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Q1: Why is [Insert event here], an event that is "more important and significant" than all the others that are currently listed, not posted?: A1: Relative article quality along with the mix of topics already listed are often deciding factors in what gets posted. Any given day of the year can have a great many important or significant historical events. The problem is that there is generally only room on the Main Page to list about 5 events at a time, so not everything can be posted.

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Keep in mind that the quality requirements only apply to the selected bolded article, not the other links. Thus, an event may qualify for multiple dates in a year if there is an article written in a summary style and an article providing detailed content; if one of those pages have cleanup issues, the other page can be bolded as an alternate.

Another criterion is to maintain some variety of topics, and not exhibit, just for example, tech-centrism, or the belief that the world stops at the edge of the English-speaking world. Many days have a large pool of potential articles, so they will rotate in and out every year to give each one some Main Page exposure. In addition, an event is not posted if it is also the subject of this year's scheduled featured article or featured picture.

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1687 - Isaac Newton's volume no. 1 of his Principia Mathematica is published for the first time.

2012 notes

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Battle of Osan (was TFA last year)
Omitted: Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica (ineligible—maintenance); Spam; Bikini; The Late Late Show; Indonesian presidential election, 2004; July 2009 Ürümqi riots
Included: Olive Branch Petition (first appearance); BBC News (first appearance); Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (4th appearance, last in 2006; rescued from Ineligible); Black Tigers (first appearance); Oliver North (3rd appearance, last in 2005)

—howcheng {chat} 21:06, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 notes

Omitted: Olive Branch Petition (ineligible—maintenance); BBC News; Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq; Black Tigers (ineligible—maintenance); Oliver North
Included: Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica (8th appearance, last in 2011); Spam (4th appearance, last in 2011); Battle of Osan (first appearance); 2006 North Korean missile test (2nd appearance, last in 2010); July 2009 Ürümqi riots (2nd appearance, last in 2011)

—howcheng {chat} 06:49, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2014 notes

Moved to Ineligible: BBC News (date not verified)
New articles (unused): Talyllyn Railway (also appears on May 14); The Shard
Omitted: Battle of Osan; 2006 North Korean missile test; July 2009 Ürümqi riots
Included: Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (5th appearance, last in 2012); Oliver North (4th anniversary, last in 2012; 25th anniversary); Indonesian presidential election, 2004 (6th appearance, last in 2011; 10th anniversary)
Repeats: Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica (2nd consecutive appearance, 9 total); Spam (food) (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

—howcheng {chat} 08:08, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Although the claim that the Talyllyn was the first Narrow Gauge railway in Britain to carry passengers is sourced in the article, I'd like to confirm exactly what the sources say for that as the Ffestiniog Railway probably has a better claim. I've therefore removed it for this year, and when I get a chance to look at the references (not for a couple of weeks) I'll update the hook in time for next year's 150th anniversary. Optimist on the run (talk) 22:32, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2015 notes

Moved to Ineligible: The Late Late Show (maintenance)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Staffordshire Hoard
Omitted: Venezuela (ineligible—maintenance); Spam (food) (ineligible—maintenance); Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq; Oliver North; Indonesian presidential election, 2004
Included: Talyllyn Railway (2nd appearance, last in 2011; 150th anniversary); Bikini (4th appearance, last in 2011); Björn Borg (first appearance); July 2009 Ürümqi riots (3rd appearance, last in 2013)
Repeats: Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica (3rd consecutive appearance; 10 total)

—howcheng {chat} 07:36, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016 notes

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Law of Return
Moved to Ineligible: Oliver North (maintenance)
Omitted: Saints Cyril and Methodius (ineligible—maintenance); Björn Borg; July 2009 Ürümqi riots; Talyllyn Railway (pulled for space reasons)
Included: Venezuela (rescued from Ineligible); Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (6th appearance, last in 2014); 2006 North Korean missile test (3rd appearance, last in 2013; 10th anniversary)
Repeats: Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica (4th consecutive appearance, 11 total); Bikini (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total; 70th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 07:19, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2017 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Law of Return (maintenance); Björn Borg (maintenance)
Omitted: Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica; Bikini; 2006 North Korean missile test
Included: Olive Branch Petition (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Talyllyn Railway (3rd appearance, last in 2015); Battle of Osan (2nd appearance, last in 2013); Indonesian presidential election, 2004 (7th appearance, last in 2014); Nicéphore Niépce (first appearance); Sophie Wyss (first appearance); Megan Rapinoe (first appearance)
Repeats: Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (2nd consecutive appearance, 7 total)

—howcheng {chat} 19:03, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2018 notes

Omitted: Talyllyn Railway; Battle of Osan; Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (ineligible—maintenance); Indonesian presidential election, 2004; Nicéphore Niépce; Sophie Wyss; Megan Rapinoe
Included: Campaign of Danture (3rd appearance, last in 2017; normally appears on October 9); Spam (food) (6th appearance, last in 2014; rescued from Ineligible); National Health Service (first appearance; 70th anniversary); The Shard (2nd appearance, last in 2018; also appeared on February 1 – should be deleted from this page because there are a lot of 21st century events already); Sarah Siddons (first appearance); W. T. Stead (first appearance); Albrecht Kossel (first appearance)
Repeats: Olive Branch Petition (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 16:37, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2019 notes

Omitted: Olive Branch Petition; Spam (food); National Health Service; The Shard (ineligible—maintenance); Sarah Siddons; W. T. Stead; Albrecht Kossel
Included: Talyllyn Railway (4th appearance, last in 2017); 1934 West Coast waterfront strike (first appearance); The Stones in the Park (first appearance; 50th anniversary); July 2009 Ürümqi riots (4th appearance, last in 2015; 10th anniversary); Nicéphore Niépce (2nd appearance, last in 2017); John Curtin (first appearance); Megan Rapinoe (2nd appearance, last in 2017)
Repeats: Campaign of Danture (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total; this should be deleted next year)

—howcheng {chat} 20:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2020 notes

Deleted: The Late Late Show (Irish talk show) (appears on July 6)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Oliver North
New articles (unused): Battle of Cape St. Vincent (1833)
Omitted: Talyllyn Railway; 1934 West Coast waterfront strike; The Stones in the Park; July 2009 Ürümqi riots; Nicéphore Niépce; Megan Rapinoe (ineligible—maintenance)
Included: Olive Branch Petition (4th appearance, last in 2018); Thomas Cook (first appearance); Battle of Osan (3rd appearance, last in 2017; 70th anniversary); Joan of the Tower (first appearance); Sylvester Graham (first appearance)
Repeats: Campaign of Danture (3rd consecutive appearance, 5 total; apparently I didn't see my note about how this should have been deleted); John Curtin (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 75th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 18:35, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2021 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Battle of Cape St. Vincent (1833) (maintenance)
Omitted: Campaign of Danture (deleted per above); Olive Branch Petition; Battle of Osan; Sylvester Graham; John Curtin
Included: Battle of Chippawa (first appearance); Bikini (6th appearance, last in 2016; 75th anniversary); That's All Right (first appearance); 2006 North Korean missile test (4th appearance, last in 2016); Wanda Landowska (first appearance); Porfirio Rubirosa (first appearance)
Repeats: Thomas Cook (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Joan of the Tower (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 700th birthday)

—howcheng {chat} 07:27, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2022

I've added the new article Fifth of July (New York) on a historic African American celebration, if that might be approproate. Pharos (talk) 23:49, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, where are these entries discussed before being posted? Or does howcheng unilaterally decide? I have some complaints to make about the writing of today's events, and some complaints about item selection in general lately. @Pharos, seems appropriate to me, thank you for adding! QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 14:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 notes

New articles (unused): 1973 Rwandan coup d'état
Omitted: Battle of Chippawa; Bikini; That's All Right; 2006 North Korean missile test; Joan of the Tower; Wanda Landowska; Porfirio Rubirosa
Included: Fifth of July (New York) (first appearance); What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July? (first appearance); Spam (food) (7th appearance, last in 2018); Battle of Osan (4th appearance, last in 2020); The Shard (3rd appearance, last in 2018, 3 total; 40th anniversary; rescued from Ineligible); Nicéphore Niépce (3rd appearance, last in 2019); Sophie Wyss (2nd appearance, last in 2017; 125th birthday); Kenneth Lay (first appearance)
Repeats: Thomas Cook (3rd consecutive appearance; 3 total)

Suggestion

Hello,

I'd like to suggest this article to appear on 5 July: Copacabana Fort revolt.

I'm not sure if this is the right place to suggest it, but I think the article meets all the criteria. Torimem (talk) 01:10, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please be WP:BOLD and add it yourself! If anything is concerning about the entry, one of the regular SA contributors will check in on it. The article looks good to be featured on OTD. Heart ^(talk) 05:11, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But where exactly do I include it? Is it on the list at the bottom of the page? Torimem (talk) 11:24, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]