Talk:2009 swine flu pandemic in the United States by state

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A New Article Welcome!

I didn't make this article, or even suggest it, but I'm glad it was made. I even edited it for the first time, but, I still have to admit, I kind of miss the old setting. However, you can't stop a pandemic, or even progress, so I have to get used to it. Also, what do you think about the table project I mentioned on the talk page of Talk:2009 flu pandemic in the United States the other day? Will you go for it? Typingwestern015 (talk) 02:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

probably an article like this should exist for Canada and Mexico as well... 76.66.203.200 (talk) 05:39, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i agree.mexico was the place that the outbreak started,so there should be a state-by-state article on the pandemic in mexico,too.Immunize (talk) 18:40, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Still too long

This article is still too long, still over 100k... 76.66.203.200 (talk) 05:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The recommended page size is just that: a recommendation. The best determination of when to split an article will depend on more than just the total page character count, such as prose count (about 44k characters) and editability (generally preferred to be less than 70k total page characters for those with slow internet connections or small computer screens). CB...(ö) 03:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where swine flu is not

Employees per swine flu infection in US counties.
  < 400
  401-800
  801-1600
  1601-3200
  3201-6400
  6401-12800
  12801-25600
  25601-51200
  1 case per >51200 or no cases in counties > 25600 employees

With an approximate county map, it becomes possible to start comparing swine flu cases to the total population in pursuit of fine per capita information. I've begun by taking the ratio between the data behind Swine flu infection exponent by county June 2009.svg and USA 2008 workforce exponent by county.svg to produce the map shown here.

Now, Wikipedia allows some latitude in creating useful figures, but admittedly I may be fairly well afoul of "original research" policies by this point. To all the caveats in the county data, I've added the question of whether employees represent a relevant population measure (it introduces a few percent variation by unemployment, but omits a partially resistant elderly population and possibly counts some non-legal residents). Still, at least for purposes of discussion, this data invites some questions. For example, the swine flu seems underrepresented in the western Carolinas and Ohio. I wonder whether this difference is real, and if so whether it represents random chance, some positive public health action, or an environmental circumstance. Mike Serfas (talk) 07:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you just do a basic swine flu per population study, using the most recent census population estimates. What is with swine-flu per employees anyway. This will make the number seem higher in areas with larger numbers of children (such as Utah) and with large retired populations (Arizona, St. George Utah, Southern Nevada, Florida etc). Besides unemployment rates there is another factor you have not considered. If my friend Sekou who works in wayne County got swine flu and stayed home he would be counted as an Oakland County swine flu victim, but he is a Wayne County employee. There are some counties like Livingston County, Michigan where way more people work outside the county and live there than the other way around, so this factor would also make your employees factor very skewed. Counting all residents makes sense since all residents can have flu. However, the whole idea gets more complexed since various states have different methods of reporting swine flu. What comes to mind the fastest is that Kansas has two or three counties with different current rules for swine flu testing than the rest of the state.Johnpacklambert (talk) 02:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Slow loading with even collapsed templates

I've removed the templates from the top of the article again, because I blame them for poor loading performance. For me, a version using Template:Seealso instead of collapsed tables will load in 3-4 seconds, but the version with collapsed tables requires 38-39 seconds to load on a basic system running Firefox/Vista. (The ratio was roughly 32 to 4 on Internet Explorer) Please compare yourself and see if you agree:

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I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the code can be optimized in some way to avoid the sluggish performance, or that only some computer/OS/browser/memory combinations might suffer this effect, but the table and images really aren't that central to the concept of this page, which is purely as a repository for state-specific information. They just don't seem worth a tenfold difference in load time. Mike Serfas (talk) 02:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that the template is central to what this page represents; I will therefore readd it. 70.29.208.69 (talk) 07:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Loading times can be drastically improved by reducing the size of the article to under 50k 70.29.208.69 (talk) 08:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is true that when you added the table only, it didn't seem to slow loading that much - I was getting between 4 and 7 seconds just now - so for now I'll assume that the image template was responsible for most of the trouble. Splitting the article further is possible, perhaps beginning with an A-M/N-W or A-New Mexico/New York-W split, but the delays I was getting with the old version went beyond what I've seen even for articles over 200k. Mike Serfas (talk) 09:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
When you added the county map to the map template, it slowed that down quite a bit. 70.29.208.69 (talk) 06:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Split

I suggest that the article be split into multiple article like regions of the US States. I'll put template. Parker1297 (talk) 11:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Three states have split section templates on them, since they're the longest, for a long time now... since early July, IIRC. 76.66.192.144 (talk) 10:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you. I plan on splitting them.--Thisisthebestusernameever! (talk) 21:34, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely not. ONE large article is MUCH better than FIFTY small articles. If you think the article is too long, which it is NOT for such a broad article with so many references, then only split the very biggest and remember to use WP:Summary style. Without offense, it is stupid to split off 2009 flu pandemic in Alaska when that section is only two sentences! I will be remerging these stubs unless a better idea is come up with. A person looking for information on the swine flu pandemic in the US wants all the information concisely in one place without having to go to fifty subarticles. Reywas92Talk 01:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Related: please see this Articles for deletion which was originally placed for the Delaware article. [3] Since then, Delaware, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut have been speedily deleted. I would not recommend making more of these small articles, and agree with the user above. The AFD is still continuing for the remaining two articles, North Carolina and Alaska. talkingbirds 00:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I do not mean 50 little articles. I mean articles like "2009 swine flu pandemic in the mid western United States". Parker1297 (talk) 13:05, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why Aren't the Maps Being Updated?

I still don't see any changes in the state maps. Why isn't anyone updating them? I don't know how, and even if I did, how can I gather the information needed? Also, I agree with the regional article idea. Typingwestern015 (talk) 03:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You pose a good question, however this whole article has suffered from less than adequate updates. In most state articles the most recent information is from July, so it is not only the maps that are out of date.Johnpacklambert (talk) 18:30, 2 October 2009 (UTC) This is unacceptable. Wikipedia is supposed to be current.any editor who is knowledgeable on this subject should update this article with current information.thank you.Immunize (talk) 18:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More footnotes needed

I know with well over 400 of these this will seem amazing, however in just the Michigan section there are two statements that call for some sort of reference that are unreferenced. I am guessing other sections are also in need of such references.Johnpacklambert (talk) 15:16, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Maine section needs updating and expanding.

although i have updated the death toll,number of school outbreaks,and hospitalized cases of h1n1 in maine,this article remains in need of expansion.i would like to see an expand template there.24.97.164.250 (talk) 15:16, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed the grammatical errors of the Maine section, and it appears to me that it is significantly longer than most of the other states' articles. Therefore in my personal opinion, I don't think it requires further expansion until pertinent information becomes available, especially since many other states are severely lacking. It has been updated as recently as February 2010. JBRam (talk) 19:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:30, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


2009–2010 flu pandemic in the United States by state → 2009 flu pandemic in the United States by state — User:Immunize moved many 2009 flu pandemic articles into "2009-2010" without a general consensus. This is a well-established article, and the disease started 2009. No reason for naming it 2009-2010. Look for the Spanish flu article.--JL 09 q?c 14:49, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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