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Leftist propaganda wiki

Because there were few cases of abortion crimes reported, that means "the laws weren't enforced"? One of my proudest moments in life has been receiving a three year Wikipedia ban! I see that you're all the same evil leftists who ban anyone who reminds you of the truth--as if your pathetic article collection, which will die when more sober minded people create alternatives is worth all the horrible evil you do. Jesus Christ is your number one article, despite all of your nonsense myths. (Kudos for not lying on the articles where you don't think it will benefit you in your war against Christians.) Enjoy your leftist mythology wiki!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.35.93 (talk) 14:50, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Orthodox Church

It would be interesting if we could find relevant information about what the Russian Orthodox Church has done to try and reduce the abortion rate. It seems a bit paradoxical that the Russian Church continues to hail Russia as a spiritual beacon for the world while it also has the highest abortion rate in the world.

On a related note, I have found that other Eastern Orthodox countries such a Greece, Bulgaria and Romania have a comparatively high abortion rate. I have also observed that the theology of the Eastern Orthodox Church appears to be entirely focused on a type of adult mysticism that leaves little room for the notion that unborn fetuses can also be graceful recipients of divine love, since love is about the theological knowledge of God, which fetuses cannot have in a purely intellectual sense.

ADM (talk) 06:37, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That seems unfair to the Orthodox Church, ADM. While I agree that it is indeed paradoxical that the Russian Church "continues to hail Russia as a spiritual beacon for the world" while Russia has one of the highest abortion rates in the world, the high abortion rate is in no way the fault of the Russian Orthodox Church, nor of Orthodox Christianity in general. In terms of doctrine, all Orthodox Churches vehemently oppose abortion in any form whatsoever. The allegation of "adult mysticism" being the focus of Orthodox Christianity also makes no sense; like Catholicism, Orthodoxy declares that all people are recipients of divine love, regardless of their age or intellectual capacity, and therefore deserving of life and of protection. In Orthodox Christianity love for God is categorically not about theology in an academic or purely philosophical sense, but about the orientation of the soul towards or away from God, the eternal and ultimate Good. While so-called "intellectual knowledge" may play a part in the soul's movement toward God, so may anything else within creation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.71.71.120 (talk) 18:07, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Time Travel

Prior to the October Revolution of 1917, Russian law considered abortion to be homicide, and it was punishable by a 4 to 5 year jail term with the loss of civil rights. The punishment was reduced to 3 years in 1903.

Am I the only one to whom it doesn't make sense? I didn't know there were time machines at the time... --85.207.108.97 (talk) 13:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics

[...] with a rate of 105.5 abortions per thousand pregnancies, as against 41.5 per thousand in women who did not work.

If the abortion rates of this survey are taken to be representative, then during this time period the number of annual abortions was higher than the number of live births. [...]

If the above figures are true, that would mean, that the average rate is somewhere between 41.5 and 105.5 per thousand pragnancies. This is a contradiction to the next paragraph, which states that the number of abortions is higher than the number of live births, because I am quite sure, that the rate of live births is higher than 105.5 per thousand pregnancies even if the abortion rate is at 105.5 per thousand pregnancies, because normally most pregnancies withpout an aortion end with live births. --MrBurns (talk) 06:54, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Removal of section

I removed the section titled "Proposed ban" because it lists several proposals that have been forwarded throughout the years to restrict/ban abortion; and also much of it is unsourced. If/when the law changes, the article will reflect this, but simply listing all sorts of proposals (both from politicians and the church) is not needed. The fact that abortion is a (relatively) controversial issue and part of the political debate in Russia, and that there are opponents to it being legal, is already discussed in the other section above this one.188.27.184.180 (talk) 21:17, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality + OR around Circus film

I believe the following fragment contains both original research and non-neutral wording:

Not coincidentally, the law collided with a very surprising state-sponsored promotion of Circus...

Where in the given source does it say that the timing of the law had anything to do with the state-sponsored promotion of the film? And why is it appropriate for Wikipedia's voice to pronounce the promotion as "very surprising"? Wikiacc (¶) 00:19, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]