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Image reversal comment

The lead image wiki text has a comment saying "Do not reverse image to look towards text - not allowed per MOS:IMAGE". The guidance says "Images should not be changed in ways that materially mislead the viewer. For example, images showing artworks, faces, identifiable places or buildings, or text should not be reversed (although those showing soap bubbles or bacteria might be)" and at MOS:PORTRAIT section, it says "It is often preferable to place a portrait (image or representation of a person) so that they "look" toward the text, but do not achieve this by reversing the image, which creates a false presentation. (Faces are never truly symmetric even in the absence of scars or other features.)"

There are two reasons I don't think that rule applies to this image. Firstly, it is not a portrait, which is an image intended to convey someone's likeness. This is effectively a stock photo, with an anonymous subject. Stock and fashion photos are routinely reversed in publications, such as in clothing catalogues or adverts, which is one reason models with symmetrical features are desirable. The woman is still pregnant even if we flip the image, whereas a photo of the subject of the article would unlikely to be faithful if flipped. Secondly, the woman isn't actually looking out of the page, even if her head and body face that way. She is looking directly at the camera/reader. One could argue, having her straight back against the body text is a better arrangement than having the bump facing it.

Its a small thing, but I propose we drop the comment. I think the image is fine in the direction it is. The biggest problem with the image is that it is very low resolution. I think the comment gives people wrong ideas about what MOS is trying to achieve with that rule, which is to not misrepresent known people (or landscapes or whatever). -- Colin°^Talk 09:57, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I think you are correct. We looked long and hard for this photo and I think we found a good one. The pixel problem does not bother me at all. Sectionworker (talk) 21:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Lead image

Hi TadejM. You recently changed the infobox image to a mirrored version so that the woman shown is facing in toward the text. I almost reverted citing MOS:PORTRAIT

It is often preferable to place a portrait (image or representation of a person) so that they "look" toward the text, but do not achieve this by reversing the image, which creates a false presentation. (Faces are never truly symmetric even in the absence of scars or other features.)

It occurred to me that this might be an exception, since the image is not really about the person herself, or her face. Do you think the value of the "facing in" outweighs the issue of false presentation? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:05, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Firefangledfeathers. Thanks for letting me know. The image is used to show how a typical pregnant woman looks like and it doesn't actually matter whether she is seen from the left or the right. This is different to biographical articles, where that could be misleading as to a specific person's appearance. For this reason, I believe this does not create any false presentation and suggest keeping the image facing the text. --TadejM ^{my talk} 16:12, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I'm fine with that, and we can see if anyone feels otherwise. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:37, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

I usually feel very strongly about having the photo opening into the article, whether a person or a scene. However, I just don't have that same feeling here...and I can't even say exactly why that is. I am an artist and she has a strong Mona Lisa smile...so maybe that has something to do with it. Sectionworker (talk) 22:30, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Firefangledfeathers, it seems you didn't see my post in the section just above. I think it is interesting that even experienced editors fail to spot relevant talk-page discussions. IMO, the woman is facing the camera, not to the side (e.g., File:Désiré-Magloire Bourneville.jpg looks to the left). Regardless, people do seem to have a desire to have her body facing the text, so if it stops people flipping the image back and forward, then let's leave it here. -- Colin°^Talk 07:52, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I blame it on "Add-topic-button blindness"! I made this a subsection of yours, so at least they'll stick together. Seems like we have a mix of people that have an orientation preference and people that know about the mirror image portrait rule but are fine with an exception, or who think it doesn't really apply. I agree with your point above that the resolution of the image is the greater problem. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:10, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

The Image

I saw that the Page's First Image is now reversed, It used to be not reversed, it even said that it isn't reversed and that the Wikipedia Rules said that images cannot be in reverse, but now it got reversed for some reason, it wasn't like that before, Does anyone know Why? CGIGamer94 (talk) 04:44, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

How can you tell it's reversed? Our normal practice is to position photographs of people looking into the text. Since the person is unnamed, it doesn't matter whether it's facing the way the original pic looked or not. HiLo48 (talk) 04:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

CGIGamer94, you could have a look at the section above. -- Colin°^Talk 07:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh Ok, I was able to tell it was reversed because I remember before it was the other side, but it actually doesn't matter because the Person is unnamed, Thanks! CGIGamer94 (talk) 21:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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