Talk:Metoclopramide/Archive 1

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Inappropriate lenght and content of Adverse effects section

I find absolutely inappropriate to discuss in such a detail the adverse effects of the drug, entering in discussions about litigation and compromise of the doctor-patient relationship and so on. These are important arguments that should find a place only in an external link. I think that posting this kind of message in every "averse effect" section of every drug is a breach in etiquette and a serious risk of conflict of interest. It is full of lawyers trying to take advantage of normal adverse events of drugs pushing patients in lawsuits. I think wikipedia should not be involved in this kind of legal malpractice. 

Francesco Falaschi (talk) 12:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


Also, instead of writing "somnolence", write "drowsiness". Please enable people to understand this article.

I belive that it is also available under the drug name "Primperan".

Viscouse sez: isn't this drug used to help or increase the production of breastmilk? I don't know what the conenction is, but if anyone can put a blurp on that & why, that would help.

Metoclopramide & Milk fetishism

New User:Anon! added Milk fetishism to a number of articles on drugs or herbal products used to induce lactation for this fetishism. I initially revert the addition of this link on Metoclopramide as being nonsense, and this has be re-inserted. To be fair (WP:AGF) metoclopramide may well be so used, but it is clearly off-label use - which normally is a term used for drugs being prescribed by a doctor for other uses than that licensed, rather than illegally obtaining prescription drugs without a prescription for alternative uses. I am sure many drugs are off-label used by patients obtaining through on-line pharmacies without prescription/medical advice, but does this mean all such (mis-)uses need be included as significant 'See also' links in articles on wikipedia ? Remember whilst significant minority viewpoints must be included under WP:NPOV, trivial minority views do not. I should welcome some input from others on this. David Ruben Talk 22:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the excision and have removed the see also. There are hundreds of potential see also links for this medication and I don't think that milk fetishism is more noteworthy than most. See also links contribute to clutter in articles and should be avoided in favor of seamless discussion within the body text. InvictaHOG 03:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Remove. For the same reason we shouldn't backlink every "notable" patient on disease-related pages. JFW | T@lk 07:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Brand Name in Korea

This drug is sold under the name "Macperan" in South Korea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.131.187.107 (talk) 07:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Safety in pregnancy

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/360/24/2528 - safe in the first trimester. JFW | T@lk 06:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion - New Section Regarding Litigation

At my web site, I've been posting dozens of documents comprising hundreds of pages of court filings over Reglan and Metoclopramide. They run the gamut from copies of lawsuits, to expert depositions, to expert reports. Many of these documents contain the opinions of expert scientists on both sides of the legal issues, including opinions on HOW Reglan causes movement disorders, and HOW OFTEN it does so. The latter is one of the biggest issues in the Reglan litigation. The documents I'm posting aren't freely available anywhere else; I'm buying them from the courts and reproducing them on my website so others can view them. My website is www.dangerousdrugs.us, and yes, it does encourage individuals to contact an attorney if they believe they've developed a movement disorder after taking Reglan. Regardless of whether you find that message personally distasteful, I hope that you'll agree that the quality and quantity of my content justifies inclusion in Wikipedia. You would be hard-pressed to find any other free source of such pertinent documents regarding the drug.

I'm not entirely sure what the etiquette here is. Should I go ahead and create the section with a relevant link, or wait for someone to give me the thumbs up, or? I've already had one editor politely suggest that he doesn't feel a link is appropriate, but he directed me here to seek others' opinions. I hope that the community will agree that the expert reports alone - hundreds of pages of documents, written by top-notch medical experts - justifies including a link to my site. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.156.95.212 (talk) 02:59, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Panoclopramide

Panocloprimide is the name (not brand name) used in South Africa instead of metoclopramide. I think this should be added to the article. - 41.133.254.221 (talk) 15:38, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

metoclopramide

Brand name in India. Ldmoharana (talk) 06:34, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

metoclopramide

Brand name in india. Ldmoharana (talk) 06:34, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

D2 Receptor

Does this drug show any antiphsycotic activity? It does block D2 receptors after all 2600:1006:B058:9825:0:1C:5457:6801 (talk) 00:28, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Causes of Delayed Stomach Emptying, Grammar Edit Needed

Referring to this sentence: It is commonly used to treat nausea and vomiting, to help with emptying of the stomach in people with delayed stomach emptying due to either diabetes or following surgery, and to help with gastroesophageal reflux disease.

Gastroparesis has many causes, the most common being idiopathic (unknown). This sentence uses 'either/or' and so it assumes there is only two causes for it. I am not sure how to rephrase this sentence for accuracy and brevity.

Ataylor18 (talk) 21:43, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Actually, the sentence as written implies that metoclopramide is only used to help with emptying of the stomach when the cause of the delayed emptying is due to diabetes or following surgery, not that they are the only causes of it. That is, however, also incorrect, and the sentence does need changing. In addition, metoclopramide is not used to treat migraine headache. The cited reference states that it may help to reduce nausea and vomiting commonly associated with migraine. It states that it may help paracetamol or other analgesics to be absorbed and/or prevent them from being expelled in vomit. It says that it has been claimed that intravenous metoclopramide alone can reduce pain in severe migraine, but that this needs investigation. I think that stating that it is "used to treat migraine headaches" and that it can help with the pain of migraine, based on what is contained in the cited reference, is invalid. I also think the first paragraph of the intro needs to be less specific, and indeed, given that it is vitually repeated verbatim under "Medical Uses" and again under "Anti-emetic", it could be eliminated entirely. At least I try (talk) 18:46, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Brand names

The two proposed versions for the ==Brand names== section
Include the names Remove all the names
==Brand names==
Metoclopramide is mostly known internationally as Primperan, and also available under the following trade names:[1][2] Aeronase, Afipran, Ametic, Anausan, Anausin, Antimet, Aristopramida, Bacnorm, Camiprida, Carnotprim, Ceolat, Cerucal, Cirulan, Citroplus, Clodoxin, Clop, Clopan, Clopram, Cloprame, Clopramid, Clopritec, Clorimet-Z, Delipramil, Dibertil, Digeplus, Digestine, Dirpasid, Dolmisin, Donmet, Doperan, Emenil, Emenorm, Emetic, Emperal, Enzifrut, Enzimar, Enzimatik, Enzygestivo, Flatuzym, Frutazym, Gaseo, Gastro, Gastrobid, Gastroflux, Gastronerton, Gastrosil, Gastrotranquil, Gemperan, Gigemet, Goyodem, Hemibe, Hyrin, Irtopan, Isaprandil, Isoclopramid, Itan, Klopra, Kopranide, Labmet, Maxolon, Mcp, Mcpham, Meclomid, Meclonir, Meclop, Meclopram, Meclopran, Mepram, Mepramida, Mepramide, Metagliz, Metamide, Meto Hameln, Metocai, Metoclam, Metoclomex, Metoclopram, Metoclopramidum, Metoclox, Metocyl, Metogastron, Metonia, Metopram, Metoprin, Metosil, Metozolv Odt, Metromida, Mipramid, Movistal, Nausifar, Novomit, Pasperan, Paspertase, Paspertin, Plasil, Plemazol, Pradamin, Pramide, Pramidin, Pramidol, Pramin, Pramotil, Premig, Premosan, Primpemotil, Primperoxane, Prokinyl, Propace, Pylomid, Raamfen, Randum, Reflux, Reglan, Remetin, Riamide, Sorbiperan, Synespramid and Vibralen. 		==Brand names==
Metoclopramide is available world-wide under various trade names.[1]


User:24.34.73.59 please see WP:MEDMOS which, says "Try to avoid cloning drug formularies such as the BNF and online resources like RxList and Drugs.com. Extract the pertinent information rather than just dumping low-level facts in a big list, which should be avoided per WP:NOTMANUAL and Wikipedia:LAUNDRYLIST".

It also follows not WP:NOTCATALOG, there is nothing encyclopedic about a laundrylist of names. Please stop adding this laundry list to the article. Jytdog (talk) 21:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. I'm going to pause here and look into this list to check validity, but although this is quite a long list of alternate names for the same drug, as you can see Jytdog, there are some serious permanent side-effects that can be caused by this drug, and if someone is avoiding it particularly due to risk of side-effects or sensitivity, such as a Parkinson patient as mentioned for instance, this is a helpful addition to the article.TeeVeeed (talk) 10:59, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Stop following me around. And no, we don't do that in any drug article. We don't just make things up here as we go here; per MEDMOS and NOT, we don't list every brand of a drug. Jytdog (talk) 11:22, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Not following you/nothing personal but, it looks like you have reached the limit reversing this for now, and yes, naming different brand names here is commonly done. It is considered encyclopedic. I'm not sure what you are talking about? TeeVeeed (talk) 11:46, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
here is your edit history at this article. What is your policy-or-guideline based reason for your edit? Jytdog (talk) 11:54, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Can we please stick to the disputed content? I'm not even half-way through the list of names, but so far they check-out as being this drug (currently). One has added B12-so a slightly different thing. Do we need to provide examples of other articles? Again, I am agreeing with you that it is a very long list, but I completely don't see how leaving the information is a problem in any possible way, while deleting it could be.TeeVeeed (talk) 14:45, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
It's an unsightly wall of text. Readers can find the full list at the linked reference. clpo13(talk) 15:16, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
To answer your summary? Ok so here is one way that a long list of brand names is handled,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol_brand_names , with the list being on a different page from the main article. The major brand names are mentioned in article. I'm not seeing where this has been disputed before and resolved-that would help if you could point me to an example. But even-if that is the case, I still see no problem keeping the content for this article or making it less wall-of-textish/modifyingTeeVeeed (talk) 15:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
(more) Lithium (medication)#Names, Metformin#Formulations, Levothyroxine#Brand names . Asking again if you can please show me where the practice of deleting brand names from drug articles has been done please? Including the brand names is the way I am used to seeing it done.TeeVeeed (talk) 16:14, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
You have to follow the norms in the field you are working in, TeeVeeed, and no you cannot look at one or two other articles as examples to figure out the norms, because there are pockets of bad content everywhere in Wikipedia. The three articles you cite are most likely examples of oeople who work for companies coming to Wikipedia and spamming the name of their drug into the article; I will take care of those bits. The Paracetamol brand names is example of something we do on purpose when a) the drug is super important and b) there are zillions of brand names. We split them off into another article. Please tell me, what is your basis for selecting the two names in particular, "Reglan, Metozolv ODT", to add to the infobox? Jytdog (talk) 19:08, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
I think that we may want to take this elsewhere? I'm really having a problem with what you are saying here and I don't even know if I can comprehend your points. Having the brand name for a drug in articles is a feature not a problem or "spam", especially a prescription drug. To answer your question, I added the US brand name(s) of the drug to the infobox because they were no longer in the article for one thing, and obviously do you think there may be a reason that there is a space for brand names in the infobox?--I chose the US names because I guessed that they may be more widely known and were of interest to English language Wikipedia users, and despite the objections to the long list of brand names, you still have not shown me where it says that we are NOT supposed to use brand names, because that would be ludicrous, it is important information and SHOULD be in the article and/or infobox.TeeVeeed (talk) 19:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
From Wikipedia:WikiProject Pharmacology/Style guide#Sections , " In parenthesis, list the main or initial brand names for the drug and the name of the drug company. Be sure to brand all the applicable names; however, if there are more than a few brand names, it is best to list these separately in the body of the article." , Almost exactly how this article was before the list of brand names was removed.
I think that you are making some mistakes here Jytdog and I suggest that you slow-down. Where you cite the "laundry list"--that specifically referred-to side-effects and dosing information. And now I DO admit to "following you around"--because I'm trying to see how you justify your points, and for instance where you deleted all of the brand names of Ketamine here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ketamine&oldid=720306659 as "spam"....and any further removal of brand names, I really do believe that you are mistaken and I hope that you don't remove the brand names of drugs that are known to English language Wikipedia. Maybe using a link for very long lists of international brand names is appropriate, but you still have not shown me anything that says that is the way to go, and certainly not the known brand names which are common for English language Wikipedia. TeeVeeed (talk) 20:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

I have asked for wider input here: here -- Jytdog (talk) 20:45, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

  • agree w/ Jytdog[1] b) there are zillions of brand names. We split them off into another article. Please tell me, what is your basis for selecting the two names in particular, "Reglan, Metozolv ODT", to add to the infobox?...IMO--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:59, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Support inclusion. PHARMMOS and MEDMOS both say that if there are more than a couple, then editors should list all the brand names in a subsection under ==Society and culture==; in practice, when there are many dozens, we WP:SPLIT this to a separate page. Both MEDMOS and PHARMOS also say that the original brand name ought to be in the lead. Therefore, this material ought to be included as it was, and the original brand name ought to be tracked down and added to the lead.
    The claim that "we don't do that in any drug article" is wrong. Wikipedia is WP:NOTFINISHED, but consider this list of high-quality articles about prescription drugs:
  • That's all of the articles about Rx-only drugs that have GA or FA, and almost all of them are following this advice. Including these names is actually the normal thing to do. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:49, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
    Aspirin is a great example of where there is actually something interesting and enycylopedic about the brand name. Ditto warfarin. Adderal is a disaster from stem to stern and shouldn't be talked about as a good example of anything. Pretty much all the rest of those are spam fests and if you look at their histories you will see SPA editors adding their company's brand name to the list. It is absolutely not normal except to the extent that are spots where are content is garbage and has been spammed. Jytdog (talk) 05:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
    PHARMOS says, "if there are more than a few brand names, it is best to list these separately in the body of the article". How do you reconcile this advice to "list these separately" with removing all of them from the article? WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:37, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
    Yes, PHARMOS is out of sync with MEDMOS which specifically says not to clone sites like drugs.com and contravenes NOTCATALOG. Jytdog (talk) 06:38, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
    MEDMOS also recommends a subsection called ===Brand names=== and specifies that the original brand name and original manufacturer should always be in the lead. It sounds to me like MEDMOS agrees with PHARMOS. WhatamIdoing (talk) 14:56, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
MEDMOS does not say "add a laundry list of all available brand names". It teaches away from that. And again you are not dealing with the actual work it takes to create and maintain content. I do agree that it is entirely reasonable to list whatever the originating products were but once things go generic a laundry list of brand names is insane and unencyclopedic, and there is no basis on which to pick one generic over another, so it is all or nothing on that. And nothing, or rather - "there are many brand names worldwide" with a ref is appropriately encyclopedic content. But our continuing to butt heads is even more of a waste of time. Jytdog (talk) 16:37, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ a b Drugs.com International names for metoclopramide Page accessed March 28, 2016
  2. ^ International names for metoclopramide Page accessed May 11, 2016

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2016

I request that the brand name "Primperan" be added to the Trade Names or Brand names sections (I have no particular vested or commercial interest). Primperan is the most common name used internationally for metoclopramide (for example, see same reference 1 already provided), and much more common than Reglan or Metozolv (which are common in the USA). It's like omitting the brand name Aspirin when referring to acetylsalicylic acid. When searching Wikipedia, metoclopramide does not come up when searching for Primperan, and yet it comes up when searching for the much less common Metozolv. Let's improve Wikipedia. Thank you.

24.91.49.134 (talk) 16:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

added the whole list of names. Jytdog (talk) 20:05, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

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