Talk:Abdullah Tal

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Abdullah Tal article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Biography: Military

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the military biography work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Jordan Mid‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Jordan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Jordan on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JordanWikipedia:WikiProject JordanTemplate:WikiProject JordanJordan articles

Mid

This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Tasks YOU can help with:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Palestine Mid‑importance

	Palestine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Wikipedia. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.PalestineWikipedia:WikiProject PalestineTemplate:WikiProject PalestinePalestine-related articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Military history: Biography / Middle East / World War II / Cold War

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	Military biography task force
	Middle Eastern military history task force
	World War II task force
	Cold War task force (c. 1945 – c. 1989)

On 22 December 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Abdullah El Tell. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Untitled

This is most of what I have found. I am very concious that all the sources are unsympathetic to his cause.Padres Hana (talk) 00:19, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am pretty certain that Abdullah el Tell is dead. Padres Hana (talk) 22:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish Quarter

The article quotes him saying to Russnak "If I had know you were so few we would have come after you with sticks, not guns.", with the citation Collins/Lapierre, p. 498, adding "Dov Joseph, p. 174. Though he starts the quote "You dogs..." ". The relevant passage there is "When the Legion troops" saw only forty soldiers and a pitiful collection of weapons, one of them exclaimed, “You dogs! If we had known this, we would have marched in with sticks in our hands!” which though with the same idea doesn't ascribe it to anyone specific, and not necessarily El Tell. Mcljlm (talk) 01:27, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Though the article is entitled Abdullah Tal he is referred to in the first line as Abdullah El Tell and afterwards only as El Tell. That doesn't seem logical. Mcljlm (talk) 01:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 December 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:10, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Abdullah Tal → Abdullah El Tell – While the article has the title Abdullah Tal, all references to this Jordanian military commander in the article refer to Abdullah El Tell (including the info box). Chewings72 (talk) 06:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. echidnaLives - talk - edits 04:11, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. In this case, the problem is not the title but the article body; the article used "Tal" until a user indiscriminately replaced all instances of the string "tal" with "El Tell" in 2020. It's hard to determine exactly what the WP:COMMONNAME is for this figure – Ngrams seems to prefer "Abdullah Tal", whereas Google Scholar suggests either "Abdullah al-Tal" or "Abdullah al-Tall" – but I don't see a strong case for "El Tell". My inclination is to retain the current title unless we hear otherwise from someone well versed in the area. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Al-Tal is the most common usage in sources, for Wasfi Tal, the most prominent member of that family. I chose Tal for brevity, and dropped the redundant Al-. Makeandtoss (talk) 18:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense to me! In that case, Tal is likely the best choice for here too. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 20:16, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: To form a clearer consensus echidnaLives - talk - edits 04:11, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Correct?

Presently, the aticle states:

"He had four brothers. Ahmad Youssef Al Tal, Wasfi Tal, Said Tal & Hasan Tal"

Is this correct? If Wasfi Tal was his brother, then (presumably) Mustafa Wahbi Tal was his father -but I don't get this to fit. Wasfi Tal was supposed to be the eldest son, but Abdullah Tal was older. User:Makeandtoss; do you know? Huldra (talk) 23:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]