Talk:Manual fire alarm activation

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The result of the nomination was Not moved -- Kim van der Linde at venus 04:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move of article

Fire alarm pull station → Manual pull station — Moving back to older, more proper name. — Talk:Fire alarm pull station — SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Merging Manual call point

I have no issues with merging the two articles. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WHO DECIDED TO MERGE THE TWO?? WHOEVER DID IS A BANANA...Firealarmsystem1 18:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I merged the two, and it makes sense to do so. The merge tags were up on both articles for a while, and both articles cover the same concept, so one might as well build on their similarities by putting them together, as well as having one article with a more worldwide view. SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)][reply]
Does it? It is the same concept, but not the same thing, anyway, see below, Global tag Nabifly (talk) 07:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Really, it's simply a regional variation on the same thing. That's why I merged the two articles. See below... SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I guess they both fulfil the same function... but in a quite different manner... See below. 나비Fly Talk/Contributions 10:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Global tag

I have added a global tag because most of the information in the introduction does not apply to the European or Oceanic version of a pull station (MCP). It should either be generic, or else, a separate MCP article should be re-created. Nabifly (talk) 07:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like something that could be fixed by a little rewriting. Try your hand at reworking the introduction and see what you can come up with. SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll have a go at doing that tomorrow. But, as for the title, "Manual call point" sounds more generic than "pull station", because while, one could envisage a call point being activated by pulling a lever, one couldn't envisage activating a pull station by pressing a button. In my opinion, either the title should be swapped, or the articles separated, otherwise a generic term needs to be found. Because a manual call point, is not a pull station. Nothing is pulled, resets can be done from a panel (no need for a key, or a code). Also, Google has 3X as many hits for "call point" as "call station". 나비Fly Talk/Contributions 10:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot find any mention on the Internet or elsewhere (other than Wikipedia or sites pulling from here) that refers to a manual call point as being a type of pull station. Arguably, they both derive from fire alarm boxes, but they eventuated independently and are not the same thing. Secondly, there is nothing that is "pulled" on an MCP, so how on earth can it fit under pull station? 나비Fly Talk/Contributions 02:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would personally suggest that, in terms of neutrality, this article should possibly be named "Fire alarm call points", or something similar. After all, pull stations, break-glasses and MCPs can all be designated call points, whereas the latter two cannot be designated a pull station. TalkIslander 10:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Simplex images

Is it appropriate to have so many images from the same manufacturer? 나비Fly Talk/Contributions 22:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of T-bars out in the world, but I will say that I hate that gallery in general, so optimally, we should move the images to Commons if they're not there already and put a Commons link in. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea how to do that, is it possible for you to do that? I will try to find out myself, but I don't want to ruin anything.
As for "a lot of T-bars in the world", by the world, you of course mean the US :-) I have never seen a T-bar in Australia, NZ, or China. Both the relevant Japanese and German articles also do not seem to mention them. 나비Fly Talk/Contributions 00:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are some pictures on wikimedia commons of pulls from other companies. There's also a picture of what appears to be a Russian pull station. The former Soviet republics seem to use both. I've seen photos of Russian MCPs on Flickr before. Weatherstar4000 (talk) 21:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome :-D 나비Fly Talk/Contributions 02:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merger Proposal

I would like to merge the two articles. It seems that since they are both pull stations, with a box being a sub type, they should be merged. AndrewrpTally-ho! 01:30, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable enough. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:46, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We can keep the two articles separate, but perhaps we can rename this to fire alarm call box or private fire alarm box. AndrewrpTally-ho! 21:28, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The last one is out, because these are often city systems (as is the one pictured). That said, the first one makes sense, and I'm going to move it now... SchuminWeb (Talk) 11:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest that these articles should be separateled. they are diferent products. Standand NFPA and EN 54 are using pull stantion, manual call point. Fire Alarm call box is a different product--Masanalv 17:09, 30 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masanalv (talk • contribs)

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