Talk:Shortages related to the COVID-19 pandemic

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Contested deletion

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived: Yug (talk) 17:22, 6 April 2020 (UTC) [reply]

Please undo the speedy request, and also, enquire better on my status:

  1. I'am not blocked wikipedia-wide, but on a single page.
  2. I contested the specific, single page block since the admin used his admin tools to settle the content dispute we were having (1 vs 1 vote), which is quite shocking by itself.

Please slow down and let wikipedia editors do their work. Yug (talk) 17:00, 23 March 2020 (UTC) --Yug (talk) 17:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Author of the inacurate labelling has reverted his labelling and apologized for the mistake. Yug (talk) 17:38, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More of a general question but...

"are a major issue of the ongoing pandemic" - is it correct to use the present tense here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BEANS X2 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I assume so. (not sure) Yug (talk) 00:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Present tense is a trap, because it gets left in for too long, but sometimes you need to use it. All the best: Rich Farmbrough (the apparently calm and reasonable) 15:15, 2 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]
Present-tense should be avoided when possible: MOS:TENSE. J.D.718 (talk) 21:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Read online so far (est.) 2~300+
Integrated to article so far 100+
To read, integrate, remove
(Listed below) 		50+

Please help out: adopt a section.

Tests

Sources to read, integrate to the article, then <s>strike</s> from the list:

Sanitizer

Sources to read, integrate to the article, then <s>strike</s> from the list:

PPE

Surgical masks, gears, FFP2, respirator masks. Sources to read, integrate to the article, then <s>strike</s> from the list:

PPE market chaos

Sources to read, integrate to the article, then <s>strike</s> from the list:

Cloth facemasks

Sources to read, integrate to the article, then <s>strike</s> from the list:

Devices

Ventilators, ECMOs, Devices, etc.
Sources to read, integrate to the article, then <s>strike</s> from the list:

People

Health care workers and other human resources. Sources to read, integrate to the article, then <s>strike</s> from the list:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/15/health/coronavirus-9200-health-workers-infected/index.html

Parmaceutical

Sources to read, integrate to the article, then <s>strike</s> from the list:

After 65+ days sprint, i am going into wikibreak. Yug (talk) 13:00, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Groceries

Wisdom

Sources to NOT read nor integrate, the title is explicit enough

Others

Mask diplomacy

Not exactly a shortage, but involves the use of a scarce resource for political ends

-- Ohc ¡digame! 09:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

--Ohconfucius (on the move) (talk) 07:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Praise for China

Fishing for praise from Germany --Ohconfucius (on the move) (talk) 20:01, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Big Fix

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived: Yug (talk) 17:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC) [reply]

I think it would be better to turn this into a List of 2019-20 coronavirus-related shortages. DustyGoliath 15:39, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DustyGoliath it got renamed 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic related shortages. Seems good to me. Yug (talk) 21:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rename ?

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived: Yug (talk) 17:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC) [reply]
Request for comment to past editors @Kanghuitari, Edouard-lopez, SQL, CAPTAIN RAJU, Jax 0677, Bradv, MarnetteD, and Victorgrigas:.

Hello all, this article take a turn toward shortage and (alternative) solutions or shortage and responses, pandemic induced shortage ? I think it could be beneficial to have a name change in this direction, so it gives a strong hint that well documented solutions to the COVID19 shortages are welcome here. What do you think ? Any title idea in mind ? Yug (talk) 14:56, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The title is dumb a little. How about "insufficient supplies", "supply insufficiency" or "supply shortage" ? (correct it cool.) Also, is this included in "Impacts" of COVID main template?--Kyuri1449 (talk) 06:58, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It was in Impact but have been moved into "Issues". Shortages is a word commonly used in the sources (with "ran out of ..."). We also report on workforce shortages. So adding in "supply" seems tricky. Yug (talk) 08:54, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shortage of bathroom tissue

I have tried to add that there is a shortage of bathroom tissue in the United States, but it keeps getting reverted. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jax 0677, you need a reference that actually says that there is such a shortage. Which you won't find, because there is no such shortage. – bradv🍁 22:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Jax 0677, please add your sources here so we may check them up. Yug (talk) 00:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, folks, If you can help process the incoming #Sources it would help to keep up with the flow of news. Yug (talk) 01:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shortage of groceries/consumer goods in general

I noticed that the groceries section is relatively empty, and I saw this discussion here. I wanted to point out there are some news articles that do talk about the issue with toilet paper: 

<4 items now moved to #Groceries>

The point is I think there are definitely WP:RS that discuss shortages of not only bathroom tissue but other grocery items as well. However, I wanted to get consensus first about what should be included in this article, as it looks like there already have been some edits and reverts related to this topic. ECTran71 (talk) 06:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello ECTran71, thanks for the sources. I restructured them above and will later add them to the #Sources section above. I'am overloaded by news sources these days (35+ backlog in #Sources) so I won't be able to integrate these Groceries related ones. If you want to focus on and adopt this section, it could help. Yug (talk) 14:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Yug, I can certainly try to help. Is the idea to add content to the article using the sources in the #Sources section above, and then remove the sources from the #Sources section once they're in the article? ECTran71 (talk) 22:06, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@ECTran71: yes, exactly. You can strike them when reviewed it's better, for motivation and for tracking our progresses. (Strike like this) Yug (talk) 22:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Breathtaking video

This video is breath taking, hearth breaking and infuriating. Please help to integrate it better into the article ! (I started in the intro)

Yug (talk) 00:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indian spelling what ????

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived: Yug (talk) 17:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC) [reply]

I'am the main writer of this article I did not used Indian spelling I'am pure French why does every one say I write with Indian English Yug (talk) 08:51, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because you say 100 millions instead of 100 million perhaps! An Indian more likely say "10 crore". All the best: Rich Farmbrough (the apparently calm and reasonable) 15:13, 2 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]
Aha! That could explain. I got a good laugh about it anyway. Yug (talk) 22:51, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Someone which pick this article is written in Indian English does not understand that it use international numbering system. For example, this article use like 100,000 rather than 1 crore, which only used in Indian English, and 100 million is used rather to 1 lakh in order to understand to international readers, because it will not understand if this article use lakh or crore when this event is outside India. See Numbering system in Indian English.

Tests

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived: Yug (talk) 17:27, 6 April 2020 (UTC) [reply]

This is perhaps the biggest shortage (if one doesn't count vaccine!). There is plenty of sourcing available, including Congressional committees. All the best: Rich Farmbrough (the apparently calm and reasonable) 15:17, 2 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

@Rich Farmbrough: True ! I've just been unable to dig on this issue. I'am scanning the news and add what comes up so far. Yug (talk) 22:41, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My next priority is the HCW tho. (Also have to process #Sources). Yug (talk) 22:45, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, my main center of interest so far was DIY. So I likely missed some Testing citations ! Yug (talk) 23:06, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
More sources now in #Tests. Need to be read and integrated. Yug (talk) 14:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More interlink !

The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived: Yug (talk) 17:22, 6 April 2020 (UTC) [reply]
Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject COVID-19/Article report

I used the report above to add into the most visited articles some wikilinks back to here. Will get a visibility bump hopefully ! (too bad the recent rename reset the count) Yug (talk) 22:41, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First Edit conflict, let's celebrate ! ^0^y

Hi Ohconfucius, I saw your edits since I was editing at the same time. We went into an edit conflict. I couldn't solve it simply, so I tried to solve it by hand. Saw the additions, removals, and moves you did, thanks you. Naturally I'am skeptical on some aspects, but that's why I'am here, to inform you and get your feedback so to understand those better. Yug (talk) 12:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok ! I think I got it all, I merged all our changes.
Big thanks to you.
I would argue that this removal is not necessary.
These informations would gain to be in both articles (Covid shortages, covid USA). Yug (talk) 12:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Much appreciated! Your changes, especially the proper background section, are good. Keep up the good work! -- Ohc ¡digame! 14:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ohconfucius: I cannot keep up. I reviewed about 2~300 news articles this past 10 days, integrated ~100 (~10/day), still have 50+ waiting and growing at +7/day. Yug (talk) 19:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm looking principally at articles from French and Chinese perspectives. What about you? -- Ohc ¡digame! 20:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
All the rest.
I systematically scan 100% of the NYTimes coverage on Covid, then I dispatch all contents related to shortages here. I also scan twitter, South China Morning Post, the Guardian. When they cite researches, I follow down. When I feel there is a key issue but not enough material, I google it. French sources, also, when relevant to shortages. I'am French yes. But after 65 days on COVID wikisprints I'am wiki-exhausted. Yug (talk) 21:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think thefts are an angle that can be covered - toilet paper, masks etc. There have been a few of them, including a nurse who stole respirators for eventual sale. Any other ideas? -- Ohc ¡digame! 22:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
One. Huge shortage. Yug (talk) 22:50, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
LOL.
New news items ones coming in about equipment from China not meeting spec. -- Ohc ¡digame! 12:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Groceries and PPE supply chaos sections updates

Hello all, i noticed a major push on the groceries and Supply competition these past days. Awesome! Thank you ECTran71, it s awesome to see the sources being integrated. I also noticed XXzoonamiXX came with lot of other sources on the matter of Supply competition. Great. Thank you both. Yug (talk) 07:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I kind of have a blind spot because 80% of the sources i gather are New York Times (~60%), The Guardian (15%) or South China Morning Post (5% and could be exploited much more). So my sources lacks diversity. I wonder if we could have more expert resources, such as medical or business/management/supply chain journals or academic papers. Academic "look back, analysis, explanations" may come later this year or from 2021 onward. So thanks you both for bringging in fresh air ;) Yug (talk) 07:13, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ECTran, I encourage you to duplicate your references for each sentence. It s visually unelegant, but because Wikipedia is open to everyone's edits, it will come a day when your section will be edited, splitted, reorganized. So it becomes safer to keep references at the end of nearly each sentences. Yug (talk) 07:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, happy to help. Good point on the references - I increased the citation frequency for the sections I added as you suggested. ECTran71 (talk) 10:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What next

As for anticipating unexpressed needs to come:

  • Need for a "political impact" section is arising.
  • The virus is also now moving into poorer territories. I dont know how to cover these territories where shortage are systemic, due to basic lack of initial health infrastructures.
  • The current patchwork of sources with picked up statements is not proper to serious writing. Ideally, existing sources should be curate to keep only the more serious ones.

Yug (talk) 07:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New sources

meat

labor?

Hello Victorgrigas, thanks for your sources scooting :). We have a section above (#Sources) where we store sources by groups. We have a #Groceries and a #People section where your sources can go. If you can, read your source, get the core statements out of it, and add them in the article under the relevant section. You can then strike like this that source in the list of sources. Feel free to ping us for help if necessary. Yug (talk) 18:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tiny ping: your 2nd source is about Switch shortage not about childcare. Yug (talk) 18:19, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Section i started got deleted, so here it is in case anyone decides to add it back

 Done Yug (talk) 07:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here:

Freezers[1], $100 bills (on one bank in New York City)[2] Puzzles[3][4], Kettlebells[5], Blood[6], baking yeast[7], dogs and cats (in New York City)[8], Playstation 4[9], Nintendo Switch and Nintendo Switch Lite[10], laptop and tablet computers[11], small gold bars and gold coins[12] are in shortage.

Victor Grigas (talk) 23:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Victorgrigas, i think your content is valid and could be included. Please let me handle that in order to avoid you an edit war. Yug (talk) 09:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
sure, go for it!Victor Grigas (talk) 16:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Victorgrigas Done. With some delay due to semi-wikibreak. Yug (talk) 07:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Consumer watch: Food hoarders lead to freezer shortage in America". KOAA. 2020-04-10. Retrieved 2020-04-13.
  2. ^ Cowley, Stacy; Das, Anupreeta (2020-03-14). "A Bank in Midtown Is Cleaned Out of $100 Bills". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2020-04-13.
  3. ^ "With People Stuck At Home, Jigsaw Puzzle Sales Soar". NPR.org. Retrieved 2020-04-14.
  4. ^ Brisson, Kiernan. "National shortage of puzzles amid coronavirus". www.wcax.com. Retrieved 2020-04-13.
  5. ^ Shultz, Alex. "The Truth Behind the Great Kettlebell Shortage of 2020". GQ. Retrieved 2020-04-13.
  6. ^ https://www.npr.org/2020/03/17/817249320/social-distancing-leads-to-blood-shortage
  7. ^ Purdy, Chase. "Food companies are working to get yeast back on store shelves". Quartz. Retrieved 2020-04-13.
  8. ^ "Newest shortage in New York: The city is running out of dogs to adopt". Crain's New York Business. 2020-03-25. Retrieved 2020-04-13.
  9. ^ Cook, James (2020-03-30). "From PlayStations to laptops, the consumer gadgets facing shortages". The Telegraph. ISSN 0307-1235. Retrieved 2020-04-13.
  10. ^ Business, Shannon Liao, CNN. "Nintendo pauses Nintendo Switch shipments to Japan amid global shortage". CNN. Retrieved 2020-04-13. {{cite web}}: |last= has generic name (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  11. ^ "COVID-19 crisis creates shortage of some electronics". wnep.com. Retrieved 2020-04-13.
  12. ^ "Bloomberg - Are you a robot?". www.bloomberg.com. Retrieved 2020-04-13. {{cite web}}: Cite uses generic title (help)

Misleading photo

The top photo is from 2011, long before COVID-19 (it's easily identifiable as such since the doctors aren't wearing masks). It's misleading and should be replaced with a photo related to current shortages. Someone should also probably check the other images in this article for similar issues. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 23:57, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. circulating coins

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/21/880958665/the-latest-pandemic-shortage-coins-are-the-new-toilet-paper May not be worth putting in since the shortage might work itself out in short order, as suggested by the article. Mapsax (talk) 23:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming : "Early shortages related to the COVID-19 pandemic "

Hi there. I made a sustained sprint in March April on this article and wrote most of it back then, when the shortage were quite critical and shocking. This article barely involved since (see #Month counts), while the pandemic continue. The occasional shortages we see now are marginal and almost business as usual which includes rare occasional shortages. I would be a good idea to "bundle" this article and rename it according to its true content. Therefor, a renaming as "Early shortages related to the COVID-19 pandemic " seems to me the right direction to take. Yug (talk) 15:24, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See also long term ripple disruptions https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/business/supply-chain-shortages.html Yug (talk) 🐲 10:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Two more which may or may not be notable

Grape Nuts cereal, computer chips Mapsax (talk) 23:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

June 2021 report

This states that while the initial shortages may have been resolved that there is still a ripple effect going on. I'm not sure whether this is now outside the scope of the article. Mapsax (talk) 23:47, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ripple effect continues: "‘People Are Hoarding’: Food Shortages Are The Next Supply-Chain Crunch" (Bloomberg 2021-10-19) Mapsax (talk) 00:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Global Food crisis

The Covid-19 pandemic seems to have created a situation where more energy is being used than can be produced by coal/timber/gas being supplied to power plants. - https://fortune.com/2021/11/04/energy-crisis-food-shortage-security-fertilizer-prices-yara-ceo-madagascar-cop26/

  1. India, China, and other countries are facing a severe coal shortage. - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/12/coal-shortage-india-could-soon-be-on-the-brink-of-a-power-crisis.html
  2. USA & Europe's Biomass power-plants are facing a severe timber shortage - https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-57920510
  3. Natural gas power-plants are facing a severe Natural gas shortage - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nitrogen-fertilizer-shortage-threatens-cut-global-crop-yields-cf-industries-2021-11-04/
  4. Coal, timber, & Natural gas prices are going up.
  5. prices of anything that requires coal for production are going up: electricity, steel, etc.
  6. prices of anything that requires timber for production are going up: electricity, housing/buildings, etc.
  7. prices of anything that requires lots of energy/electricity for production are going up: Fertilizer, Aluminum, etc.
  8. prices of food grown with fertilizer are going up
  9. prices of flesh of animals fed on food grown with fertilizer are going up

Some Governments seem to be in panic mode, asking their citizens to store food for emergencies.

More info:

--Ne0 (talk) 20:18, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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