Talk:Chili pepper/Archive 2

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This section is unfortunately a mess. Let me ask two questions:

  1. Where did chili originate?
  2. Who brought chili to Asia?

We need to stick to one answer. Either it was brought to Asia or it originated there. If it was brought there, it was either before or after Columbus, and either by Westerners or not.

Alternatively, if there is no consensus that's okay if we use that as our answer. That is, instead of saying both "brought by Spaniards/Portuguese" and "came earlier" we need to show we are aware of the contradiction and say something like "there is no consensus" or "it came both ways, and here's an explanation for what that means: ...".

But the section needs heavy editing. As is, it says both A and B with no analysis or self-reflection. CapnZapp (talk) 13:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

You could go ahead and edit the History section. I agree it could be said with about half as much content. 1) PMID 24753581 and PMID 27245634 say chilis have origin in the region of Mexico-Central America-northwest South America, and 2) other sources support the spread of chilis throughout Europe and Asia by Portuguese seafarers in the 15th century. --Zefr (talk) 14:00, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, but do note the tagged issue isn't {{verbosity}} or {{refimprove}}, it's {{self-contradictory}}. Regards CapnZapp (talk) 21:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Made a new edit. The claim Columbus was "among the first" is probably a good-faith edit to distinguish that it is quite possible one of his crew beat him to it. However, the phrasing is unfortunate since it opens the back door to the theory Europeans had encountered chillies even before Columbus. As I have said above, that in itself is not something I am inherently against if we can find reliable sources. Until we do, however, the encyclopedic quality demands that we take a stand to assert that Columbus (and his crew) was indeed first. CapnZapp (talk) 14:32, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree the content could be stated better, and made a revision of your edit, with two additional sources for Asian uses, to make the section more definitive. I also removed the discussion of paprika as WP:OFFTOPIC. --Zefr (talk) 15:34, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

I'd also be curious how/when chili peppers appeared in Africa (e.g. to make berbere), assuming they weren't always there. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

There are records that chilies came to Goa in India by 1510 via the Portuguese and the first chilies introduced in Africa came via Brazil; without other sources the assumption is going to be that Portuguese traders sometime after 1500 (or 1498) brought the chilies to Africa and not the first expedition of Abubakari II of Mali; chilies are native to the Americas and not Africa. Falconjh (talk) 00:23, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

capsicum

Ok,why is this article called chilli but it refers to the biological name ‘capsicum annuum’ and not ‘capsicum’? The article later on states that “there are 5 domesticated species of chilli pepper’ and includes capsicum annuum along with capsicum frutescens in the groups of what is known as chilli which is CAPSICUM. Therefore according to the very same article capsicum is THE CHILLI PEPPER. So it should be fixed and refer to the biological name capsicum as opposed to capsicum annuum. Can you fix that or answer thy it refers to capsicum annuum according to the article. ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.119.80.219 (talk) 08:10, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. I have changed the infobox to one for the whole capsicum genus, and added prominent chili pepper cultivars of the other species to the infobox. Morgan Riley (talk) 04:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

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Culinary uses

The list included in this section has degenerated into a list of any dish that has chili peppers in it. I think we need to cull it to only include those dishes/food products in which chilis are a featured/main/crucial ingredient, maybe put it into a paragraph, which may help keep it from getting out of hand again. —valereee (talk) 12:19, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Chile. Not chili.

Chile is a new world fruit from the Americas. According to Wikipedia policy (The official policy is to use British spelling when writing about British topics, and American [sic] for topics relating to the United States) the topic should be titled "Chile". Chili is a dish made from chiles. Pepper is a misnomer. Regardless of popular opinions, facts should be the driving principle for articles on Wikipedia. 24.24.187.216 (talk) 13:32, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

"Chili" is the most common spelling in American English, by a lot. That's a fact, one that's been hashed out already as seen in the archives. oknazevad (talk) 14:30, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
@Oknazevad I remember the original conversation. It was wrong then and it still is. It's white privilege. 24.24.187.216 (talk) 01:25, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
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