Talk:Democracy in Hong Kong

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I suggest to make change to the title to "Political reform in Hong Kong" --Moddlyg (talk) 13:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The original proposed title was "universal suffrage in HK". Is already toned down. Benjwong (talk) 02:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Poor coverage

The current article is missing chunks of information I'd expect to find in an article of democratic development in Hong Kong. The current article reports details about the current strive for universal suffrage, but mentions little or literally nothing about pre-handover events. First, the Young's reforms (which were dropped); secondly, rise of pressure groups in the 1970s; thirdly, the developments in the District Councils in the 1980s and fourthly the pre-handover developments in LegCo. What is more, there is no mention of the democratisation after the handover: the composition of the LegCo has been changing over the last decade (see the Basic Law). The coverage of this article is way too narrow.Craddocktm (talk) 16:14, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes, I agree. I've been building up sources so I can make something of this article from when democratic reforms started in 1984. Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:09, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New section

I've added a new section to the article which I believe is an important reference to the political machinations six years ago not previously mentioned. I would like to share with you the great shock [not], that history is sadly repeating itself. Ohconfucius ¡digame! 05:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to get to the point. Beijing does not want HK people to vote. Even if they vote, it has to be "very controlled". They know voters will eventually play the independence card. The whole point of Pro-Beijing-style politics is to repeat nonsense until beyond 2049. Benjwong (talk) 03:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting development over the last few days... Beijing rolling out the invisible carrot and the heavy stick. One thing they do want for sure is for this rehashed proposal to pass through LegCo. Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I read this article again with the recent changes. The 2004 referendum + reform package should be its own article. I really think most of it can be summarized to a few sentences here because it really mounted to nothing. You look back at the 1st chief assigned to the territory, Tung chee-hwa, whose first immediate priority was to enable sports gambling. There is no mention of citizen's confidence lost here in this article either. Benjwong (talk) 03:52, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly a separate article, but I don't want to break this up into a separate article yet. I have started working an article for the 2009 consultations, which should be easier, as there are plenty of current affairs reports around. Your help there would be welcome. Once that article is moved to mainspace, I will summarise this article. Ohconfucius ¡digame! 05:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The other thing worth deleting are survey results. You can have a survey that backup any POV. Benjwong (talk) 04:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With respect, I think the article should develop this very important and interesting aspect. Manipulation of public opinion is nothing new; The One Country Two Systems Institute poll is certainly very questionable. I'm not convinced it should be removed, because the way opinion polls are used is or should be under scrutiny. The use of polls is becoming a very important part of the government's communication strategy. That Beijing or the DAB sets up an 'independent' front organisation ostensibly to lobby, and then comes up with a result which is brandished about like it was equivalent to holding a referendum on the subject, is risible. If it were the PRC government, I'm sure this activity would have been lumped with the Wumaodang by now. Ohconfucius ¡digame! 05:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Rather than removing public surveys, I reckon it would be a better idea to cite a number of conflicting ones. To exclude a certain poll because of its POV is POV itself: NPOV should mean presenting different sides of the arguments, not leaving them out all together! For example, the HKUPOP poll usually shows a high level of discrepancies with the One Country Two System one, and is readily available.Craddocktm (talk) 04:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline

Perhaps we can take up material from this (direct) SCMP item, reference: Fortress Legco for reform vote, with protests expected; SCMP; Fanny W. Y. Fung and Phyllis Tsang; 23 Jun 2010 http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCMP/menuitem.2af62ecb329d3d7733492d9253a0a0a0/?vgnextoid=c99990eaf8069210VgnVCM100000360a0a0aRCRD&ss=Hong+Kong&s=News

April 2004 - National People’s Congress (NPC) Standing Committee rules out universal suffrage in 2007

December 2005 - Legco vetoes 2007 reform package, which would have added five seats each to functional and geographical constituencies

December 2007 - NPC standing committee rules 2017 and 2020 as the earliest dates to implement universal suffrage for election of chief executive and lawmakers

November 2009 - Government releases 2012 reform package under which the size of the Election Committee that picks the chief executive would be expanded from 800 to 1,200 members, and 10 more seats would be added to Legco

November 2009 - Democratic Party suggests new district council functional constituency seats to be elected by all 3.2 million voters

January 2010 - Five pan-democrat legislators resign to initiate a so-called referendum on abolishing functional constituencies

May - The five are re-elected but with a record low turnout of 17.1 per cent

May - Government launches “Act Now” campaign to drum up public support for the reform package

May 24 - Democratic Party “ice-breaking” meeting with Li Gang of the central government’s liaison office

June 7 - NPC Standing Committee deputy secretary general Qiao Xiaoyang says restricting new district council seats to elected councillors is appropriate

June 17 - Pro-Beijing figures express support for Democratic Party’s proposal after Basic Law Committee vice-chairwoman Elsie Leung Oi-sie does U-turn and declares the party’s proposal does not breach NPC decision on pace of reform

June 21 - Executive Council formally endorses the party’s proposal

  • Perhaps, but I think that was the wrong link (now corrected). Anyway, although there has bee a significant breakthrough, I feel it may be just little too detailed for this article? - it surely is only a little more important than Tung stacking District Councils with appointees? I am certainly considering creating a timeline for the 'Consultations' article. The whole 2009 section was the seed for the COnsultations' article, and I already feel there is too much detail there and should be pruned. What you say? Ohconfucius ¡digame! 02:13, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Someone added the US law passed in relation to Hong Kong in the timelines. I've deleted it because: 1. HK is not part of US territory or subject to US jurisdiction. 2. US is not party to the current democratic reforms in HK. US does not have a seat in HK's legislative council or process. 3. There is no meaningful way to interpret the information relating to US. It is unknown what exactly is the US position with respect to reforms in HK. 198.48.246.37 (talk) 23:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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