User talk:Throughthemind
Robert was his first name. There is another American Robert E. O'Callaghan around the same time who authored [1] "How Monopoly Can be Prevented: A New, Simple, and Practical Plan" in 1890. This was definitely a separate individual. His address was listed as 1133 Park Avenue, New York. If you run a search on "Catholic Humane League", O'Callaghan's address in 1900 was listed as 17A , Mandalay Road, Clapham Common. A scan for UK obituaries in newspaper reveals no hits. He was lecturing up until 1914, I can't find any mention of him in the 1920s. Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:06, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- O'Callaghan also authored The Testimony of Science Against Flesh Eating this was a pamphlet for the Order of the Golden Age, I see it went through 4 editions up until 1897. I doubt any copies have survived many booklets like this are sadly lost. Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! I've updated the article with those details. I'm struggling to find any other information about him unfortunately. Throughthemind (talk) 20:22, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- I managed to find some more information about him. His full name was Robert Elliott O'Callaghan. I've updated the article with the new details Throughthemind (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have have had an extensive look at Gregory's list of British vegetarians [2]. We have covered nearly all of the names and created articles for the notable vegetarians, unfortunately the majority would not qualify for an article. The ones I found remaining that need an article are James Simpson (1812-1859) a former President of the Vegetarian Society and Robert Stretton Wilson, a veterinary surgeon [3]. There is no rush to create them but I will do it by the end of the year. Psychologist Guy (talk) 00:49, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- I managed to find some more information about him. His full name was Robert Elliott O'Callaghan. I've updated the article with the new details Throughthemind (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! I've updated the article with those details. I'm struggling to find any other information about him unfortunately. Throughthemind (talk) 20:22, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
National Council for Animals' Welfare
A group that existed but didn't get much recognition was the National Council for Animals' Welfare founded by Gertrude Baillie-Weaver. Edith Holden did illustrations for its magazine. The magazine they published was The Animal's Friend edited by Sidney G. Trist (the 1896-1897 volumes are online [4]).
Sidney G. Trist would probably qualify for an article but I can't find a birth date. If you have any spare time you might be able to find some information. Psychologist Guy (talk) 02:03, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I've had a look on Ancestry and there's a few different Sidney G. Trists:
- Sidney G Trist (abt 1865 – Oct 1918 Wandsworth, London, England)
- Sidney G Trist (abt 1869 – Jan 1949 Fulham, London, England)
- Sidney G Trist (abt 1870 Targuay, Devon, England)
- Not sure which one it is Throughthemind (talk) 10:21, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Psychologist Guy I made a start on the article here: Sidney Trist Throughthemind (talk) 17:09, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nice job, thanks for creating the article. I have sent some emails out about his birth-date, hopefully a historian can find it. I have checked British newspapers, the last mention I could find was 22 February 1930 for Trist doing a lecture on animal protection. So we know he was alive in 1930, but I can't find anything beyond this date. Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nice, I've found some more information about him in this source (page 246); he was a signer of a petition against vivisection. His middle name was George and he was a member of the Institute of Journalists (the address in the source matches that of the anti-vivisection organisation, the Victoria Street Society here). This journalist biography database has an entry for Sidney George Trist, but annoyingly you have to pay to access it; if you search the surname Trist in the database, it says the entry has a date of birth. This source describes him as a Devonian, so he was from Devon. Throughthemind (talk) 00:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- I've found a 1911 census record on Ancestry that says he was born in Torquay, Devon around 1866 (he was 45 when the census was taken). Throughthemind (talk) 00:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- That is useful information that you have found, good research. I suspect that he died in the 1930s because all newspaper coverage of him stopped. There is a source here I found that includes some personal information about his personality [5], described as a very busy man with a good sense of humour (I noticed you found the full version of that). He managed to get a reply published in The Lancet journal [6], not sure if this is worth including because his reply was only short [7]. Based on what I have read Trist was a very generous who had serious dedication to helping animals. I am surprised other vegetarian historians have not done research into him. The only other modern source I have seen mention him very briefly is [8]. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Another book edited by Trist [9]. This book does exist, just extremely rare. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the links. I've added the book to the article. Regarding his death date, I've narrowed it down to 1918 based on this source. It seems to be correct because Trist appears in the 1911 census, but doesn't appear in the 1921 census. The last newspaper article that mentions him is 1917. I think I found the 1930s article you mentioned and it's actually snippets from 1905 reprinted. Also, the death record is in Wandsworth, which is where he married his wife and where he was located in the 1911 census. Throughthemind (talk) 02:31, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nice work, that is sad that he died at the young age of 53. I will have a look for a photo. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- It is sad, yeah. There's a mention of a photo here (image number COS:2013.1.1325), but you have to pay to get a scanned copy unfortunately. Throughthemind (talk) 19:34, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, I have paid for the image. The source is Anti-Vivisection Garden Party. The Oxford Journal Illustrated (June 14, 1911). p. 8. I have uploaded the image so you can see it [10]. Unfortunately the image is very old and in bad condition. Unless it can be restored with some lighting, it might not be worthwhile to upload it. I am not good at this sort of thing but you may know someone who could help. Psychologist Guy (talk) 22:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing that. The low quality is unfortunate. I've uploaded it to Wikimedia here after boosting the brightness, but the quality is still so low that it's hard to tell which one is Sidney Trist. It's possibly the man standing in the middle, but I'm not sure. Throughthemind (talk) 15:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. I have gone over this by inverting the image to see the faces. There are 6 people in the photograph in total. Trist is the 4th person from left to right, so he is definitely the man standing. It's a shame about the quality but I believe it is worth uploading to the article. The age also looks correct as he would have been 46 in the photograph whilst you can see the other guys are older. Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- That makes sense. I've added it to the article. Thanks again. Throughthemind (talk) 19:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. I have gone over this by inverting the image to see the faces. There are 6 people in the photograph in total. Trist is the 4th person from left to right, so he is definitely the man standing. It's a shame about the quality but I believe it is worth uploading to the article. The age also looks correct as he would have been 46 in the photograph whilst you can see the other guys are older. Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing that. The low quality is unfortunate. I've uploaded it to Wikimedia here after boosting the brightness, but the quality is still so low that it's hard to tell which one is Sidney Trist. It's possibly the man standing in the middle, but I'm not sure. Throughthemind (talk) 15:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, I have paid for the image. The source is Anti-Vivisection Garden Party. The Oxford Journal Illustrated (June 14, 1911). p. 8. I have uploaded the image so you can see it [10]. Unfortunately the image is very old and in bad condition. Unless it can be restored with some lighting, it might not be worthwhile to upload it. I am not good at this sort of thing but you may know someone who could help. Psychologist Guy (talk) 22:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- It is sad, yeah. There's a mention of a photo here (image number COS:2013.1.1325), but you have to pay to get a scanned copy unfortunately. Throughthemind (talk) 19:34, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nice work, that is sad that he died at the young age of 53. I will have a look for a photo. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the links. I've added the book to the article. Regarding his death date, I've narrowed it down to 1918 based on this source. It seems to be correct because Trist appears in the 1911 census, but doesn't appear in the 1921 census. The last newspaper article that mentions him is 1917. I think I found the 1930s article you mentioned and it's actually snippets from 1905 reprinted. Also, the death record is in Wandsworth, which is where he married his wife and where he was located in the 1911 census. Throughthemind (talk) 02:31, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Another book edited by Trist [9]. This book does exist, just extremely rare. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- That is useful information that you have found, good research. I suspect that he died in the 1930s because all newspaper coverage of him stopped. There is a source here I found that includes some personal information about his personality [5], described as a very busy man with a good sense of humour (I noticed you found the full version of that). He managed to get a reply published in The Lancet journal [6], not sure if this is worth including because his reply was only short [7]. Based on what I have read Trist was a very generous who had serious dedication to helping animals. I am surprised other vegetarian historians have not done research into him. The only other modern source I have seen mention him very briefly is [8]. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- I've found a 1911 census record on Ancestry that says he was born in Torquay, Devon around 1866 (he was 45 when the census was taken). Throughthemind (talk) 00:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nice, I've found some more information about him in this source (page 246); he was a signer of a petition against vivisection. His middle name was George and he was a member of the Institute of Journalists (the address in the source matches that of the anti-vivisection organisation, the Victoria Street Society here). This journalist biography database has an entry for Sidney George Trist, but annoyingly you have to pay to access it; if you search the surname Trist in the database, it says the entry has a date of birth. This source describes him as a Devonian, so he was from Devon. Throughthemind (talk) 00:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nice job, thanks for creating the article. I have sent some emails out about his birth-date, hopefully a historian can find it. I have checked British newspapers, the last mention I could find was 22 February 1930 for Trist doing a lecture on animal protection. So we know he was alive in 1930, but I can't find anything beyond this date. Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Psychologist Guy I made a start on the article here: Sidney Trist Throughthemind (talk) 17:09, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
People for Animals
I noticed this organization People for Animals is included in the animal rights template. I am not convinced this is a rights organization. The International Animal Rescue also looks like a welfare organization. I think some of these organizations have been confused in the past. Do you think the People for Animals should be removed from the rights template? Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- From reading the article and their website, it does sound like they have an animal welfare focus, rather than on animal rights. I'd say remove it. Throughthemind (talk) 21:44, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I have put in a few hours trying to fix this issue on Wikipedia. A tough one is The Humane League, the website looks like fully animal rights but the Wikipedia article has references that are based on animal welfare. It's not always clear cut. Psychologist Guy (talk) 23:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah that one is tricky. I'd say it's an organization with animal rights intentions, but carried out through improving animal welfare improvements, so it's tricky to categorise. Throughthemind (talk) 11:11, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have managed to fix most of this type of issue. However, the remaining ones I am not sure about are Animal Legal Defense Fund, this looks like animal welfare to me. Voice for Animals Humane Society supports veganism on their home-page but the general set-up looks like animal welfare. In Defense of Animals supports both rights and welfare. Apart from these, all the others have been sorted out. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:33, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah that one is tricky. I'd say it's an organization with animal rights intentions, but carried out through improving animal welfare improvements, so it's tricky to categorise. Throughthemind (talk) 11:11, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I have put in a few hours trying to fix this issue on Wikipedia. A tough one is The Humane League, the website looks like fully animal rights but the Wikipedia article has references that are based on animal welfare. It's not always clear cut. Psychologist Guy (talk) 23:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Do you have any ideas about Wayne Pacelle in regard to rights or welfare, it looks to me that he is trying to improve animal welfare laws. He founded Animal Wellness Action [11]. We need to update his article with the correct information. Psychologist Guy (talk) 12:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Based on this "When Wayne Pacelle took over, it ceased being an animal welfare group and suddenly became an animal rights group." it sounds like he is an animal rights activist, but focusing on shifting the focus of welfare groups to achieve this. Throughthemind (talk) 16:48, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- I've reworded the lede to say: "Wayne Pacelle (born August 4, 1965) is an American animal rights and animal welfare activist", to cover both. Throughthemind (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Gordon Latto and Douglas Latto
I was looking into Gordon Latto (doctor). There is another Dr Douglas Latto mentioned in vegetarian and vegan literature [12] , [13], According to this they both attended the same high school [14] with another Conrad Latto. Any ideas about this? I see, I just found this, they were brothers [15]. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:43, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Douglas Latto might qualify for an article. Conrad Latto might also qualify [16]. I will look into it further. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:46, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nice, I've just made a few basic edits to Gordon Latto's page. Throughthemind (talk) 10:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is a good source on Conrad Latto. Throughthemind (talk) 12:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that is a good source, Gordon Latto would qualify for an article easily because of his medical background. Recently I was also looking into the Vegan Society. Eva Batt (1908–1989), Kathleen Jannaway (1915-2003) and Mabel Cluer would all qualify [17], [18], [19]. I will try and get some of them done by April. Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is a good source on Conrad Latto. Throughthemind (talk) 12:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nice, I've just made a few basic edits to Gordon Latto's page. Throughthemind (talk) 10:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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Adding short descriptions
I see that you added a short description to The New Folk Sound of Terry Callier, but one is already generated by {{Infobox album}}. Why did you manually add a different one than what is already automatically created? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Apolgies, I didn't know that it autogenerated them. Feel free to remove it. Throughthemind (talk) 19:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a problem and you didn't break a rule or anything. In fact, if anything, it's a problem that you didn't know that there was a short description (i.e. it needs to be more obvious: you didn't do anything wrong). Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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John Woolman
John Woolman was probably not a vegetarian, you might be interested in this discussion [20]. I know that the The Routledge History of Food describes him as a vegetarian but it is likely to be a mistake. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)