Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2010/Candidates/David Fuchs

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David Fuchs

This is the talk page for discussing a candidate for election to the Arbitration Committee.


Block log

A look at this candidate's admin blocks [1] shows that in the last 2 years he has blocked a small handful of IPs/vandalism only accounts but the one time he tried to stray outside of this simple vandal blocking he blocked both Roux and Malleus with a fairly silly 1 hour block. If this had been one isolated incident amongst other good intelligent blocks then that would be fine but it was his one attempt to sort out a dispute using his admin tools. I think this indicates a candidate unsuitable for the complexity of arb decisions. Both lacking in experience and good judgement. Surely potential arbs should have a better track record than this. Polargeo (talk) 17:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that most good dispute resolution doesn't result in blocks, so why you would expect to see a good arb wielding the tools like a barbarian with a cudgel is problematic to me. Roux and Malleus were engaged in tendentious and disruptive editing and unwilling to disengage, continuing to drag personal disputes into other areas. The block was entirely warranted as a preventative measure. Your mileage may vary. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you that good dispute resolution rarely requires blocks. However, I am extremely unimpressed with your single attempt at dispute resolution using blocks. At arbcom you will get much much worse bickering than the couple of very minor quibbles between the very experienced users who you blocked. Will you rush for the double block every time? That is not the sort of arb action I would like to see. Polargeo (talk) 11:44, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose I am trying to find better instances of your diplomatic action in dispute resolution so I looked at your ANI contributions. A quick scan just came up with this recent incident and a lot of very old bickering from 2-3 years ago. I haven't really seen anything encouraging that would say yes arb material. Polargeo (talk) 12:16, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If I don't impress you, I don't impress you. A double block was warranted in the above case because if only one were blocked, the other was going to continue their posturing behavior—they both had to be taken off the table. I don't imagine ArbCom would have any remedy similar to that, because by the time the arbitration case has ground its gears there's not going to be any need for such a preventative block unless the editors really went off the deep end. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 14:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary. You will be dealing with this sort of thing day in day out. This answer displays your naivety with regard to arbcom. Which is also displayed in your contributions. Polargeo (talk) 14:49, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And that's your opinion, which frankly I hold in no high regard. If you feel my record is poor, more power to you, but I believe I am finished at this venue; there's nothing constructive left to be said. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 14:57, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is my opinion based on a review of your contributions. I have absolutely no personal axe to grind on this. I think your response to me here highlights the issue of my concerns regarding your dispute resolution ability. Polargeo (talk) 16:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Seems David Fuchs was pretty patient with you, considering you created your account today and have already been warned for vandalism. The most productive thing you can do now is disengage. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Polargeo has been here since January 2009, and has even been an administrator. And the "vandalism" wasn't actually vandalism; see User talk:Waterfox#please chill. Reach Out to the Truth 18:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This exchange strengthened my support for DF. ++Lar: t/c 19:57, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your foe is my friend :) hey Lar? I'd like to get this straight I have no problems or past history regarding DF whatsoever. I was just surprised by what I saw as both a significant weakness and lack of evidence of his dispute resolution ability, because we are looking for arbs whose main function is to rule on disputes I thought that this was a real problem worth highlighting. I wasn't expecting to be attacked for it. Not least of which from DF himself who responded to this thread by trying to smear me [2]. On second thoughts that is exactly the sort of political tactic that could get David Fuchs a long way. Dismiss other editors' opinions based on unrelated events that you have no knowledge of so that you don't have to deal with those editors seriously. Polargeo (talk) 07:04, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's just that he handled your repeated badgering rather diplomatically, all things considered. Which is a good characteristic. You could learn from it. So could I. But especially you. ++Lar: t/c 02:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Lar and David Fuchs. Polargeo can vote as he/she likes but there is no point pressing one issue over and over again. DF may have limited experience in dispute resolution but he is one of Wikipedia's most prolific contributers, and that counts for something, in my book. - BorisG (talk) 15:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually he disenfranchised himself by serially scuttling and creating accounts; someone should salt User:Polargeo 4 to end this silliness. Jack Merridew 02:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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