Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Panzer 88

WP:DP, WP:ATD, and WP:Drafts

To User:Mr rnddude: WP:DEL8 is part of WP:Deletion policy, and WP:DEL8 should be read in the context that includes the policy WP:ATD.  Regarding WP:ATA, this is an essay, not the policy WP:ATD.

Further, Note 2 at Wikipedia:Drafts states,

"It was determined that the community consensus in this RfC regarding the applicability of Wikipedia:Notability to drafts in the userspace or draftspace amounted to "notability guidelines do not apply to userspace and draftspace drafts".

Unscintillating (talk) 00:42, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

That wording is not accurately reflective of actual practice or precedent. It needs to be replaced. Ping User:Ivanvector Legacypac (talk) 02:00, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) WP:ATD is a "widely accepted standard that all editors should normally follow.  Unscintillating (talk) 13:35, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

• I think that the RfC answered the wrong question. Of course drafts are not subject to the same notability standards that articles are. They should however, in my opinion, be deleted if they are stale/abandoned and don't meet or have no chance of meeting notability. This is the case with Panzer88. The draft neither met any notability guideline, that would subject it to movement into mainspace rather than deletion, nor was it actively (or even inactively) under construction. That particular draft was a) stale, b) non-notable and c) incapable of becoming notable. I think that's a reasonable reason to delete the draft. Besides, if the movie was ever released and was notable, I'd say it's far more likely that somebody would just create the article in mainspace without bothering to look around to see if anyone had a draft article set up that had been abandoned. Mr rnddude (talk) 03:48, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

• Hey folks, I copied this discussion to Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion. This is obviously a broader issue than should be discussed on the talk page of a deletion discussion for one obscure draft. Cheers. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:27, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) The point remains that WP:DEL8 is not a deletion argument for this particular topic given the WP:ATD, even before beginning discussion of WP:Drafts; and your response doesn't discuss WP:ATD.  Unscintillating (talk) 13:35, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) "Stale" is something that happens to bread.  This article is not damaged.  Unscintillating (talk) 13:35, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) The point you make that mainspace is not marked and the work in draftspace can be overlooked is not just a theoretical problem.  As an argument for deletion, it is a backwards argument that we should delete drafts solely to prevent their being used to improve the encyclopedia.  Unscintillating (talk) 13:35, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) I have written recently a proposal at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals), to better connect mainspace and draftapsce, a proposal that states,

  Here is a new proposal: Adding Category:Wikipedia draftspace to a redirect, soft or hard, in mainspace moves the edit history to draftspace, and no further edits are allowed until the draft article is moved back to mainspace.  A common redirect is {{soft redirect|Wikipedia draftspace}}.  Then we'd need to write the article at Wikipedia draftspace to attract new editors and explain how to locate articles in draftspace.  Unscintillating (talk) 19:43, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

  Unscintillating (talk) 13:35, 16 September 2017 (UTC)