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Random Query

Hi Sdkb, I'm looking at getting more involved in non-content creation matters that need more editor attention. Not as a substitute to content creation, but as an addendum. I'm already considering going through AFD more, since I recently saw on the village pump they are in dire need of more attention.

Do you know of any forums or areas which frequently have editor shortages? Aza24 (talk) 08:46, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Aza24; happy to hear you're looking to get more involved! There are a bunch of backlogs listed at WP:Tasks, a page I helped with a little. Responding to COI edit requests is one that's perpetually backlogged, which is bad because when COI editors have to wait months for their request to be reviewed, it encourages them to just do UPE. Working in that area requires a strong understanding of neutrality, since you need to judge whether the proposed edits are promotional or not. New Page Patrol (and the related task of reviewing Articles for Creation submissions) also always need help (see the thread just above for NPP), since there's a flood of new content, and the wheat needs to be sorted from the chaff there. I'm not as familiar with AFD (I participate sometimes but don't hang out there as a regular), but from the thread you alluded to it seems they could use the help.
Ultimately, though, I think the core of your question is "how can I have the most impact?", and I find that going through backlogs isn't always the answer. That work is super important, but I often find that the most I can do is hold back the tide a little, which doesn't lead to any permanent impact. The most fulfilling work I've done is the stuff that helps prevent the backlogs from forming in the first place. So e.g. rather than just answering the backlog of questions at the Teahouse, I try to figure out what made the editor confused enough to need to seek out help in the first place, and then I try to improve guidance so that the next editor (and the next, and the next, ad infinitum) is able to figure it out on their own. So what I'd really suggest is starting out with a backlog, but then, once you've familiarized yourself with the area, zooming out to a systems lens and trying to figure out how to make it better.
Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 19:15, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
All very helpful... a lot to think on, that's for sure :) Aza24 (talk) 22:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Fillip Yhmaart (10:38, 5 July 2023)

Slowjamastan just became a country in 2021 and i wanted to make a wikipedia article about it but when i typed "Flag Of Slowjamastan.svg", it didnt work, can you tell me why? --Fillip Yhmaart (talk) 10:38, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Fillip Yhmaart! There's a draft article for that topic, Draft:Slowjamastan, so I would contribute your improvements there. References will be very important; [1] and [2] look like a start. Regarding an image of the flag, that needs to be uploaded separately. Go to Wikipedia:File upload wizard and choose the local upload option given that the flag is presumably copyrighted and will need to be used under fair use. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 18:44, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I am starting to get irked

By this behavior. BD2412 T 14:26, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah. Rather surprised they made it to 50k edits with a clean block log behaving as they are. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 15:35, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
I was thinking of taking this to ANI, but the matter seems to have cooled. BD2412 T 15:04, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Have you thought about...

Wondering if you (or anyone else you've seen) has thought about this. With TOC's gone from the main text in the vast majority of reader's screens, top article formatting has been drastically changed for thousands of articles. That is, I see tons of articles where an infobox or sidebar now pushes images in the earliest sections far below where they should be. US Presidents are having this problem everywhere. Any thoughts?

I'm considered starting a proposal to cut signatures and seals from president sidebars (i.e. in {{Joe Biden series}}, {{Andrew Jackson series}} etc.). Although I see those two don't even have the sidebars and Andrew Jackson still faces problems (the infobox makes a childhood picture go out of the childhood section. Aza24 (talk) 17:09, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Aza24! Yes, that was definitely something I brought up early on with the ToC change in New Vector, and it was raised again by others here (among other places). Having a persistent table of contents is nice, so I see why the Desktop Improvements Team did what they did, but it has certainly created an issue for us. I think part of the solution may have to be loosening up some rules around MOS:SANDWICH, possibly creating an exemption for ones caused by the infobox. They're never ideal, but when we have to choose between e.g. having an illustrated history section with a sandwich and having an unillustrated section without a sandwich, I think readers are better served by the former. I'd like to see the wording at MOS:SANDWICH changed (addition in bold) to How­ever, when possible a­void sand­wich­ing text and might propose that at some point.
For sidebars, the signatures and seals are certainly less important elements that could go. But that's really just a small part of a larger issue. Having two different types of navigation templates (navboxes at the bottom and sidebars at the top) with no clear guidance on how to choose between them has never made much sense to me. The increasing usage of infoboxes and reduced space in the lead in New Vector really means that there is no room for sidebars in most articles where they would go. If we were building Wikipedia from scratch at this point, I think there would be no sidebars, just navboxes. Phasing them out given their long history here would be difficult, but my hope is that we'll eventually do it. I'd be interested to see (and would be happy to help with) discussion or proposal on that. A proposal would definitely need to be gradual to have any shot at passing (and even then probably wouldn't on the first attempt), but it'd at least get people talking about the issue and lay the groundwork for future efforts.
Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 18:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
It seems to be a growing trend for more and more sidebars to have pre-collapsed sections. This was finally done on {{History of China}}, after many years of issues with its size.
I agree that sidebars can seem often entirely redundant. Actually though, my view on them has shifted somewhat recently. I realized that they often work well for large topics with no clear/distinct lead image, in the Philosophy article for instance. Once I also realized that they not need be included in every article they link to (a perspective few sidebar creators probably disagree with, unfortunately), they also seemed more fitting. Confucius, for instance, is included in {{Philosophy sidebar}}, but the sidebar has no real need to appear in his article Aza24 (talk) 04:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Hmm, yeah, that makes sense as a structured way to think about which articles should have sidebars vs. navboxes. If that could be codified and applied, that'd make me feel slightly better about the redundancy. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Growth team newsletter #27

Welcome to the twenty-seventh newsletter from the Growth team! Help with translations

Annual plan for Growth

We shared our annual plan, for the period July 2023 - June 2024.

Our first project of the year will be Community configuration 2.0, which helps editors with extended rights transparently and easily configure important on-wiki functionality.

After we finish work on Community configuration 2.0, we will hope to fit in one of the following projects:

  • Article creation: This project aims to provide new editors with better guidance and guardrails in the article creation process, with the intention of lightening the load of new page reviewers.
  • Non-editing participation: This project aims to create low-risk ways for readers to participate in Wikipedia with the intention of funneling more readers into contributing to the Wikimedia movement.

Please let us know what you think about these projects on the related talk page, or Growth's annual plan talk page.

Suggested edits

The new "Add an image" section-level task

We released a new Section-level “add an image” structured task to Growth pilot wikis (Arabic, Bengali, Czech, and Spanish). This task was part of the Structured Data Across Wikipedia project. We are monitoring the edits made, and we look for community feedback as well.

Suggested Edits are now receiving topic predictions via the new Language-Agnostic Topic Classification. This change affects non-English Wikipedia wikis. It will ensure newcomers receive a greater diversity of task recommendations. Before, as this feature was a test, English Wikipedia was used to select topics. The change is gradual as lists of topics are refreshed when they become empty. The Research team will evaluate the impact in a few months. [3]

Starting on August 1, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link": Georgian Wikipedia, Kara-Kalpak Wikipedia, Kabyle Wikipedia, Kabardian Wikipedia, Kabiyè Wikipedia, Kikuyu Wikipedia, Kazakh Wikipedia, Khmer Wikipedia, Kannada Wikipedia, Kashmiri Wikipedia, Colognian Wikipedia, Kurdish Wikipedia, Cornish Wikipedia, Cornish Wikipedia.

Mentorship

The Growth team provides dedicated features to establish a mentorship program for newcomers. Every newcomer gets a volunteer mentor who provides encouragement and answers questions. Communities can set up or join this mentorship system by visiting Special:ManageMentors. This mentorship system is configurable by the community at Special:EditGrowthConfig.

More communities have implemented mentorship. A Wikimedia Foundation data scientist will be looking at the impact of Mentorship. We will look at the impact on Spanish and English Wikipedia. [4]

The Growth team will also host a Mentoring new editors on Wikipedia session at Wikimania 2023 in Singapore. Workshop attendees will help brainstorm improvements to Growth’s mentorship features.

Positive reinforcement

We will share more complete experiment analysis for all the three parts of the Positive reinforcement project soon. At the moment, the new Impact module, Leveling up, and Personalized praise are still being A/B tested on the Growth team's pilot wikis.

In the meantime, initial leading indicators for the Personalized praise project have been published. Although this is still a relatively small sample, results seem healthy. They show that Mentors are indeed receiving notifications and clicking through to view their praise-worthy mentees.

Growth contributes to IP Editing migration

The Growth team is currently focusing on IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation. It is a project that touches many different Wikimedia Foundation teams. The Growth team will focus on temporary accounts through two main points:

  • the user experience of a logged-out user, that switches to a temporary account,
  • change Growth-owned extensions and features, so that they work as expected with temporary accounts. [5]

Community Configuration 2.0

We are still in the early planning stage of the Community Configuration 2.0 project:

  • We are gathering internal Wikimedia Foundation teams' needs, so as community feedback. [6]
  • We have started to investigate design improvements. [7]
  • We are also reviewing similar tools that are part of other products. [8]

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Trizek (WMF), this is the first I'm hearing of "temporary accounts," and I'm rather concerned that their presence might discourage editors from creating actual accounts. Where can I read more about what's happening there? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 14:23, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
@Sdkb, sorry you missed the previous messages regarding this temp accounts project. Have you checked at m:IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation? This page details the resonating behind this project, and how it will be implemented. Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 15:55, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
@Trizek (WMF), ah, I'd heard of IP editing changes, but I wasn't aware this was part of the proposed solution. With the proposed implementation, I'm not too concerned it'll deter people from making actual accounts, but still, I'd focus on the experience of users who start out with a temporary account but then decide they'd like to switch to a permanent account. They may not be too happy if e.g. their editing history from the temporary account cannot be retained as history for their permanent account. (And I'd imagine we would not want to retain it, as it could contain edits from others sharing the same IP address.) Best, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 17:06, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Module vs template Find sources

Thanks for weighing in at the Module talk, but not sure if this came out the way you intended: "whereas the template is what determines which links are actually used". The template is a wrapper for the module, and it's true that the template does determine the domain (med, video, general), but once that is chosen, the module determines the specific links within the domain, not the template. Whether it displays NYT or Reuters, etc., is done at the module level; for example, here, for the general case. Mathglot (talk) 19:05, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the reminder of how that works — it's been a little while since we worked on introducing the module and it seems I forgot exactly how it functions. Feel free to correct me at the discussion. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:30, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Wdossani (23:27, 10 August 2023)

Hi,

I submitted an article but it gets put for speedy deletion but I have rewrote the whole article and contested deletion and provided supporting ref.

Please guide me if I am doing something wrong.

Thanks & regards --Wdossani (talk) 23:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@Wdossani, your reference is not reliable. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 23:35, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

I nominated one of the lists you wanted on the featured list candidates MercuryOxide (talk) 13:19, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @MercuryOxide, and welcome! It looks like the article you tried to nominate, List of presidents of the United States, is already a featured list (it has the star in the upper right corner). Overall, getting an article to featured status is a quite difficult task. I'd recommend starting with some of the simpler tasks at WP:TASKS and working up to it over time. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 23:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
It was already removed, Thanks anyways brother. MercuryOxide (talk) 00:43, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Was this okay?

Hello @Sdkb and sorry to bother you,

This is just a reminder that I've requested the Commons help desk to remove the potential copyrighted image the user claimed to have taken and uploaded it as Own work. Here is the request [9] I made. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 14:22, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! The Commons folks will take it from here. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 14:29, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Kimen8 (12:40, 15 August 2023)

Hello, is there a style guide entry for using an en dash versus em dash to denote negative numbers? For example, in Brit Awards 2018, the tables showing chart reaction are using an em dash for negative numbers. I think this looks bad because they're also using an em dash to separate the album name from the reaction/change. There are a couple mixed en dashes in with the em dashes, but until I know which way is preferred I'll leave this page as is. --Kimen8 (talk) 12:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) See MOS:MINUS and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Mathematics#Minus sign. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:22, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Wiknic location

Hi Sdkb! Looking forward to hopefully seeing you at Sunday's wiknic. At Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/DC/Wiknic_2023#Different_location_for_the_wiknic? I raised a question about location — I'll copy it here for convenience but if you could answer at that talk page that'd be really helpful. Thank you!

Apologies for the late suggestion: How would folks feel about doing the wiknic at Dupont Circle instead of at Rock Creek Park? Dupont would be easier to get to for folks on the train. I originally chose Rock Creek Park because I was worried about the crowd getting too big (last time I hosted a CentralNotice'd event hundreds wanted to come!), but it looks like there have only been a small handful of signups, which makes Dupont plausible! I'll notify everyone who's expressed interest — please let me know if you have a preference one way or the other. Looking forward to seeing you all!

KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 04:31, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

September 2023 at Women in Red

Women in Red September 2023, Vol 9, Iss 9, Nos 251, 252, 281, 282, 283


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Your InternetArchiveBot run appears to be stuck

Hai! InternetArchiveBot run #14871 (submitted by you) seems to be going very wonky - it says it's run through the full list of pages, but apparently hasn't realized that it needs to finish the job and release its bot worker for other use. Could you maybe try manually killing the job and see if that clears up the issue? Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes 20:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah, good ol' IABot... I tried manually killing the task; please let me know if there's anything further I can do. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:55, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
Thanx! :-) Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes 00:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Syntax highlighting

It appears that the WMF is not planning to prioritize enabling syntax highlighting for IPs and new editors because of the technical challenges involved in doing so. However, I think it would be a real boon to editor retention (especially given that source editing is still the default on desktop). Given that, do you think it would be worthwhile to take a swing at an RfA here to turn on syntax highlighting for *all* users by default? That would lower the technical burden of the change, and of course, those who dislike it could still opt out. Let me know what you think. —Ganesha811 (talk) 04:02, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ganesha811! I raised it with the Growth team here the other day, and @KStoller-WMF is looking into whether it might be a task they could help with. If they come back and aren't able to help with it, or they feel that the technical hurdles from turning it on only for new editors/IPs would be an issue, then I think an RfC (not RfA 😛) would be the next step. I certainly concur that it's a useful feature and hope we can find some way to get this across the finish line. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 04:15, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
The RfC/RfA mixup is a little embarrassing, but it's good to hear the WMF is looking into it again! I'll look out for their answer. Thanks for the quick reply. —Ganesha811 (talk) 04:17, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
@Ganesha811, @SD0001 (from the Phabricator ticket), and @KStoller-WMF, I've drafted an RfC here. Feel free to let me know if you have any comments about it or suggested changes. Kirsten, if you'd like longer to look into the topic, just lmk and we can delay it. But absent that, I think we could launch it within the next few days. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 04:05, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
It looks good to me! —Ganesha811 (talk) 05:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, @Sdkb! I've discussed this with several people at WMF, but I haven't made much progress on finding ownership or solid next steps. I'll follow up with more info soon. If we enable Syntax highlighting for existing accounts by default, do you think we should also provide some sort of GuidedTour explaining the feature and how to disable it? Or do you think that experienced editors who dislike syntax highlighting will know how to disable it? KStoller-WMF (talk) 15:26, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Replied at the MediaWiki thread to keep discussion centralized. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 17:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

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Request for statement removal regarding Chaos Warehouse.

Sdkb,

I am making my second request for you to remove the statement made upon closing the conversation at the TeaHouse regarding Chaos Warehouse. While trying to provide information on the current popular music platforms operation and presence, you closed the conversation with an untrue statement based on limited knowledge of the subject. Your statement said only three monthly listeners and no media coverage.  I submit to you that radio stations are media coverage and also supply alternative station reports besides Spotify. The link Chaos Warehouse Metrics has the Pandora and Radio Airplay(covering Jango, Tunecore and others world wide) showing 60 streams in the last 16 days for Pandora, and also 39 listeners just in the last 24 hours with more than a thousand world wide listeners in the last two months on Radio Airplay. These are just a couple of the several music platform Chaos Warehouse is utilizing and it shows clearly your statement is untrue and your statement can be viewed as libel and defamatory.  This will be my last communication directly to you and further communications, will be directed to alternative respondents within Wikipedia to resolve.  

https://chaoswarehouse.com/metrics

Very respectfully,

Lucien Levasseur Revolucien (talk) 21:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Revolucien, I have clarified the close at the Teahouse discussion to specify that the band has three monthly listeners listed on Spotify, not three monthly listeners total. Thanks for editing the last bit of your message; please be aware that WP:NOLEGALTHREATS is a strictly enforced policy. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:41, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Sdkb,
In attempts to help you understand the subject you are making defining statements on, it has been explained that the monthly listeners are people who created a channel to hear the music more often, and not the amount of listeners who hear Chaos Warehouse in a month through Spotify's normal curated algorithms for the type of music.
Please research the definition of the term "Media".  Media is not just written, but includes TV and radio coverage(which I have shown) therefore your statement is erroneous and defamatory.  
I have provided the data to show that there have been more than 39 people in the last 24hrs and more than a thousand people reached world wide in less than two months(on only a few of the used platforms)- from a solo written, recorded, produced piece of art.
I believe your statement suits your current attitude towards someone you don't agree with rather than the truthful data supplied. I'm will not ask= you to correct one thing about what you wrote because I believe people can read the facts in the remarks and links provided, and see that internal bias is overriding the logic. I only hope you approach future discussions with an open mind and eagerness to learn about new subjects.  Cheers as well.
Respectfully,
Lucien Levasseur Revolucien (talk) 23:12, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Question from LucretiusAZ (21:19, 17 September 2023)

Hi, My stepfather who is 93 would like to add his bio to the list of Marine Corp generals at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Generals_of_the_United_States_Marine_Corps He is going to write the bio and I told him I could add it. Can you help me with this? Thank you :) -Mark --LucretiusAZ (talk) 21:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mark, writing a Wikipedia article is a difficult task, and writing about yourself is strongly discouraged. See Help:Your first article for further information. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 22:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Tamás Király

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Question from Measure Correct (16:02, 23 September 2023)

If I modify different Articles on Wikipedia then can I add any link in the External link part? --Measure Correct (talk) 16:02, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Measure Correct, which links are appropriate for external links sections is described at this page. Hope that helps address your question. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 16:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your support

Community Relations Award
On behalf of the Editing team and my own team, thank you for your support for the Talk pages project during the last several years. I expect Discussion tools to be out of Beta Features at all wikis before long. The team couldn't have met its goals without your help, especially your willingness to ask and answer questions. Editing hopes you will continue partnering with them for mw:Edit check. Thank you so much. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Thanks so much for this message, Whatamidoing (WMF)! It's been great working with you and everyone else, and I look forward to more collaboration in the future! {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Volunteer-me is making a list of articles to tackle soon. I'll definitely be around the wiki. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:22, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

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Growth team newsletter #28

Welcome to the twenty-eighth newsletter from the Growth team! Help with translations

Community Configuration, concept A: Accordion style
Community Configuration, concept B: Dashboard style

Community configuration 2.0

  • Community Configuration 2.0 is a feature that will enable Wikimedia communities to easily customize and configure features to meet their unique needs. This approach provides non-technical moderators with more independence and control over enabling/disabling and customizing features for their communities.
  • Technical approach and associated tasks are detailed in this Epic task on Phabricator.
  • Initial designs are drafted for two different approaches (see images). We will soon demo interactive prototypes to interested admins, stewards, and experienced editors (T346109). Please let us know if you have feedback on the design approach, or want to participate in prototype testing.

IP Masking

  • The Growth team has been working on several updates to ensure Growth maintained features will be compatible with future IP Masking changes. This work has included code changes to: Recent Changes (T343322), Echo notifications (T333531), the Thanks extension (T345679) and Mentorship (T341390).
  • Before December, the Growth team will initiate community discussions with the goal of migrating communities from Flow to DiscussionTools. This move aims to minimize the necessity for additional engineering work to make Flow compatible with IP Masking. (T346108)

Mentorship

Scaling Growth features

  • We continue the deployment of the structured task "add a link" to all Wikipedias. We plan to scale the task to all Wikipedias that have link suggestions available by the end of 2023.
  • We plan to scale the new Impact Module to all Wikipedias soon, but first we are investigating a bug with the job that refreshes the Impact Module data. (T344428)
  • At some wikis, newcomers have access to the "add an image" structured task. This task suggests images that may be relevant to add to unillustrated articles. Newcomers at these wikis can now add images to unillustrated articles sections. (T345940) The wikis that have this task are listed under "Images recommendations" at the Growth team deployment table.

Other news

  • We disabled the “add an image” task temporarily (T345188) because there was a failure in the image suggestions pipeline (T345141). This is now fixed.
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About the article I'm building

Prior discussion: User talk:ElKevbo § New article questions

Hi! You provided some very useful insight earlier this week regarding my draft, User:Pbritti/sandbox/Campus of the College of William & Mary. I'm making steady progress and have taken on some of your advice. If you find time, would you mind checking how it looks to you at this stage? I have yet to add material regarding the Colonial Williamsburg restorations of the 1920s and 1930s and the subsections for New Campus and South Campus, so don't fret if those sections looks peculiarly bare. This is more concerned with the general "vibes" thus far. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Pbritti! One thing that can help out campus articles a lot is having good images, since they let readers directly see what the grounds look like. If you live near enough to W&M to go visit, I'd suggest taking lots of pics. At Pomona College § Campus, I ended up using two galleries, although I had to fight to justify them during FAC. For an entire article, you have a little more space, so you might be fine just with normal images.
The desired level of detail is another thing to consider. At the FAC, some of the reviewers felt that I was going into too much detail by mentioning some of the less-significant buildings on campus. I resolved that issue by creating the mapframe for those, which took care of it but was a ton of work. For your case, writing a full article, you have more room, but I'd still caution against too much detail. Campuses don't change super quickly, but they do change over time, and excessive detail will dilute editorial resources, making things harder to maintain.
Hope all that's helpful! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 23:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for yet another outstanding reply. I live in Arlington (which, from what I gather on your user page, isn't terribly far from you!), so I'll be taking many pics when I go down to both the Williamsburg and Petersburg campuses late next week. If you have any recommendations on videos or pages to read regarding making a map like you have on Pomona College, I'm all ears–that's easily one of the most neato things I've seen in a FA. I agree on the excess detail element, but I would like your opinion: is it better to start large and await the slicing-and-dicing at FAC or have a reduced size with the risk of reduced breath of coverage? ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! Template:Mapframe would be the place to start. The short of it is that making the campus boundaries display required a dive into the world of OpenStreetMap, which, as a much smaller wiki, has quite limited technical infrastructure. I had to push to resolve a bug that kept some database from updating, which took a month or so to resolve, and I had to put in a Phabricator ticket to get the Kartographer extension to be able to handle references. And then it took a long afternoon or so to make the map itself.
Regarding whether to start big or small, I think the advice of most FAC regulars would be to go smaller. Once you've put in the effort to write out a bunch of content, you're naturally going to want to defend it, which can lead to conflict with reviewers who want to take it out. Whereas anything not detailed enough the reviewers can just ask you to go write. WP:TOOBIG has some size guidelines you can use as benchmarks. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 00:27, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, again! I've taken your advice to heart and have completed the draft with the exception of the images. I have partially completed galleries in the relevant location. If you have any additional suggestions about any aspect of the draft before I get the photos tomorrow, please let me know! ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas!

Hello Sdkb: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, —Ganesha811 (talk) 06:54, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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Holiday greeting cards

I've sent out solstice season greetings to a sampling of editors I know, but I'm sure I've missed some folks. If that's you, apologies, and here are some artworks for you:

And if you're in the southern hemisphere, you're welcome to enjoy an adapted version. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:25, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Happy Holidays and a Prosperous 2024!

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Seasons Greetings

Merry Christmas, Sdkb!
Wishing you Season's Greetings and a Happy Winter Solstice! As the year comes to a close, I want to express my appreciation for your dedicated efforts on Wikipedia and extend heartfelt thanks for your assistance throughout the years. May the holiday season bring you and your loved ones abundant joy, good health, and prosperity.

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Re: Seasonal greetings

That was really sweet! I'm just sorry I'm not that versatile in using AI to do a proper response, so please accept my written thank you and my best and warmest wishes for happy holidays with the ones you love the most. :)

All the best, Sannita (WMF) (talk) 12:32, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

December greetings

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Question from Kimen8 (19:46, 2 October 2023)

I have found an issue that I can't figure out how to fix. On Parrot, I see the error "Missing taxonomy template (fix):" from Template:Automatic_taxobox. On the template docs page I see that that error message means the Taxonomy template supposedly doesn't exist, but Parrot uses |taxon=Psittaciformes which does exist (Template:Taxonomy/Psittaciformes). The Taxonomy page does have a Lua error though, which I can't seem to identify or correct. --Kimen8 (talk) 19:46, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Kimen8! I'm no longer seeing the error, so perhaps it was fixed. Taxonomy questions are best directed to WT:TREEOFLIFE, since there is a complicated system that makes those boxes work. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:15, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Possibly related to edits at Template:Taxonomy/Aves‎‎ or Template:Taxonomy/Ornithurae/skip‎. A null edit (click Edit and then Publish without changing anything) seems to have cleared the error message on the template. At least one related template took two null edits to clear the error, which is unusual. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:59, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 1#Category:WikiProject Foo members

Hello, Sdkb,

There were over 900 categories involved in this category name change and I've run into some glitches from there being a delay between JJMC89 bot III moving the categories and it then moving all of the category contents out of the deleted category to the new category. But that's just an explanation of how I came across this CFD case, not the problem.

My issue is that a lot of editors were placed in one of these "Member" categories because they put a specific userbox on their User page. If you want to follow through with this change from Members>Participants, I think you should check and see with all of the different WikiProjects and Task forces if they have userbox template that is being used and change the language on them from Member of a group to Participant in a group. It would be a bit time-consuming to track these down but otherwise, I think the misunderstanding and possible confusion of "Member" vs. "Participant" will continue as the language will still appear on User pages for thousands of editors. But it's also just a word change that won't require any larger discussions on a noticeboard to carry out or consensus to approve, you can just do it yourself. Just a suggestion. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 19:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Liz, and for helping implementing the CfD outcome (which I'm sure is not straightforward). I was glad to get the ball rolling on this, but due to off-wiki busyness I don't currently have the capacity to carry through the entire implementation.
I left a note at the WikiProject Council page, though, and I hope that seeing the category change on watchlists may spur some editors to update userboxes/etc. accordingly. Once the category move is finalized, I think an AWB run through Category:WikiProject user templates could handle those (if we want to be extra-cautious about consensus, we could have a discussion at WT:Council with notices to Template talk:Userbox and other relevant spots). {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Hi there, Sdkb. While I agree with your wish to make it easier for contributors to join wikiprojects, I was surprised to see that categories for members of wikiprojects have now been changed to "participants", especially as highly active projects such as WikiProject Women in Red were not informed of the proposal. Since WiR was launched in 2015, we have distinguished between membership of the project as a whole and participation in project events. It will be interesting to see reactions to the thread I have started on the project talk page.
I was surprised to see, btw, that your user page displays several icons stating that you are a "member" of wikiprojects. It looks to me as if these and many more will now have to be changed. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 07:45, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Aphumelele dindala (21:54, 17 October 2023)

How to create my own article --Aphumelele dindala (talk) 21:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Aphumelele dindala, see Help:Your first article. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

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Question from CMG95 (19:22, 31 October 2023)

How do I go about editing the name of an associations page? American Payroll Association is no longer APA and has been rebranded as PayrollOrg --CMG95 (talk) 19:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @CMG95! Per the Wikipedia policy on article titles, we generally use the most common name of an organization, not necessarily the most official name, so the first step is to confirm that a retitling is appropriate. Newspapers and other outside entities using the rebranded name would be an indication of that; otherwise, it might be better to wait. Once it's time, see here for information on how to propose the change. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 19:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Taimour sheikh (09:19, 15 November 2023)

Can you please check my recent draft named "Hadayat & Co." and tell me is it according to all the wikipedia guidelines. --Taimour sheikh (talk) 09:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Taimour sheikh! As currently written, that draft will not be accepted because it lacks references. See Help:REFSTART for instructions on adding those. It also contains language that appears to be promotional (leading supplier of premium sanitary ware contains peacock terms that will invite strict reference scrutiny) and excessive details about the products offered (Wikipedia is not a product catalog). Overall, see Help:Your first article for advice. Also, please note that if you are affiliated with the company, you are expected to disclose it per WP:COI. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 15:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Map for good articles

Greetings, is it possible to make a map for Wikipedia:Good articles analogous to the one for WP:FA? I tried on my talk page and all I got was a rock. Are there just too many? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, it's theoretically possible, but I just tried and got the same result. Rendering the few thousand points for FAs with a location is one thing; going for the many thousand GAs with a location seems like a recipe for borking mapframe. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 19:09, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Taimour sheikh (05:19, 29 November 2023)

Hi, Can you see if the references I used in my draft "Hadayat & Co." are reliable for wikipedia or not. The organization I have written for is a renowned corporate in Pakistan so it needs to have a presence on Wikipedia as it is a legacy business. But as I am not a pro at wiki's content guidelines, my content gets rejected. --Taimour sheikh (talk) 05:19, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Taimour sheikh, see Help:Your first article. Beyond that, I am not willing to volunteer my time to help promote your business. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Editor experience invitation

Hi Sdkb. :) I'm looking for people to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out, Clover! I added my reflections. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 17:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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Pumpkin Spice Spam

Thanks for adding an image to the article (: RakdosWitch (talk) 00:24, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

🎃🌶️📧 :) {{u|Sdkb}} talk 04:47, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Redundant instructions: Referencing for beginners

Hi @Sdkb!

Thank you for being vigilant and taking care of Help pages <3

When I read the Help article Referencing for beginners I couldn't find any information on how to use Citoid, hence, I added a section with instructions and an illustrating video. You have removed that section, arguing that it is redundant, so I might have missed something! Would you be so kind to point out in which section readers get information about semi-automatically adding references using a DOI, a URL or a title? Silva Selva (talk) 22:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Silva Selva! In the RefToolbar section of that page, the instructions encourage editors to click the magnifying glass icon to autofill fields. To my understanding, this invokes Citoid to fill in those fields. I don't think that we should actually be naming Citoid there, though, since newcomers don't need to know jargon when it affects only under-the-surface mechanics.
I'm curious where you came across Citoid and what you were trying to do that led you to the Referencing for beginners page. (It's possible that there are overly technical mentions of Citoid elsewhere that should be replaced with simpler language.) Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Hey @Sdkb,
Yep, I saw the RefToolbar section, and it indeed has very nice instructions to use it, which are useful if you are a Wikitext Editor (which is what the RefToolbar is for).
However, given it is a page called "Referencing for beginners" I thought it was important to add Citoid which is a tool for the VisualEditor. Which is much easier to use. As I had written in the instructions that were revoked, you only requires three clicks:
1. Clicking on the "Cite" icon of the VisualEditor
2. Pasting the DOI/URL
3. Reviewing the metadata was imported properly (which can be edited if needed) but otherwise can be just published.
I hope this makes clearer why both instructions are useful, as one is for Wikitext editors and the other one for editors who choose the VisualEditor :) Silva Selva (talk) 21:27, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Ah, that's helpful clarification. There's a note at the top of the page that it assumes you're using the wikitext editor, and that there is a separate page for VisualEditor (which covers Citoid, although again not by name). I agree that VisualEditor is better for newcomers, although it's also self-explanatory enough that there's less need for a help page about it (the ideal way to give help is in the moment, contextually prompted, rather than on a long help page; we're slowly working toward that). What I would really like is for the page to detect whether you use the wikitext editor or the VisualEditor, and to then give you the appropriate advice based on that. Alas, that is (to my knowledge) not currently possible with Wikipedia's software. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:40, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Question from KiwipediaZea (19:43, 9 December 2023)

Hello, i have a question of you being my mentor.

How long will you be my mentor? that's all i need to ask for now. --KiwipediaZea (talk) 19:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @KiwipediaZea! I'll be your mentor for as long as you need one. You can also ask any other experienced editor to help. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 00:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Question from StrafeLeft (17:36, 18 December 2023)

Hello, I was planning on updating the CO2 emissions on the "List of coal-fired power stations in the United States" but am unsure how to do so or if that is even a good idea (I am looking at the EPA's 2022 Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Large Facilities) as many haven't been updated from that source. Thank you for your help. --StrafeLeft (talk) 17:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @StrafeLeft! List of coal-fired power stations in the United States is a fairly obscure article, so I wouldn't be surprised if it needed updating, and based on the access dates in the references, it looks like it was last updated in fall 2020. Overall, I'd encourage you to be bold and go ahead with the updates. Regarding the how aspect, tables are unfortunately a bit more technically complex than some other types of content. I'd recommend trying to use the VisualEditor if possible. And feel free to reach out to me if you encounter any specific snags. Thanks for helping out! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 17:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Hey Sdkb, thanks a lot for the encouragement. I actually started with a different page, List of power stations in Georgia (U.S. state), and figured out how to use both the visual editor and the script (took me a few edits but I made it haha). I think when I have time I'll follow your advice and update the other page. StrafeLeft (talk) 19:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Best of luck! {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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Happy holidays to you too! 😃

🧩🎄🌊⛰️✨🌌
This is the most beautiful, personalized postcard I have ever received, Sdkb, and I can't thank you enough for it. I went through the gallery of images for a while, chose one and created a derivative, smilingly and in awe. This one here is for you!

🤗 💚 ~ ToBeFree (talk) 12:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, ToBeFree! I love that image — impressionism is always so beautiful! {{u|Sdkb}} talk 18:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Sdkb!

Happy New Year!

Sdkb,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Happy New Year, Sdkb!

Happy New Year!

Sdkb,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Vital article talk banner discussion

Hi Sdkb. I have some concerns and queries about the current discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Vital_Articles#TfD_follow-up:_Fate_of_the_vital_article_talk_banner. As this is a discussion which has a wide impact to the project, and which has a suggestion which is essentially against the interests of the Vital Articles project, it seems it would be more appropriate / more neutral to hold the discussion in a place other than the talkpage of the Vital Articles project. Yes, they should be informed, but holding the discussion there, and simply pinging selected others is not giving the discussion the wide and neutral audience it should have (ie, those who are not in the Vital Article project or who have not taken part in previous discussions are less likely to find it). Also, the set up of the templates gives the appearance that option 2 (placing within) is removing Vital Articles, as in the second version it cannot be seen unless the template is clicked; and then when it is clicked, the importance rating is not shown. This might lead people to vote against it as it appears to treat Vital Articles as lesser than other projects rather than equal to. Also, and this is more a query than a concern, I am not familiar with the version of {{WikiProject banner shell}} that is being used in the discussion. The version I am familiar with is this one,

which shows the level and the class of Vital Articles (I do think, though, that more work needs to be done on the Vital article template to make it fit more neatly into the banner in the same way as the other project banners). Where did you find the version of WikiProject banner shell that you are using? I kinda like it, but am not familiar with it. SilkTork (talk) 14:21, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @SilkTork; good questions! I think you have a point re the venue, and I'll keep that in mind for future proposals. For this one, in addition to the pings to the many prior discussion participants, I also notified several projects/templates that seemed relevant, and I'd be happy to send out additional invites if there are any relevant places I missed. Many of those have more watchers than the vital articles talk page, and overall the discussion participants so far seem to be mostly editors from the TfD (which itself had a very wide audience since it was advertised at every transclusion of {{Talk header}}).
Regarding the mockups, I used the collapsed layout as most vital articles are "big" articles that have many projects and will therefore have autocollapsed talk banners. Headbomb had the same query about why the level rating is not included in a parenthetical the same as importance ratings at traditional projects. I left that out because I'm not sure it's technically feasible given how {{WPBannerMeta}} is set up. Level ratings are different than project importance ratings (in both meaning and function, but function is the relevant part here), and my past experience has been that it's a pretty rigid template that might not be able to accommodate them without a major reworking that editors there might oppose.
To your last query, there has been recent discussion on converting {{Vital article}} to use WPBannerMeta, which would make it look/behave more similarly to traditional project banners. Most "place within" !voters seemed to be seeking that outcome, so I thought it only fair to them to show that in the mockup. (N.b. I intentionally used could in what [option] could look like to communicate that the mockups are not set in stone.) I created the version of {{Vital article}} used in the mockup from scratch via Special:ExpandTemplates, so there's no functioning version yet, but it could be pretty easily created by modifying the current sandbox version, which features a rough implementation of WPBannerMeta.
I hope that all helps clarify! Happy to answer any other questions you have. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 15:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi Sdkb. Has there been any progress in working out how to implement this merge? I ask because it has been pointed out that {{vital article}} is not correctly inheriting the class when placed inside the banner shell. I can fix this, but don't want to spend too much time on it, if a new version will be imminently available. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:26, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
And ... regarding the display of the level that you are discussing above, that was added quickly by me as a rough and ready solution. It can certainly be reformatted/tweaked if there is agreement on what it should look like. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:28, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi @MSGJ! The template is currently in the holding cell following the successful merge proposal and follow-up. That process is backlogged, unfortunately, but it'll be taken up eventually, and you might be able to prod it along a bit by commenting there. It's not something I'm personally involved in, though. Hope that helps! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 13:41, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Well, it cannot be merged unless there is some agreement on how to do the merge. The most recent discussion made some progress but ultimately stalled — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:55, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

There is a mop reserved in your name

You are a remarkable editor in many ways. You would be a good administrator, in my opinion, and appear to be well qualified. You personify an administrator without tools and have gained my support already!

You'd do awesome, Sdkb. I really think you would. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:29, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

I thought you were for a long time. You'd do fine. Queen of Hearts ❤️ (she/they 🎄 🏳️‍⚧️) 21:02, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
+1 I hate to repeat the cliché, but I could've sworn you were one already. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:02, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
No clichés here. I know you're not one but just... get a mop, saves us all beating down your door :) Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (he|she|they) 21:17, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
+1 from me. I think you'd pass! Although maybe mentione your featured article, featured list, and good article on your main userpage. Took me a couple minutes of digging to find them. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:47, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Yes, noted and adopted. A good selection of service across the projects. Remember when people use the auld cliche 'I thought you were already', that's cretinous compared to supports such as Zuppybonzo and Novem. Guaranteed support here. ——Serial 00:02, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
+1 Why not? 🙂 Maliner (talk) 12:16, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
If you do plan on running, drop me an email. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Oh yes. – SJ + 16:30, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
I'd support. History6042 (talk) 22:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
+1 100%. — Frostly (talk) 04:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
May I suggest we stop piling on? This user would obviously pass RfA.[FBDB] QueenofHearts 04:08, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
@Queen of Hearts.Otherwise the bureaucrat needs to come here and grant him administrator privileges. Lol. Maliner (talk) 17:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks so much for leaving this kind note, Clover, and to everyone for adding on their generous words! I take it all to heart (and hopefully not to head) {{u|Sdkb}} talk 02:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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