Talk:Chernobyl disaster

Grammar

The fist sentence should read: "At the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the city of Pripyat, located in the then Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic of the Soviet Union (USSR)" instead of: "at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the city of Pripyat, then located in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic of the Soviet Union (USSR)". It did not physically move.

The section titled "Social Economic Effects" should be renamed to "socioeconomic effects" to reflect proper terminology.

minor but this is the English language page "Numerous structural and construction quality issues, as well as deviations from the original plant design, had been known to KGB since at least 1973 and passed on to the Central Committee, which take no action and classified the information." should be "been known to the KGB... which took no action"

Containing fire

The timeline says all fires were contained at 6:35 - this should probably mention "fires around the power plant": The core continued to burn days after, but there is no description what measures really lead to containing the fire inside the reactor. It just says "It is now known that virtually none of the neutron absorbers reached the core." It is not clear what really stopped the fire.

decay heat was the "fire" and it "stopped" being "red hot" like decay heat always does. With time.

Grammar edit request

There's a rather extended high-comma-count "sentence" with what looks to be a misspelling.

The expected highest body activity was in the first few years, were the unabated ingestion of local food, primarily milk consumption, resulted in the transfer of activity from soil to body, after the dissolution of the USSR, the now reduced scale initiative to monitor the human body activity in these regions of Ukraine, recorded a small and gradual half-decadal-long rise, in internal committed dose, before returning to the previous trend of observing ever lower body counts each year.

minimal-change improvement:

The expected highest body activity was in the first few years, where the unabated ingestion of local food (primarily milk) resulted in the transfer of activity from soil to body. After the dissolution of the USSR, the now reduced scale initiative to monitor the human body activity in these regions of Ukraine recorded a small and gradual half-decadal-long rise in internal committed dose before returning to the previous trend of observing ever lower body counts each year.

length of lead

This has come up before, see..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chernobyl_disaster/Archive_13#Lead_too_long

Dougsim

Famous persons associated with the liquidators of the Chernobyl disaster

Good day to you all and to you personally!!!!!!

So,exactly how it was removed from the article on the English version of the Wikipedia website,but still,I think that it will be interesting to someone,let it be in the discussion of this article-so,well,please,at least in the discussion,don’t delete!!!!!!

This is all taken from the same article,but from the Ukrainian version of the Wikipedia website and translated in the Google Translate Internet service!!!!!!

• Ukrainian poet Yuriy Izdryk worked as a liquidator of the consequences of the Chernobyl disaster since the end of May 1986 year .At least some mention: .
• The father of Wladimir Klitschko ( Boxing ) and Vitali Klitschko ( Boxing and Mayor of Kyiv , Ukraine in 2014 year –present , etc. ,etc.), Klitschko Volodymyr Rodionovych, participated in overcoming the consequences of the Chernobyl disaster.At least some mention:
• The father Oleksandr of the vocalist of the Ukrainian electro-folk band "ONUKA" Nataliya Zhyzhchenko was one of the liquidators of the consequences of the tragedy at the nuclear power plant.At least some mention: .

Nokil83a (talk) 15:12, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

So out of the three people there is one actual notable person, a poet. The other two are fathers of other people. No reason for inclusion. And for a third time, there is no need to link to common words. Or using six exclamation marks!!!!!! soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 19:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2024

Remove entirely: Such psychological distresses can also significantly increase cancer mortality rates, possibly as much as 97%, nearly double,[170] resulting in as many as ~100,000 additional cancer mortalities among the liquidators. From this accident, the fear of radiological illness has been more of a detriment, and potentially more lethal, upon the lives of affected people than the illnesses themselves and, unlike radioactive contaminants, shows no signs of diminishing in the near future.[165]

Reason: The source study finds an *association* between psychological distress and increased cancer mortality *among people with a history of cancer*. This is a correlation and is certainly not causal. Among those with a history of cancer, correlation between stress and mortality is almost certainly a result of the sicker patients being more psychologically stressed. It is no way suggests that that stress causes increased chances of death; in fact, the opposite is surely the reason. "Stress causes a 97% increase in the changes of dying from cancer" does not pass the smell test and is not stated in the source article. The statement "fear of radiological illness has been more of a detriment, and potentially more lethal, upon the lives of affected people than the illnesses themselves" is completely unsupported and is based on quite obviously faulty logical reasoning. Ngibian (talk) 20:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Done - This was clear original research and has been removed. Jamedeus (talk) 07:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Thickness of Test Metals Around the Reactor, ratio per Mass Uranium..

Heat and at 30 gigaWatts....South Korean Nuclear Electric Plant 103.224.94.4 (talk) 04:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

There is currently no source for the assertion that the room was calm when AZ-5 was pressed or that the use of AZ-5 was pre-planned, other than Dyatlov's book.

I [made a change https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chernobyl_disaster&diff=prev&oldid=1219563042] to clarify that the current source - Dyatlov's book - is only an assertion from him about the use of AZ-5. My edit was reverted (actually, it wasn't merely reverted, but the language strengthened despite no new sources added).

If we are only going to use Dyatlov's book, that's fine, but the article needs to reflect that. If there are other sources for these claims, then they need to be added.RadicalHarmony (talk) 01:33, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

OK, little update: I've found this, which seems like a viable secondary source, cites many germane primary sources, and seems to more-or-less support the current language in the article: https://chernobylcritical.blogspot.com/p/part-5-after-explosion.html

So perhaps the change I attempted to make it not needed afterall. RadicalHarmony (talk) 02:12, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

It may be worthwhile to know that the author of chernobylcritical.blogspot.com is Sredmash who will probably be able to address your concerns in this specific matter. Reconrabbit 14:33, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't entirely clear in the original wording what was meant by the shutdown being planned in advance. The fact that shutdown was planned for that shift in particular is stated in so many sources that I don't even remember which one to cite; you would need to pick a few at random and see if you get lucky.

More unclear is whether the shift intended to shut down right at 1:23:04 when rundown began. For this we primarily have Dyatlov's assertion. In an 'original research' kind of way, it has often been pointed out that the test program contains no step for blocking the two-turbine disconnection trip, so following the instructions to the letter would indeed have automatically scrammed the reactor at 1:23:04. But in fact we can add a separate reputable source for Akimov stating that they planned to shut down as rundown began: https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/20285-national-security-archive-doc-01-cc-cpsu (Control-F for "inform" and you should jump right to the relevant passage.)

Eyewitnesses reporting a calm atmosphere preceding the scram include Metlenko, Gazin and others. I agree that we need some citations here. The quotes mostly come from Nikolai Karpan's book, Revenge of the Peaceful Atom. Citing them would be far preferable to using my blog as a source, but I would need to take some time to track down page references, etc.Sredmash (talk) 14:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Crisis management - Evacuation: time discrepancy

The 4th paragraph of section "Crisis management", subsection "Evacuation" contains this sentence:

In the early daylight hours of 27 April, approximately 36 hours after the initial blast (...)

The initial blast occurred at 01:23 AM, therefore 36 hours after the blast would be 01:23 PM, which is certainly not an early daylight hour. 178.143.44.172 (talk) 19:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Good point. That sentence is conflating the order to evacuate with the evacuation itself.02:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sredmash (talk • contribs)