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This page needs to be heavily revised. It has one reference, yet proclaims many "facts". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.173.243 (talk) 18:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, यज is pronounced ya.gn.a where 'a' is a short 'a' sound and 'g' a hard 'g'. Writing it as 'yajna' is quite misleading, IMO. Perhaps we should change it to read yagna? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cygnusx (talk • contribs) 09:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note that it has been suggested that yajna and yagna be merged. To do this we need to choose the better of the two articles, and then redirect one of the spellings to the other. This way a person will get the better of the two articles either way they spell it into the search box. Can there be a vote on which is the better article? Or does anyone volunteer to merge the two articles into a clear and comprehensive one that takes the best of both? Chris 13:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

However, it has been suggested on the 'yagna' talk page that they be kept separate, as they have slightly different shades of meaning. Google has 198,000 hits for yajna and 118,000 for yagna, so they both appear to be heavily used spellings.


wtf is that last reference under literature doing here, im gonna delete that as blatant advertising

Comment on article - Bhrigumantra Mahayagya This is not an authentic article. The is a manipulation of the term Yagya. In fact Bhrigu was the sage and he had invented / seen the popular - Mahamrityunjaya mantra which we use very often to help someone in problems, specially in health crisis. Everyone who is aware of hinduism, is also aware of Mahamrityunjaya Mritsanjivani mantra. There is no other Brigu mantra existing in Hindu scriptures. This writer has also puted a name - Bhrigu Samhita Yagya, which is just a book written by sage Bhrigu and at this time absolutely not available. In fact Bhrigu Samhita was the predictive astrology work by Bhrigu and more than 300 people claim that they have Bhrigu Samhita but in a research held by Kadambini Team (Hindustan Times, in 1984) there was nobody who could prove his claim. It seems that the person is trying to put anyhting to misuse the name of Yagya and promote his website/business in different ways. Just ask him/her a proof of any other Brigu Mantra in an authentic book. And naturally, a Yagya can't be held on book name like Bhrigu Samhita. However Ramayan, Mahabharat and Bhagwat Mahayagyas are very pouplar, but in that Yagya the singing of respective books are done. And if you authenticate Bhrigu samhiata aur Bhrigu mantra Yagya then you can do Yagya for every book and every mantra and then the real and traditionally authenticated Yagyas will loose their meanings.

I would suggest not to merge this article in the section Yajna/Yagya. One more thing, the real word is 'Yajna', we have for our comfort made it Yagya and now this word 'yagya' is more widely used than the real one 'yajna'; but using the 3rd word - 'yagna' is neither correct nor appropriate. In fact, in the word 'yajna' there are 2 letters - 'y' & 'jn'(5th letter of 'k'varga).

Any clarification can be requested on our website - www.vedic-yagya.com or through email - info@vedic-yagya.com

Best regards, Dr. Prashant Shukla Jyotish Acharya, Ved Acharya, Ph. D. Ved Bhawan International, UK


Hi Dr. Prashant Shukla, this is in response to your comment on favoring using term "yajna". If you ask anybody to pronounce " yajna " they will pronounce "j" as in Joy and "n" as in Nation, thus pronouncing it in totally wrong way. In this regard, I feel writing it as "yagna" is more closer and "yagnya" is even more closer to correct pronounciation. Lokesh 2000 13:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shrikant Soman 30th March 2008 I am also aware of the word YADNYA. We should not confuse the POPULAR ENGLISH usage with the original name. Like the word YOGA. The correct word is YOG.

I am not comfortable in restricting the meaning of Yadnya as 'sacrifice'. I want to know the etymological analysis of the original Sanskrit word.

Dear Mr Lokesh. Perhaps you know that the Sanskrit wordt for Yagya has no confusion as it always uses the last letter of the alphabet. As far as English version is concerned then according to Indian terms of transliteration the letter is - jna and then the word will be yajna however the majority in India doesn't write in this way. 90% people write Yagya and rest 10% write Yajna. A very few people write yagna as it very very far from the original pronunciation. Yagnya and Yandnya is a parody and never used by people in general. This is anyway the language of Indians and we do not need to learn from foreigners and non-Sanskrit/Hindi people how we should write our own language, Nor are you supposed to manipulate things because you are available on internet. One needs to be schooled in the subject before writing in public, otherwise it is misleading. For your kind information, I am software engineer too besides having studied Sanskriet but just because I have plenty of time to spend on intenet, I am not going to write on chemistry without having studied that. So please stop misguiding people and better get some basic knowledge of alphabets before you put anything here regarding Sanskrit. I find wikipedia promoting these misleading activities. It should allow only those people to write who are experts of the subjects. Sanskrit, Ved and Yagya - all are the subjects tought at the universities in India and there should be no problem in identification of a writer.Italic text

I also agree with the discussion that says that Yoga should be written as Yog. Yes it is Yog and not Yoga. This error has been made by foreigners and south Indians who are not good in pronuciations of Hindi and Sanskit beacuse they can't get out of their own accent. In another example, Ram = Lord Ram, but Rama = Lakshmi.

I hope all concerned people will consider this reasonably.

Thank you Dr. Prashant Shukla

September 2011

I am really amazed at the amount of ignorance one can display at public places like this. 'Yog'. If you are studying sanskrit properly, you should realize that it is a a-karanta pum-linga shabda and not ga-karanta and NOT a halantya shabda ! Ofcourse you hardly seem to realize the difference between Hindi and Sanskrit! what a pity, further your ignorance soars high in labelling South Indians as wrong accented! Have you ever heard a South Indian speak authentic Sanskrit? Should you have, you would not have made this comment. But this is your ignorance you proudly show. For clarification Rama is Lord Rama. Ramaa is Lakshmi. And since the English alphabet is of a different type it is insufficient to accomodate all phoenemes of the Sanskrit language. So much for your indepth knowledge!

Sd/- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.106.148 (talk) 19:08, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Unsigned, I totally agree with Dr Shukla's analysis. While you are right about the akarant and gakarant shabd, it basically boils down to the limitation of the English alphabet in representing rich Indian heritage in language. I dont want to take this debate into South vs North, but I've met several South Indians who (falsely) think they are experts in Sanskrit pronunciations, while all they are doing is playing back the Anglicized or English transliterated pronunciations. Lets take your own example - you are writing 'shabd' (admittedly without a halant) as 'shabda'. While you may know it has a short 'a' at the end (the one that English gives a miss while writing), and not the long 'aa' most people (especially South Indians who read these in English and not in Devnagari) end up pronouncing it as Sha-bd-aa. Case in point - millions of South Indians saying A-sho-kaa (and even worse, A-so-kaa) because that's how they read it - IN ENGLISH. Now, Ashok is written as A S(with a dot below S) K and A (with a bar on top), as per IAST (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Alphabet_of_Sanskrit_Transliteration). Since IAST keyboards are not available, it ends up being written as ASOKA. I personally know dozens of South Indians who insist on pronouncing it A-SO-KAA since the read it ASOKA. This is really unfortunate. I also find it disappointing to see people in South Indian temples, especially Satya Sai, etc., singing 'Man-Mo-ha-Naa Mur-li-dha-raa'. Although there are ignoramuses in all of India, I find the combination of sheer ignorance and misplaced sense of linguistic superiority much high among South Indians. Since Hindi proudly declares descent from Sanskrit and South Indian languages (except Malayalam) claim to descend from other language systems, I would urge South Indians not to claim expertise on someone else's language. Please leave Hindi and Sanskrit to Hindi and Sanskrit users and speakers. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.143.160.109 (talk) 05:54, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Shukla, Lokesh and user@114.143.160.109 -- Your arguments are all partly valid. However, let us not forget that `yagya' without na-kAra is just as much wrong as `yagna' without ya-kAra. Inability to properly pronounce the original word is what led to both deformations. `gya' form is prevalent in North India, while `gna' form is prevalent in South. It is only self-serving to try and promote one incorrect form over the other! Their different paths in evolution have deeper reasons that are outside the scope of this discussion. I urge you (and others) not to have a gratuitously aggressive attitude towards North Indians or South. It hurts our overall cause! For these discussions, in which we use English alphabet, we could use the Rice Transliteration Scheme (RTS) for accurate representation of the intended letters. Using RTS, ``yaj~na" is a direct transliteration of the Sanskrit original. — Preceding unsigned comment added by అన్వేషి (talk • contribs) 09:28, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree with you, as this is the English Wikipedia, policy dictates to use the most often used spelled in English (in this case) academic writings. I have no idea what that is in this case, but it could very well be different from how someone else might spell it. 24.190.34.219 (talk) 07:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vajapeya redirection

The term Vajapeya is redirected here, and there is no reference for that Yaga here. Vajapeya Yaga is one of the most toughest yagas in Vedas. And families who performed this yaga for the name "Vajapey/Bajapey" associated with them.

Can we mention about this Yaga here or start a different article on it? I am not a good author on the subject, I need to check with my relatives on this which is not possible considering the different timezones we are in. hence the request. ....కిరణ్మయి (talk) 22:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yajña

Why do you spell this word with an ñ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.156.134 (talk) 03:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Soma Sacrifice shouldn't be a redirect to here but have its own article

Considering the importance of Soma and the Soma Sacrifice to early Vedic religion and the amount of academic material written about the rite, it really should have its own article.24.190.34.219 (talk) 07:26, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Yagya (Hindu Ritual) → Yagya — Yagya redirects here, per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. No need of explanation in bracket. Redtigerxyz Talk 18:30, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:55, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Yagya → Yajna – Yagya is by no means the standard form. All over wikipedia, the internet, scholarly publications and common usage, the Sanskrit form yajna is far and away the standard word. As a matter of fact, as a student of Buddhism and Jainism, of Hindu philosophy, of Indian languages and of Indian culture, I only ever met the form "yagya" in this page. I understand it can be a Hindi pronunciation of the word, but very obscure. I'm confounded by its presence... in fact, yagya's google hits are primarily of those of the band. Ogress smash! 05:24, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support The Sanskrit (original) pronunciation is yajna. --Redtigerxyz Talk 05:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merger

Since Homa was a part of Yajna in Vedic times and now is a synonym for yajna, it should be merged. Present day usage for yajna is for a homa.--Redtigerxyz Talk 17:47, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The difference between the two articles is the content on Buddhism in Homa. Given that Yajna is only a Hindu practice its impractical to merge the two.CorrectKnowledge (talk) 17:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The Hindu part should be merged together. At least, all information related to the fire oblation should be transferred to Homa then. We can make this article only about the Vedic yajnas, whose subset is Homa and Homa will be the fire sacrifice, concurrent use of yajna. --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:58, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see much content on Homa in this page, other than the picture of Ganapati Homa and a couple of lines on Homa in Hindu marriage. I have no problem if those are merged into the Homa article. Do you think there is other content on this page that should be merged with Homa? CorrectKnowledge (talk) 18:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Types of Agni" is related more to Homa. --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Types of Agni" can be exported to Homa page but it should not be removed from here because it refers to Griha sutras and Śrauta Sutras both of which are important to Vedic Yajnas. And on a side note, it has been incredibly hard to find references for this section. It might have to be substantially pruned anyway.CorrectKnowledge (talk) 18:11, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agnishtoma extinct in India?????? Wrong information.

This article says that Agnishtoma is extinct in India, except in the state of Kerala, among Nambudiris. Kindly note that till recently due to high media penitration and a large English speaking interpreters, Nambudiris were successful to highlight their activities in front of the media. But, it does not mean that everything is extinct outside Kerala simply because there exists a serious lack of media coverage and publicity in rural India, unlike Kerala, a 100% literate Indian state supported by a powerful local media network, which still does not focus much on what's going on outside Kerala in the sphere of Yajnas.

However, for the first time, a more well researched report from a newspaper is given: This also does not mean that everything is extinct elsewhere, since many Indian villages and brahmin families, especially in North India, Gujarat and Maharashtra, and even in neighbouring Nepal, may be continueing all old yaga rituals in minimum...but lack of publicity about them may have created some misunderstanding in Kerala. It is also undetstood that such religious rituals are not meant for public display and organized as absolutely private religious rituals in many places. So..no extiction outside Kerala, ok?


[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sathyasaagar1 (talk • contribs) 11:24, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/agnihotris-assemble-in-mysore-for-agnishtoma-maha-yaga/article3159035.ece

Agnihotris assemble in Mysore for `Agnishtoma Maha Yaga'

On March 3, 2006, The Hindu newspaper reports from Mysore, Karnataka, India.. 

It is one of the biggest congregations of Agnihotris in recent times

18 Agnihotris will perform the Soma Yaga It is being held after a gap of over 50 years The yaga is being performed for the well-being of the universe

MYSORE: After the rule of the Wadiyar dynasty, it is one of the biggest congregations of Agnihotris here in recent times.

They are here to perform the `Agnishtoma Maha Yaga' for the well-being of the universe.

Led by Agnihotri V. Raghunatha Shastri of Srirangam in Tirichirappalli, 18 Agnihotris during the next five days will perform the Agnishtoma Maha Yaga or the Soma Yaga, which commenced in Mysore on Thursday after a gap of over 50 years.

An Agnihotri is a person who worships Tretagni daily and performs the morning and evening Agnihotram.

Agnihotri is also a qualified person to perform all yagnas for the welfare of gods, who are believed to bless and bestow happiness to universe in return.

According to S. Venkata Subramanya of Triveni Aasthika Sabha, which is organising the Soma Yagna, such a big congregation of Agnihotris is rare as their number in the country is very less.

He pointed out that today 44 Agnihotris live in Tamil Nadu, 36 in Andhra Pradesh, 18 in Maharashtra and 23 in various parts of the country.

Mr. Venkata Subramanya said an Agnihotri is expected to perform at least 21 yagas during his lifetime, which includes seven Paga Yaga, seven Havir Yaga and seven Soma Yaga.

It is learnt that the then ruler of Mysore Jayachamarajendra Wadiyar had performed the Soma Yaga at T. Narsipur when Mysore witnessed a big congregation of Agnihotris from across the country. Krishnaraja Wadiyar had also performed the Soma Yaga.

In Soma Yaga, Somalata juice is offered to Lord Indra with prayers for good rainfall, grain production, fame, good health etc. Soma Yaga is performed with the help of 16 ritviks.

In all, 24 procedures would be followed during the Soma Yaga. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sathyasaagar1 (talk • contribs) 11:24, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Clarification

In the Etymology section, the original Sanskrit spelling shown is यज्ञ. That is the same spelling shown in the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yajna_(avatar). The second letter of this spelling does NOT appear in the IAST article on the Sanskrit alphabet at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Alphabet_of_Sanskrit_Transliteration.

So either the IAST article needs to show this second letter or else the spelling in the two Yajna articles needs to be revised.

Thanks. 24.6.16.207 (talk) 17:51, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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