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Who You Are

There are no sources on this article claiming this is the name of her debut studio album; removing it. I am aware of the Amazon source; it does not mention it is a studio lbum, however. "Audio CD" could mean it is a CD single. Yves (talk) 09:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just J?

Her name needs to shortened either "Jessie" or "J." See Lady Gaga and how only "Gaga" is used. --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 19:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a difference case, though, since it's one letter. Since the "J" doesn't seem to stand for anything in "Jessica Ellen Cornish", we can assume this is a stage name (like B.B. King) and not initials (like T. V. Carpio). In this case, I believe we should use the full "Jessie J". Using just the "J" would be quite confusing. [If you want an example, think of a hypothetical sentence like, "After supporting UNICEF, J had...".] Lady Gaga is often known as simply "Gaga", while Jessie J is not known as either "Jessie" or "J". I believe this situation is comparable to that of Karen O or Vitamin C. Yves (talk) 03:19, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Yves's above opinion explains all! Silvergoat (talkcontrib) 15:34, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to shorten it i would probably just say "Jessie"? --SATURDAYmight. (talk) 20:51, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

jakobs rite, i mean, is it that hard to say 'jessie j'? r u so lazy to simply use ur voicebox 2 say 'jessie j'? that is her stage name so call her by her stage name! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.182.55.107 (talk) 19:46, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just thought it seemed tedious to say "Jessie J released this. Then Jessie J did that. Then Jessie J made a this." But you have a point. --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 21:15, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly it doesn't really matter, Jessie J is the name she is under. Leave it as such. Jakob 03:19, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Shaner89, 13 March 2011

{{subst:edit semi-protected}} please change

The single charted at number-two on the UK Singles Charts, being held off the top-spot by Bruno Mars with "Grenade" Her follow-up single "Price Tag" was released in late January 2010,

to

The single charted at number-two on the UK Singles Charts, being held off the top-spot by Bruno Mars with "Grenade" Her follow-up single "Price Tag" was released in late January 2011,

as this is the actual correct date. Thanks

See your own source below stating this change is correct

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_Tag

Shaner89 (talk) 19:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done: thanks so much, for both the request and using the template correctly! :) Yves (talk) 19:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Charts

Dutch Singles Top 100: #95 Do It Like a Dude, #24 Price Tag

Dutch Top 40: #20 Price Tag

07/10/12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.226.160 (talk) 14:02, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Songwriting

The article said she wrote songs for Rhianna , Christina Aguilera etc. I have removed these as I can find no evidence. Her Sony/ATV publishers page only mentions Miley Cyrus - Party in the USA and Chris Brown - I Need This. Darwin-rover (talk) 01:17, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do It Like a Dude was meant to be for Rihanna though. And I believe she said in an interview that L.O.V.E. was meant for Christina Aguilera (later for Leone Lewis). So I agree those artists should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.87.105.16 (talk) 16:17, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Charts

Who You Are (single) debuted at No. 112 in the USA this week (No. 12 on Bubbling Under)... Please include! --79.216.168.105 (talk) 17:22, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Edit request from Jasmine556, 24 May 2011

Price Tag has gone x3 platinum in Austrailia.

Price Tag has also peaked at #3 in Germany.

Jasmine556 (talk) 20:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. If you have reliable sources, please provide them here and change the "answered" tag from "yes" to "no". Qwyrxian (talk) 05:30, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Perhaps the article should read

"Jessica Ellen Cornish (born 27 March 1988), better known by her stage name Jessie J" instead of "Jessie J (born Jessica Ellen Cornish on 27 March 1988)"

The second form implies that Jessie J is her legal name while the first form is standard for most other musicians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bagv (talkcontribs) 08:54, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Confused

< In late 2010, Jessie J released her first single, "Do It Like a Dude" which was wrote by George Astasio, Jason Pebworth, Jon Shave, Kyle Abrahams, Peter Ighile. Originally, she wrote the song with Rihanna in mind >

so: who did write it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.115.117 (talk) 12:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Random text

This random bit of text popped up under the "discography"-section. I deleted it... that should be fine, right?! "''''more'''' Jessie J is a popular celebrity know mainly for children about 12+ as some of Jessies lyrics contain sexual script or rude language. Apart from that Jessie J is a born singer which everyone cleary enjoys as she won a brit award and hopefully will win another few in the future." Wiki934 (talk) 18:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Born in Ilford not Romford

Early life

wrong: // Jessie J was born Jessica Ellen Cornish in Romford, Essex and was educated at Mayfield High School in the London Borough of Redbridge.

Jessie J was born Jessica Ellen Cornish at King George Hospital in Barley Lane, Ilford, Goodmayes and grew up in Romford, Essex and was educated at Mayfield High School in Pedley Road, Dagenham, Goodmayes from 2002 to 2006.
source: http://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/news/jessie_j_s_ex_goodmayes_music_teacher_reveals_singer_s_humble_beginnings_1_1083128 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.56.188.234 (talk) 18:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jessie J and Leona Lewis both went to the BRIT school but were not in the same graduating class. Leona left at 17 without graduating (in 2002) and is three years older than Jessie and Adele.

Price86 (talk) 21:50, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 22 January 2012

I want to change pics on wiki

RihannaRox02 (talk) 04:17, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This template is for requesting specific edits to the page, if you want to be able to edit it yourself you need to create an account (it requires no personal info and only takes 30 seconds), then become autoconfirmed or confirmed--Jac16888 Talk 13:21, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality/Citizenship

Is Jessie J's nationality stated officially as British (citizen the United Kingdom) or English (citizen of England; a constituent countries of the United Kingdom) ? I don't think there is an English citizenship. This is starting to annoy me now, on multiple articles. Jrobin08 (talk) 18:49, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UKNATIONALS English is a nationality and nationality is no way defined just be citizenship. Same with Welsh, Scottish and Nirish,--Τασουλα (talk) 14:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccuracies w/ personal life/sexuality--

"Jessie J is openly bisexual and stated in an interview on the "In Demand" radio show on 3 March 2011, "I've never denied it. Whoopie doo guys, yes, I've dated girls and I've dated boys – get over it."[38][39] However, in April 2012, she denied this claim via her official Twitter account calling it a "yet another boring untrue story".[40] According to the Guardian, Jessie J's sexuality is valuable to young teens, especially for young girls unsure of themselves because of their sexuality and identity, to feel "that this does happen and this is normal."[41] she is not a lesbian ok get over it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The second sentence ('However...') suggests that Jessie J has denied she is bisexual, which isn't the case. Actually, it was claimed that she was a lesbian (for example, here, which she denied- see http://www.twitlonger.com/show/h2288a for the exact message.

So... please just get rid of it, and its accompanying reference? Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.23.250.13 (talk) 19:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This issue appears to be resolved. The wording was changed to: "However, in April 2012 The Sun outed her as lesbian which she denied via Twitter, calling it a 'yet another boring untrue story'." I changed the word homosexual to lesbian, because I feel that's more accurate. The article on Lesbianism says the word means, "characterized by others as having the primary attribute of female homosexuality" which I feel is slightly more accurate. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 20:55, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Physician -> Doctor

The personal life section talks about advice from her 'physician', but as she's English she'd have a 'doctor', not a 'physician'. Not sure what policy is on this but it seems wrong to me. Suggest changing. Wookey (talk) 22:00, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there! Please try to post new messages at the bottom of talk pages. At any rate, the source for that information uses the word "doctor" over physician. On the wiki, medical doctor redirects to physician, while doctor seems to refer to any person with a doctorate. I'll change the word physician to doctor in the article and link to physician. Since the topic is about a person from the UK, it's proper etiquette to write the article with that dialect in mind. I'm not aware whether physician or doctor is more correct colloquially in the UK, but I'll make the change for the above reasoning. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 22:14, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Middle name

The middle name of "Ellen" has been removed. While this may be her real middle name, I was unable to locate a reliable source stating her middle name as such. An edit war seems to have occurred between someone who contested the middle name, so I looked it up and removed it when I couldn't locate sources. Please help me locate a source which confirms that. EDIT: Also, the "Artistry and voice" section should give information about her vocal range. I've read rumors and informal critiques that call her a mezzo-soprano. Any reliable confirmation would be much appreciated and would seriously boost the article up. :D --Thevampireashlee (talk) 00:02, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Artistry and Voice

We all think Jessie's vocal range must be written on this page. There are many critics who had called her a soprano while others a mezzo-soprano, such as Frank Richardson from Metacritic, so we can conclude she's the latter 'cause of this is a well known music critic along many years.JD3rulo (talk) 03:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Pictures on Wikimedia

We all agree that someone should place current pictures of the singer, with her brand blonde new hear, singing in several shows she has peformed all these months.JD3rulo (talk) 03:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who is "we"?—Kww(talk) 03:51, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Minor Fix

Above the Personal Life section is "Together, they performed "I Gotta Feeling", a song she previously recorded with the other four coaches of the televised singing competition, The Voice . After, Jessie J sang her international hit, "Domino".[51] In July 2012, the title of Jessie J's second studio album was revealed to be Heaven."

Someone delete the space before the period in "singing competition, The Voice ." please — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.110.152.116 (talk) 14:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong

On 12 August 2012 she performed "Price Tag", "Written in the Stars", "Dynamite, and "You Should Be Dancing" with Tinie Tempah and Taio Cruz, and "We Will Rock You" with Queen at the Closing Ceremony of the 2012 Olympic Games.

Should be: At the London 2012 Olympic Games, Jessie J was invited to perform, where she sung her hit Price tag before guesting on Written in the stars with Tinie Tempah. She then teamed up with Tempah and Taio Cruz to sing a cover of the Bee Gee's You should be dancing. Later in the ceremony she dueted with Queen on We Will rock you. With a source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.185.25 (talk) 16:44, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

new roll in TV - future

She is to appear in Wordgirl in season 7 voicing Louise Kramer. Alien Arceus 06:58, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Charity

Jessie J is going to shave her hair for charity on March 14,2013 as she stated on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. The name of this charity that Jessie J is cutting her hair off for is Comic Relief please update this. 86.9.43.75 (talk) 01:18, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This youtube video

This video features her on some sort of show at 15 winning a singing award. I think it should be incorporated into the main article by someone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L3YZxewg2M Billy4kate (talk) 11:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 2 June 2013

Jessie won Best Pop Singer on Britain's Brilliant Prodigies(2003) when she was just 15-year-old. Source: http://perezhilton.com/2013-03-13-watch-jessie-j-video-singing-at-age-15 69.136.249.87 (talk) 01:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done with this edit. I used an NME reference instead of the Hilton one. Thank you. Begoontalk 05:02, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Voice

the section need to be rename for "2012-2013: The Voice" 2.31.120.6 (talk) 21:51, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 28 October 2013

I would like to update the photo, as this is out of date due to Jessie's hair shave and new album release. I would also like to make a few changes to the names of her tour and a few factual errors. ElliottOliver (talk) 16:12, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You will be able to edit the article when your account becomes autoconfirmed, which usually happens after you have made at least 10 edits and your account is at least four days old. RudolfRed (talk) 19:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

photo

photo in infobox should be change. This one should replace it - JJFranceHQ14.jpg . 2.31.126.92 (talk) 00:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pitch Error

She doesn't hit a G♯5 in "Band Bang", but rather a G5. The clip posted has been shifted up a semitone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.219.77 (talk) 07:21, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Artistry and voice

I removed the remnants of a copyright violation from Commons, a statement attributed to nobody and using a YouTube clip as a "reference", and the opinion of 2 random "internet critics", partially unsourced, concerning vocal range. I also question the need for the 2 audio clips that remain as fair use.

I get that folks would like to say "Jessie has this outstanding vocal range" and classify it as "soprano" or similar, but it really makes an unprofessional mess when that's done by stuffing in and cherrypicking "anything that can be googled to support it". We should be reporting what reliable sources say, in in-depth coverage, not grasping at anything that can be found on the internet that vaguely supports a desired POV, then weaving it into a statement we'd like to see here.

Jessie's an awesome singer, I'm a big fan, but if we want to make points like this let's do it with proper sourcing, if we can find any.

JD3rulo, I'm looking at you, mainly, here... This was all discussed already, on this talk page, my talk page, your talk page, and all the other editors' talkpages you raised it on. Begoontalk 20:03, 25 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Shouldn't Jessie's official social media sites be listed?

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JessieJOfficial Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/JessieJ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/isthatjessiej — Preceding unsigned comment added by CH33R035 (talkcontribs) 09:39, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Debut?

No, début. Accent aigu. Duh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.31.137 (talk) 19:55, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2015

Jessica has recently been in a relationship with Sarah Dickinson from Wigan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.188.243.73 (talk) 12:59, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

195.188.243.73 (talk) 12:57, 26 January 2015 (UTC),[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Sam Sing! 13:17, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jessie J listed as a feminist?

Jessie J identifies as a feminist, and as such I have tried to add her to the categories "Feminist musicians" and "English feminists", but a user named Weegeerunner says that she has not done anything "notably" feminist as to be added to those categories. My stance on the subject is that, in the words of Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, "Whoever says they’re feminist is [a] feminist." Thoughts?

Heart condition

There have been numerous reports from reliable sources[1][2] that she has had Wolff–Parkinson–White syndrome since birth, but this is not mentioned anywhere in the article. 131.242.100.127 (talk) 00:31, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Heart condition AND minor stroke claims.

Recently Jessie J, whilst in capacity as a judge on The Voice Australia, warmly greeted and hugged a stroke survivor, on national TV, and told a very incredulous story about her suffering from a heart condition and her 'minor stroke' experience as a kid that took 'years of rehabilitation.' In this story she was 17 (conflicting with the articles 18), which coincides with her last year of high school and joining a girl band. Also recently in the Australian news Belle Gibson, a young girl who made a multi-million dollar empire claiming she cured terminal cancer by 'eating whole foods' and contemplating her navel twice daily has been dragged across the coals for her lies, during an interview where she 'came clean' she threw it all back to a 'stroke' she had.

It is worth noting both Jessie and Belle show no signs of being stroke survivors. Both have coincidental dates in their history which conflict with their stories.

I'm not saying Jessie is lying, but she most probably is turning it up. One doesn't have a stroke then join a girl band and then finish their high school certificate. Especially if they're going through 'years of rehabilitation.' I get that celebrities and their PR agents spin lies to make a good story, but in 2015 and with the whole internet thing those lies tend to come unwoven quite quickly. Given I've never heard of this woman before I have no qualms in questioning her claims, I have thus pointed out that she claims to have had a stroke, not has had a stroke. It is worth taking medical claims of severity of ill health with skepticism when people begin to twist that story into a narrative to win fans and sales. BaSH PR0MPT (talk) 14:36, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Infobox image

Hi. I'm really not too keen on the current infobox pic, so I had a look through recent Commons images. The choice isn't too great when you rule out all the images that just wouldn't work for an infobox because of microphones in front of face, angles, poses etc, and I was really left with 2 possibilities, which I've cropped and included here. Neither of them are what I'd call perfect, but I'd be interested in any opinions, or better image options etc. Thanks. -- Begoon 02:58, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Begoon: Sorry- had to revert the addition of 2 as it really didn't look good. Maybe 3? jcc (tea and biscuits) 21:30, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe, but "BLP violation"? I'm not sure quite what you mean by that but it seems a bizarre thing to say... Anyway, if you like "3" feel free to use it, or just leave the current image in place. -- Begoon 02:38, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, some time later, with the benefit of hindsight and a healthy dollop of "what the fuck was he even talking about?", I'm trying [3] now, mostly because I'm fascinated to see if someone can come up with a more bizarre "objection" than yours, or even to just attempt to coax out of you an actual explanation of your "objection", whatever it was. BLP violation? Gobsmacked, honestly... and this is rare for me. I think I might expect an apology unless you can explain... -- Begoon 00:45, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • 1 - All 3 are poor however IMHO 1 is the least poor - There's no weird facial expressions and it looks more natural I guess, With 2 she has a very awkward/weird facial expression and with 3 well that just looks very odd, IMHO none are great at all however it's either 1 or none at all. –Davey2010Talk 01:32, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • 1 is the best of them all. Images can be BLP violations too and I've got to agree with Davey, 2 looks very odd. jcc (tea and biscuits) 16:15, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • What about the image to the left
    ? Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:17, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good to me. jcc (tea and biscuits) 16:19, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
File:Jessie_J_4,_2012.jpg is also there, of a more head on shot, couple of other images too, all better than current or other image Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:33, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support that image (shown) however the one linked right above this reply still IMHO looks odd but yeah I think that image is better than the current one, –Davey2010Talk 16:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2018

From This:

To This:

There is a brand new Wikipedia article created for Jessie J's new album, "R.O.S.E.". I was hoping to have this linked to her discography section in her official page. 2607:FEA8:12E0:D11:F4AC:4EB9:3F09:3D1F (talk) 21:16, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done with thanks, NiciVampireHeart 23:06, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2019

Can you change the nationality from American to British please? Many thanks TarquinFauntleroy (talk) 15:16, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 15:18, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2019

Jessie J is an ENGLISH singer/songwriter..not American, she may be located there now but is still British. Greanise (talk) 19:27, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Cannolis (talk) 07:57, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

first paragraph

Should

In 2018, Jessie J made another huge international recognition following her appearance in the Hunan TV reality program Singer (previously called I Am a Singer).

read

In 2018, Jessie J gained another huge international recognition following her appearance in the Hunan TV reality program Singer (previously called I Am a Singer).

or similar? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.9.7.102 (talk) 09:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs has an RFC for the use of radio station/networks' playlists being cited in articles. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Heartfox (talk) 00:12, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2021

n November 2014, she started dating American singer Luke James.[90] The couple ended their relationship in October 2015. It is unclear whether the pair rekindled their relationship, but they went on to perform together a couple of times.[91] In October 2018 Jessie J started dating American Actor Channing Tatum, they broke up in November 2019 and rekindled their relationship in January 2020 before permanently calling it quits in March 2020. Jaatdckz (talk) 06:21, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  melecie  t - 07:00, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2022

Under the anchor "#2017–2020:_R.O.S.E._and_Singer_2018" there is stated that, her third single Queen is representing empowerment, which is incorrect, is represents "sex" (the "S" in R.O.S.E., see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.O.S.E.#R.O.S.E_Tour_2017–2018).

The last part of the full album didn't really had a "release single", some say that it was "Rose Challenge" but have no sources to validate that.

(Was unable to select the correct part of the article) NLJasper (talk) 00:20, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done: Your second request was unclear. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:45, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2023

Change ‘pregnant with her first child’ to ‘pregnant’.

It states below she has previously been pregnant and suffered a miscarriage, thus making this pregnancy not her ‘first’. 91.125.81.245 (talk) 22:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: that's WP:OR. M.Bitton (talk) 23:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2023

In the health section, add that she was diagnosed with Endometriosis in 2014.

Sources:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10775217/amp/Jessie-J-candidly-details-struggles-suffering-devastating-miscarriage-year.html

https://www.popsugar.com/family/jessie-j-pregnancy-loss-48812020/amp 70.27.38.10 (talk) 13:59, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: According to WP:DAILYMAIL and WP:RSP, both these sources are not considered reliable. Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DreamRimmer (talk) 17:11, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not to be Confused

Some people confuse her with the artist Juicy J. can you add Juicy J in the "not to be confused with" section? 174.89.136.224 (talk) 06:48, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2024

Change "departed ways with" to "parted ways with" Worldwidewouter (talk) 20:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 20:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]