Talk:Genetic history of Europe

Adams et al. (2008) unproven judgements?

The reference included in the section "Bibliography", by Adams et al, on religious intolerance and gentics in the iberian peninsula,from Am J Hum Gen is just terrible. Its title clearly indicates an aim outside the scope of a Journal on Human Genetics, and it contains many imprecissions and unproven judgements. No description of the sampling technique is included in the article, and even the ballot surveys describe how they choosed the sample in their data. From the description of "spaniards rueld by 300'000 visigoths" a negative judgement can be inferred, but the goths never ruled the spaniards, they just started acting as state powers when the Roman authority that hired them to be part of the roman army in exchange of being allowed to have shelter inside the roman empire borders,as some other peoples attacked them, when the roman authority faded goths found themselves as the only organized power,and started acting in acordance with their authorities, the romans allowed the goth's authorities to be preserved inside the roman army, and with their own rules. No imposition at all existed in this. The paper speaks about religious intolerance: goths changed their orginal religion, arrianism, to catholicism, in order not to enter in conflict with the rest of spaniards, but many times the facts linked to other religious groups arriving into Spain, some times forced,as some people of jewish orgin may have arrived to Spain forced by the romans,others as invaders, there were several cases when moslim authorities tryed to force christians to endorse moslim faith, or accept Mohammed as a prophet;some catholics become saints when they were killed because of this, and that probably is against the moslim rules, that stablish for the Islam a respect for "The people of the book", jewish and christians,the book named in this being the Bible. Some cases of jewish being blamed for religious violence existed,for example the case of "Santo Dominguito del Val", the history telling that young was crucified, and the expulsion of jewish in 1492 was founded in a supposed declaration of some of them of trying to "Put down the law of Jesus and stablisihing the rule of Moshes law"; even when the descendants of the kings that made the expulsion were ruling, many jews returned years after the expulsion to Spain, and there's no record of them being bothered again. The article uses the word "pogrom", a word of polish origin, but no records exits of violence in Spain specially focusing on jews, and if it was some, it was never worse than violence from some spaniards against other spaniards. The article in Am J Hum Gen speaks about some 20% of today's spanish males having jewish Y chromosome markers, and if it's taken into account that the same article says that at the time of expulsion, jewish were just 4% of the total population in Spain, the growth of this people from 4% in 1492 to 20% of today clearly speaks about no discrimination, at least. The authors have doubts about why the 20% is maintained all over Spain but in the island of Menorca. This island was for some time an english island, and either people of jewish ancestry moved to the british islands looking for a richer environment, or they were chased by the britons. This article in Am J Hum Gen seems containing a lot of propaganda, but from who,and with which goal ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.22.49.96 (talk • contribs) 14:47, 5 November 2011‎

I dared to clarify the headline of this by far to long-winded contribution.HJHolm (talk) 14:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

About İmprove to Article

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Western Hunter Gatherer diet

Has enough study been done to determine if the WHG population across Europe had sufficient access to high vitamin D sources? It would seem obvious that the coastal peoples did but ISTR that there was an individual from the mountainous regions around Switzerland, from around the same period and DNA profile of Cheddar Man, who by inference might have had a harder time of it. The bones could tell the story, as with Kennewick Man whose diet was analyzed. Blueistrue (talk) 21:33, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Recently removed reliable content about historical migrations into Europe and Siberia geneflow

Recently an editor removed large parts of sourced content about historical migration events affecting parts of Europe and leaving high quality archaeogenetic samples, such as the Huns, Pannonian Avars, and historical Magyar/Hungarian conquerors. Furthermore, content about geneflow from East Asia/Siberia was removed without an constructive reason. These studies are relevant for the Genetic history of Europe, as this article is only useful if it shows the complete history of Europe, as such including minority linguistic groupings Uralic languages and Turkic languages, and not Indo-European languages. The specific improvements can be seen here:.

Specifically relevant for the history section:

• European Huns and later Pannonian Avars, which migrated from the Inner Asian region and Mongolia, contributed specific East Asian lineages towards local European populations. A genetic study published in Scientific Reports in January 2020 examined the remains of twenty-six individuals buried at various elite Avar cemeteries in the Pannonian Basin (Hungary and Austria) dated to the 7th century AD. The mtDNA of these Avars belonged mostly to East Asian haplogroups, while the Y-DNA was exclusively of East Asian origin and "strikingly homogenous", belonging to haplogroups N-M231 and Q-M242. The evidence suggested that the Avar elite were largely patrilineal and endogamous for a period of around one century, and entered the Pannonian Basin through migrations from East Asia involving both men and women. Neparáczki et al. 2019 examined the remains of three males from three separate 5th century Hunnic cemeteries in the Pannonian Basin. They were found to be carrying the paternal haplogroups Q1a2, R1b1a1b1a1a1 and R1a1a1b2a2. In modern Europe, Q1a2 is rare but has its highest frequency among the Székelys. All of the Hunnic males studied were determined to have had brown eyes and black or brown hair, and to have been of mixed European and East Asian ancestry. The results were consistent with a Xiongnu origin of the Huns.

(Reference links for the above content:)

Specifically relevant for the lead (as the lead must summarize the articles content and not exclusively talk about Indo-Europeans):

• Geneflow from East Asian-related groups (samplified by North Siberian Nganasan people) towards Europe are associated with the arrival of Uralic languages during the late Bronze Age and early Iron Age.

• East Asian-related ancestry is found at low frequency among most Europeans, with maxima among Northeastern Europeans.

• Ethnogenesis of the modern ethnic groups of Europe in the historical period is associated with numerous admixture events, primarily those associated with the Roman, Germanic, Norse, Slavic, Berber, Arab and Turkish expansion, including the earlier Turkic migration from Northeast Asia, as well as the arrival of Uralic-speakers from Siberia.

Relevant for the genetic section is this admixture component analysis, which is showing the various genetic ancestry components for Europeans:

Ancestry component analysis calculated onto various European populations. The East Asian-related "Nganasan component" (purple), which is associated with the spread of Uralic languages, is found in most modern European ethnic groups and maximized among Uralic-speakers of Northeastern Europe.

Refer to the cited studies and references. These informations can not simply be removed, especially if they are relevant here. That would be against the basic principles of Wikipedia itself.2001:4BC9:923:2F:5471:DD29:A22C:9A9 (talk) 12:24, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Howdy @पाटलिपुत्र:, could you please check and include the references and content explained above? You seem to be a good and neutral editor, so you may include this information or an rewritten form of it, if you have time. Have a nice day!-2001:4BC9:921:5E68:49C3:B287:2DC0:A46C (talk) 17:26, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Sock edits

I have totally reverted the inclusions of the IP sock of WorldCreaterFighter. Kind of East Asian supremacist. See:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/WorldCreaterFighter

He is the same as the IP commentary above, who tried to further vandalize the article but was reverted and reported by another user, which resulted in the protection of the page. Any help to revert his vandalism is appropriated!Whhu22 (talk) 09:39, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Molecular Genetics

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