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Re:Samanadhikaranya

I thank you for pointing out my mistake. I had forgotten that I had filled-up this blank earlier. I have since expanded and re-cast this page using the material contained in the article Samanadhikaranyam rightly declined by you today. Regards.Aditya soni (talk) 14:47, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

@Aditya soni: As I guess you mean Samanadhikaranyam, it is requested that please provide the valid links if in case I am wrong. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 14:57, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I have also copied the some content of the draft to the mainspace article since it lacked the main part of a article.— CutestPenguin^Hangout 17:47, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

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Request on 08:55:04, 6 October 2014 for assistance on AfC submission by Onenessall

Onenessall (talk · contribs)
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Onenessall (talk) 08:55, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Cutest Penguin! Thank you for your review of Sri Ramakant Maharaj. I wonder if you can offer some guidance, please? Re: third-party sources, these are difficult to locate - because although this Master has belonged to the Inchegiri Navnath Sampradaya Lineage since 1962, and has been teaching for the last decade - he has only come into focus in the West in the last two years. Re: notability, he is the only direct disciple of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj who is initiating others into this lineage, but again, this is difficult to source. (As an aside, I have been a serious student of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj for decades. Having kept my ears open over the years, for a living Master from the same lineage, Sri Ramakant Maharaj only came into my view in the last year.)Word of this rare living Master, Sri Ramakant Maharaj is slowly but surely spreading across the world.

Having looked at Wiki's guidelines re verifiability of articles etc, I see that there are maybe some options that could apply to this article: ie notifications that inform there is a lack of "neutral" sources: eg use of templates such as "third-party", or "Unreferenced" or "Citations needed"... Your help would be very much appreciated as to how to move forward with this article. Thanks Onenessall (talk) 08:55, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

@Onenessall: Your draft only consist of self-published sources which is generally not considered to be the reliable source^{see link} in order to establish notability^{see link} you need to find reliable sources^{see link} for example articles published in the newspaper and that has to be online too so that it can be verified^{see link}. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 09:08, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

09:46:25, 6 October 2014 review of submission by NapaBrenda

NapaBrenda (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Nichelini Family Winery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello - Thank you for the prompt review, but I need further guidance as to why my sources do not prove notability. I have in my references 7 different newspaper articles about the subject from 3 separate newspapers, as well as 2 published books covering the subject, 3 other primary sources and the listing on the National Register of Historic Places. As I state in my article, this winery is the oldest winery in the Napa Valley (America's primary wine-growing region), and that fact alone seems to make it notable. Let me know what else you would like in terms of references - I have dozens of books on my shelf about this subject! Thank you -

NapaBrenda (talk) 09:46, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

@NapaBrenda: The references has to be published online so that it can be verified where in your draft I cannot see any such sources. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 10:00, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

No, references do not need to be published online to be considered reliable. Books and newspapers that are only available in print are valid references. As well, there is no requirement that references be in English. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 12:15, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
@NapaBrenda: @Cutest Penguin: This page may be helpful: Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources Eastmain (talk • contribs) 12:21, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Eastmain: What you are talking about? I think AfC decline reason have sufficient information to guide the editor about finding the sources and please don't use {{ping}} while mentioning about me on my talkpage. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 12:25, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

01:03:37, 7 October 2014 review of submission by NapaBrenda

NapaBrenda (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Nichelini Family Winery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Cutest Penguin: So, it seems my sources do not need to be accessible online - see in the rules under Verifiability/Accessibility: "Some reliable sources may not be easily accessible. For example, an online source may require payment, and a print source may be available only in university libraries or other offline places. Do not reject sources just because they are hard or costly to access." As I am writing about a historical subject, many of my sources are from very old books and articles that you can probably only find in libraries. That being said, several of my sources ARE available online, and I will provide links. I will also add some other online sources. Hopefully this will then meet the standard!

NapaBrenda (talk) 01:03, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

@NapaBrenda: There is no need of using such paid references, please see WP:RS to know how you can identify reliable sources and can support your draft/article. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 12:17, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

14:09:37, 7 October 2014 review of submission by Lwill74

Lwill74 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Dexter Allen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Lwill74 (talk) 14:09, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I wanted to see if I can get some help on improving my article. I asked the musician I wrote about and his assistant to help me get more references, but is there anything else I need to do? Thanks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dexter_Allen

Hey Hi! @Lwill74:, as I can see you have added only 3 references which is not sufficient to meet the notability guidelines, and even the #1 and #3 references is not seems to be reliable source. Unfortunately I won't be able to help you out in finding the references since I am not aware about that subject all I can suggest that you should see WP:RS which will be helpful in finding and identify the reliable sources. Cheers! — CutestPenguin^Hangout 14:22, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

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BLP Issue

Hi Cutest_Penguin,

The controversies section has been removed from this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kailash_Vijayvargiya

The content was well sourced and was not a copyright violation as well. Moreover, the facts were not deduced or views of some people were not stated. The facts were stated. The editor who removed the section has stated that, "(per BLP policy and accompanying discretionary sanctions, the controversies section is not to be added back to the article until additional balanced, neutral information has been added)". I have gone through Biographies of living persons but could not find the reason for removal. I request you to kindly educate me on this issue. Katyaan (talk) 11:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello! @Katyaan:, On English Wikipedia such articles is governed as per Biographies of living persons (BPL), by adding (per BLP policy and accompanying discretionary sanctions, the controversies section is not to be added back to the article until additional balanced, neutral information has been added) @Nick: wanted to say that controversy or criticism sections shouldn't form the majority of content in any given article, nor should articles focus solely on criticism. The overall content of that article was consist of criticism and controversies in majority where other vital information lacked or you can say was in minority which is not appreciated as per BLP policy. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 12:39, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

@Cutest Penguin: I see. So, if the page is developed via additional balanced content, this section can be resurrected. Got it. Thanks. Katyaan (talk) 12:46, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Filtermist International

Please would you look at your review and consider whether you have given the correct reason for declining the draft, and also whether you might have left a comment to guide the author? Fiddle Faddle 17:07, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

@Timtrent:

Done. I think the decline reason has the sufficient information to tell the editor what need to be done in that case, as well as his/her recent contributed article Industrial Extraction needs to be reviews which is already under mainspace and may not be suitable for Wikipedia. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 17:21, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. The reason I asked is that the author left a question on the AFC Help desk, and, when I looked, I find I disagree with your assessment. Now, it's fine that we disagree, but I felt it was useful if I mentioned it and how I disagree. I see a somewhat promotional, ill referenced draft, not something that falls into any obvious WP:NOT compartment. I appreciate your subsequent comment there which tends to head towards my way of thinking. I'm by no means saying that I am correct, nor that you are incorrect. I just wanted you to know that we have differing approaches.

I do, very much, think AFC Comments are the single most helpful thing we can do for a new editor, and I thank you sincerely for adding yours to the review. Fiddle Faddle 19:12, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

05:16:44, 10 October 2014 review of submission by Nusaiba Tasnim

Nusaiba Tasnim (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Sayeed Abubakar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nusaiba Tasnim (talk) 05:16, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Dear Sir, I don't understand what are wrong information I have submitted on poet Sayeed Abubakar. Sayeed Abubakar is a renowned poet of Bangladesh. Can you help me in this regard please? Sincerely yours Nusaiba Tasnim

@Nusaiba Tasnim: The subject you are trying to publish under the mainspace is seems to be previously deleted as per Criteria for speedy deletion A7 which says An article about a real person, individual animal(s), organization, web content or organized event that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant, this is because your article lacks significant coverage in reliable sources to verify the information. It is requested that before re-submitting the draft for review only after adding reliable sources to establish notability. Another thing, always sign your post on talk pages by adding ~~~~ at the end of your comment. Cheers! — CutestPenguin^Hangout 11:06, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Using incorrect AFC labels

Hello CP, while I admire your prolificness in rating AFC articles, it seems that frequently I run across ones you've mislabeled, often in rather confusing ways. As just a few examples from this evening (and I've been noticing this for days):

Draft:Sayeed Abubakar, you picked BLP vio, but this is no potentially defamatory content, and the text has not been removed as the pink box claims. I think "ILC", lack of inline cites, or "V", lack of reliable sources, would be far more appropriate.
Draft:Kenizé Mourad, you indicated that it is in inappropriate article about a fictional character, but Mourad is a writer, not a character. So the appropriate option would be "BIO" and direct the originator to WP:Notability (writers).

Please do take care in choosing your Decline criteria, less it confused the originators as is the case with the Abubakar article, where the originator is confused as to what is defamatory, when instead he should be understanding that he needs more formal sources to establish Notability. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:32, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

@MatthewVanitas: Thanks for reviewing and letting me know about decline criteria. Well, FYI I have fixed in the case of 1st where it seems to be deleted 3 times under mainspace as per copyvio two times and once as per A7 (more recent). I use afch (rewrite) to review article and just chose the option 'NOT SUITABLE' which automatically added the comment and section Literary Career seems to be NOT SUITABLE as per WP:NOT. Cheers! — CutestPenguin^Hangout 10:59, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm, "not suitable" is more for things like directories, editorials, how-to, recipes, etc. A bio of a poet is certainly the sort of thing WP does, just maybe not this poet ("bio") or if it's not referenced properly ("v" or "ilc"). I just think it's confusing Abubaker originator to link to WP:NOT when poet bios in general are legit, just his draft isn't a proper poet bio yet. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:09, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

@MatthewVanitas: We have already discussed in depth about this matter on IRC and even I have fixed it as per your suggestions I have tried to inform or you can say that I tried to give some hints that how the editor can improve it. Cheers! — CutestPenguin^Hangout 16:14, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

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I hope I may offer a suggestion

Obviously I am about to offer it anyway, so what I mean is "Please feel free to evaluate and decline my suggestion."

When I started reviewing at AFC I felt, not unreasonably, that the templated decline notices were good enough and that our new editors would understand the messages in them. After a while I found I wanted to add to those notices. I spent some time refining the set of 'my' standard messages, and am still refining them. If you would enjoy plagiarising them, they are at User:Timtrent/Reviewing, and if you have any suggestions for improving them I would love to hear them.

What I found when using them is that I often get asked far better grade questions by the authors we are trying to help. They seem to understand better what we are trying to do. This means I try to use them wherever I can, as you have probably seen when re-reviewing material I have declined previously.

My suggestion is that you consider leaving an AfC Comment more often than you do. My rationale is that the authors do try harder, usually, and thus we will reduce the backlog faster.

I'd be interested in your thoughts. Fiddle Faddle 15:06, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

@Timtrent: I will try!

but always mention the link you are referring to. Thanks for the suggestions. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 15:10, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I only mentioned the one link I was referring to. My suggestion was very much a generalisation. Simply experiment, see what works best for you and for the new authors. Above all, enjoy and continue to enjoy the reviewing process. Fiddle Faddle 15:12, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

@Timtrent: Hmmm... I am wondering why cannot create a WP, there is no doubt you are doing good job and even it will help the Wikipedia but still I am not sure about the PS. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 15:17, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

It may be me, but I fear I was unable to understand what you had in mind with that message. Please help me out by a more detailed explanation. My excuse is that I was up until 6am helping a neighbour!

By the way, an example of what I beleive to be a well commented review is Draft:John P. Rutledge, a review where I have chosen to leave a comment rather than declining and leaving a comment. Fiddle Faddle 15:31, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

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Central America is the geographic region that connects North America and South America.

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