bedtime stories about illegal immigrants who were lying in wait, plotting to steal our future jobs. I wasn't really concerned about it - I'm not a big fan of work. Lawtype!snype? 11:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Another Question
I have a complete listing of Franks books and Have one reference page for all of them. Should I attempt to find different sites for all his books or do I cite the entire section as one? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
It's fine to cite the same source for the list. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I have rewrittenAndy Wisne in a neutral, encyclopedic fashion. You wrote that "If I'm wrong and he really is notable, then presumably someone other than himself will inevitably be inspired to write about him." Your comment inspired me to rewrite the article. I hope you can take a look at it and reevaluate your position at the AfD. Cunard (talk) 08:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Your cleanup is very good, and removed the self-promotional stuff and useless sources so that what's significant about Wisne is easier to see. I'm afraid my opinion remains the same at the moment- he didn't achieve anything of note as a college football player or as an actor, and the article about his life is the kind of human-interest story that is often written about non-notable people. Here's one that tells the heartwarming tale of a young law student inspired by racism to run for president someday]. She isn't notable, it's just a human-interest story. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Now that I've taken another look at those sources, I'm starting to waver. Let me think about this for a little while... -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Edward Low vandal
I was looking into the latest incarnation, User:Aranesp, while you were blocking him. The user talk page is...interesting, with comments dating back to 2007 and barnstars dating back to 2005, for a user registered last month. It seems the user created his talk page by copy/pasting an old version of User talk:Staecker. It was supplemented with some barnstars from User:Jehochman's subpage, with the username changed. Seemed like an awful lot of effort to create a respectable persona. Sure enough, one wasn't enough for him: check out User talk:Weiserthanu, please. Maralia (talk) 17:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Nice catch! Definitely the same user, judging from his edits at Buggery. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Kitten
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I've seen that you deny a lot of unblock request; that's the only thing I don't like about you. PirateSmackKArrrr! 18:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
