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DYK

Coming from the novel DYK: I'd have liked a modified hook, but guess that now - with a different one approved - that's no longer needed? - The composer is on the Main page now. If you see details that would add to knowing about him from Polish sources I wouldn't even know to find, that would be great, but obviously it was sufficient what's there. After I asked you, I found Polskie Radio and CDMC by just looking for an opera title. More detail about performances would add life to it. There was a claim in an early version (look at any before he died) that a particular trio was successful in the U.S.. - no source. When I asked it just said two operas were performed abroad", - we have now at least a bit more precision about a few stages and people. - I like to listen to his music! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt Always happy to help. For now I've added some missing links (mostly to pl wiki); see also comment on talk about possible minor error. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:59, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. Next Polish musician died, Ewa Podleś - same request. Recordings need references to make her acceptable for RD. I'll probably manage, but help is always welcome. Let's keep edits short, to avoid edit conflicts ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
The notice of her death is a hopelessly botched copy from Wikipedia, but I saw something more decent-looking in Polish, such as [1]. Can you add that and take from it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt Not sure exactly what you are asking, but I've done a c/e pass on that article. If you cannot find refs for some claim, let me know and I'll see if I can locate it in Polish. Likely useful source: [2]. Links to media articles (its own?) at the bottom, requires free registration. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:31, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm on vacation, have little time for her, and almost any help is welcome. I thought her case would be easy, and just adding ref GSL to what was there would suffice, but no, what it says is often not yet there, or contradicts. I can see only its first page, not the second which would have recordings. So, more precisely:
  • All recordings need a ref (and not Discogs).
  • Many of the refs in the article don't work any more and need to be replaced (such as Met).
  • The article has a lot of detail for some things but misses others, - out of balance. (Somehow none of the regular editor of project opera touched it.)
As said, I'll manage, but she'd deserve mentioning sooner than I would ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Update: I translated the long Polish obit bit by bit, and found a few pearls among a lot of general cultural rambling. I also found a ref which summarily covers most recordings. Missing Mozart's Requiem and Puccini's Il Trittico, but both not critical to overall impression. I nominated for RD, and please feel free to watch WP:ITNN over the next days, because I'll be mostly.out, so not able to respond quickly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Minor Apr 10 casualty afds

Hello, how about mass-deleting all those bios You suggested today but just include short blurbs about them in an expanded casualties table? --Ouro (blah blah) 08:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ouro I have no objection to any merges, which can be boldy done anytime. But any deletion, mass or otherwise, has to go through AfD. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:40, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
You are right of course. I failed to stress the 'mass' portion, as in: single afd for all those persons. --Ouro (blah blah) 09:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
@Ouro I do not know how to make mass (group) afds. If there is a convinient gadget, please let me know, I'd be happy to learn. Doing so manually is a pain :( Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Oh there probably is some tool to aid you much like suggesting an ITN thing is easy. I haven't learned that either. I can do a non-admin closure of an afd, that's as far as I have gotten :) --Ouro (blah blah) 10:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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SFE

Saw this (as I'm guessing you intended me to, seeing as you mentioned and pinged me by linking my username). Congratulations, that's great! TompaDompa (talk) 21:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@TompaDompa Still not sure if this will happen, but thanks :) Hopefully this can benefit both projects. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Counterweight (novel)

On 27 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Counterweight (novel), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that anti-Korean sentiment, due to South Korea's economic growth, motivated Djuna to write the sci-fi novel Counterweight? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Counterweight (novel). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Counterweight (novel)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Hi @Piotrus Courtesy ping as since the AfD process was started, the article has been significantly changed. Shazback (talk) 19:58, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2024 February newsletter

The 2024 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with 135 participants. This is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2017.

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Ancient message

Hi, I 've just been browsing my archived talk pages. A very long time ago in November 2015, you posted a message on my talk page about Jean Vesque de Puttelange. I seem to remember that I wasn't interested at the time, I might have seemed dismissive. Sorry if that was the impression. If you still think we could get the article to FA status as you suggested, I would be happy work towards it with you. Maybe it could do with some some Polish-language refs. At any rate, I hope you are keeping well. MinorProphet (talk) 03:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@MinorProphet Thanks for getting back to me. Right now I don't think I have the time and will to work on this particular project extensively, but if you would be improving it (to GA or FA), I'd be happy to check Polish sources for content. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:51, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Your WikiCup submissions: Template:Did you know nominations/Zwycięzcy oceanu, Template:Did you know nominations/Morning Dew (Korean song)

Hi Piotrus, thanks for participating in the WikiCup. You recently submitted Template:Did you know nominations/Zwycięzcy oceanu, Template:Did you know nominations/Morning Dew (Korean song) for DYK points in the WikiCup, but neither of these articles have even been approved yet, let alone appeared on DYK. As per Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring#Did you know?, points cannot be granted until the article has actually been featured on the main page. Due to the DYK backlog, it is unlikely that they will appear on the Main Page within five days, even if they are promoted right now.

As such, I will remove these two nominations from your submissions page. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Polish Roman Catholic abbesses

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 09:09, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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The first round of the 2024 WikiCup ended at 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February. Everyone with at least 30 points moved on to Round 2, the highest number of points required to advance to the second round since 2014. Due to a six-way tie for the 64th-place spot, 67 contestants have qualified for Round 2.

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There is a real problem and it isn't personal

please do not portray it that way. I do not want to go into this either here or in email but... You leave me speechless. I will say this here however: you are not mentoring. Are you enabling? It probably is something you need to decide, not me, and please note that this is a question not an accusation. I think you and I should just let this sit for a few days, but let's keep in mind that you proposed a completely unwarranted sanction on me, hmmm? It is always your mentee that starts the drama, always, and always has been. It's time you acknowledged that. Houston, we have a problem here. Elinruby (talk) 00:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

@Elinruby Dear Elinruby. Am I mentoring? Not much, since I do not have time to follow what other editors are doing and respond only if pinged or such. Am I enabling? Well, enabling what? You say Marcelus is starting trouble. Perhaps - but all I see just some minor editorial disagreements (mind you, I repeat, I had no time to devle into most edits, I just checked a few at random, inclusing some, but not all, of what you presented - sorry, I am very busy these days; on the other hands I notice Marcelus starting new, nice articles like Sigismund Augustus Gymnasium in Vilnius and I'd hate to see him go and loose a valuable content cotnributor). IF there is a real problem - well, hopefully admins will see it and act. But please note that I am not proposing a sanction on you, I am just saying that uninvolved admins may conclude that the easiest solution for a standard dramu on admin board is to sanction everyone involved, and I do not want to see you sanctioned (and would oppose any serious sanction on you if proposed, since I consider you both a wikifriend and a valuable contributor to Wikipedia). On his talk page, Marcelus told that he will do his best to stay away from you; I hope this will be the case and that it will solve the issues we are facing. In either case, I have withdrawn from the A-thread and I agree we should let uninvolved editors look at the case and evidence. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
I do not want to argue with you in front of your students. However.
I understand that you are busy but that is the problem. People gave him rope because they thought you were paying attention. As we both know, he does not consult you.
Point of order, he told you he *stays* away from me, which is not not true, and he is entitled and domineering when he parachutes in and demands changes for which he refuses to provide a source.
And I guess I hallucinated the part about an interaction ban? That would also be a sanction on me, and prevent the cleanup I am doing in Lithuania.
I documented several straight-faced misrepresentations at noticeboards. How am I supposed to trust his sourcing? Please find the time to go read my finished statement. I am not asking for a public reaction, just a good hard look. I can't keep allowing this. Holocaust in Lithuania doesn't even discuss the Jewish resistance ffs. I understand the importance of Vilnius but it is important in more ways than just to Poland, for example.
I would like to resolve this. I will give some thought to a way forward but source verification can't exclude Marcelus, especially given his misrepresentations in his appeal.Elinruby (talk) 02:20, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for elaborating. I think what you are doing is correct - presenting evidence for admins to review. Source misrepresentation is a serious issue and should be look at. If there is any Polish source that cannot be translated easily, I'd be happy to take a look. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
I am saying that at ANI he misrepresented what happened at AE and at AN right now he has failed to mention his final warning from November.
I do not know if he misrepresents sources because he doesn't provide any or when he does he sneers when I cannot verify his sourcing. When he deigns to provide any, which he generally refuses to do or even to discuss. What he puts in articles may well be fine. But a specific issue is that he replaced a bunch of my sources with and insists on using Wnuk, 2018 I think it was, who as best as I can tell is a respectable historian. On the other hand it's not online and not available in any library within 500 miles of here. And this is for stupid stuff like the date of the June uprising, that *was* sourced to something online in English. It is true that sources are not required to be online, but English language sources that are easily verified are preferred. Seriously. Just look at the attitude on display. He wants to use that one because... It's the source he knows and he has a copy. And in the thread I linked titled "Recent changes by Elinruby" he just demands that I make changes, refuses to provide any sources that say so and just tells me I am wrong
And I am supposed to believe him after he implied at ANI that Cukrakalnis had had a final warning over at AE whitewashing Nazis or whatever, when in fact in was for losing his temper over being repeatedly accused of this. Elinruby (talk) 03:52, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Not to mention that he is claiming "trouble-free editing" after making that egregiously false accusation over Cukrakalnis removing IP vandalism from the lede. Elinruby (talk) 03:56, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Note that I did not initiate any of this. Those links in my oppose are ALL very much NOT Marcelus leaving me alone like he just told you he does. Are you starting to see why I felt I had to say something? Elinruby (talk) 04:00, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
I'm going back to what I was doing. Take some time with this. I don't need a reaction right now. Elinruby (talk) 04:07, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Władysław Umiński at The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction

Saw that https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/uminski_wladyslaw was among the most recently added SFE entries. I hope to see many more entries in the future! TompaDompa (talk) 17:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@TompaDompa Thank you - they forgot to email me with the info that it was public/accepted (I did not notice it on their front page). In related news, I wrote an article about most of Umiński's works, for now mostly in Polish (pl:Kategoria:Twórczość Władysława Umińskiego). Given the COI, I'll let you decide whether the article merits citing in our discussions of Mars, Venus, and military sf (Umiński work is IMHO one of the earliest if not the earliest example of Polish mil sf; I am particularly proud of my OR here, as no prior critical work about him has noticed the sf elements of those two works I discuss in my entry). Hmmm, we do not have an article about submarines in fiction or airships in fiction (just categories), so that is not that helpful yet. Some of this might be worth adding to our Good Article about Umiński himself too. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
We probably should have articles on submarines in fiction and airships in fiction; I recall both coming up a fair amount in the sources I used for George Griffith. TompaDompa (talk) 10:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Umiński was already mentioned on Mars in fiction and Venus in fiction. I added the SFE entry to both per WP:NONENG as both mentions were cited to Polish-language sources (I kept the original source on the Mars article as it was on the overarching topic and replaced it on the Venus article as it was on Umiński). TompaDompa (talk) 11:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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User:MarcelinaMajerczyk/Reception of the Jews, from the series “History of Civilization in Poland”

Cześć,

Piszę tutaj, ponieważ sprawa dotyczy angielskiej Wikipedii. Nowicjuszka w ramach akcji Wikimatejko na pl wiki napisała do mnie, żeby przenieść jej do przestrzeni głównej angielskiej Wikipedii tłumaczenie z pl wiki. Osobiście sądzę, że – zwłaszcza biorąc pod uwagę ostre kryteria artykułów na en wiki – ten artykuł jeszcze się do tego nie nadaje. Jako że brałeś udział w tworzeniu wyróżnionych haseł o Matejce na en wiki – zerknąłbyś na ten brudnopis i przesłałbyś nowicjuszce uwagi? Pozdrawiam, Filip (MNK) (talk) 09:05, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Filip (MNK) Witam. Więc w skrócie, tak: hasło można opublikować, tak jak na pl wiki, temat jest oczywiście encyklopedyczny, natomiast zawiera sporo niedociągnięć technicznych (trochę stylowych, są problemy z przypisami/źródłami). Hasło może być zbrudnopisowane jak się przyczepi ktoś, no i na pewno w obecnym stanie nie może być wyróżnione przez ekspozycje na stronie głównej. Jako, że prosisz o konkretne uwagi dla nowicjuszki:
  • widzę, że to tłumaczenie z pl wiki. Tam jest oryginalne hasło, niestety też niedokończone (tj. nie spełniające obecnych standardów), no więc wszystkie błedy i problemy przetłumaczono do nas. Przy czym moje uwagi w zasadzie dotyczą też hasła polskiego
  • za mała gęstość przypisów, na Wikipedii wymagany jest przypis do każdego paragrafu. Więcej niż jeden, może być też do każdego zdania. Musi być jasne, skąd pochodz dana informacja. Odsyłam poglądowo do Dobrego Artykułu z en: Stańczyk (painting)
  • straszne propagandowo brzmi "The depiction conveys the concept of showcasing the high level of intellectual and moral standards in Poland" i boli tu brak przypisów. Jaki historyk sztuki tą laurkę napisal? Można zostawić jak da się to komuś znanemu przypisać.
  • "Matejko presented us with a fictional event" - zły styl. Nie piszemy na Wikipedi "nam" (us).
  • techniczna rzecz, nie wymagana do publikacji, ale warto nauki (wymagam tego od moich studentów): linki do haseł istniejących na pl wiki a nie na en formatujemy szablonem {{ill}} tak: Jarosław Krawczyk [pl]
  • ogólnie, nie podlinkowano pewnych ważnych terminów (np. słynny rzeźbiarz Leopardus - jak jest słynny to pewnie jest hasło by podlinkować?, czy "jego następcą Aleksandrem" - pewnie to też jakaś postac ency), a za to są niepotrzebne linki to pojęć typu Polska (Poland) w środku artykułu.
  • do formatowania przypisów, i na pl, i na en, warto użyć szablonów cytuj. Poza tym brakuje pewnych danych, np. nr ISBN książek
  • na koniec, na pl wiki jest "Historyczna akuratność", to brzmi jak kalka z angielskiego? Po polsku to chyba "dokładność"? Po angielsku jest ok :)
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 215, March 2024

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WP:THEREMAYBESOURCES

If you are so sure that enough quality sources exist to salvage the article, then find those sources and show them.
If you want to argue that those arguing that coverage exists must...

  1. Find a source and post it,
  2. Provide a detailed analysis of the source, and
  3. Integrate that source into the article

... all during the course of a deletion discussion, realize that the essay you quote only expects the first.
But more than that, failing to review sources provided by other editors is an WP:ABFish behavior. If I took the time to post a source, then I expect you to take even less time than it took me to find, evaluate, and post the link by clicking through it and reading what I posted before asserting that you can't know if each link provides appropriate coverage. If I consistently posted random nonsense that had nothing to do with the AfD in question, that would be tenditious editing behavior, and I should be sanctioned for it. But while we may disagree about what constitutes independence or significant coverage, I have never posted in such a time-wasting manner nor have I ever seen (to the best of my recollection) any regular AfD participant doing so. So if you have, then by all means, let's sanction editors who regularly post entirely unsuitable links and claim that they are sources. But failing that, by not reading links I post, you're not acting in a collegial manner nor AGFing that a source I post will at least arguably contribute to notability.
Or is it not reasonable to expect you to read links? Jclemens (talk) 04:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, too often I have seen sources provided by, among others, you, that fail SIGCOV. I assume good faith, but burn me once, twice, thrice... I lost count. Sorry, but if you want me to consider your soruce useful, please provide a relevant excerpt, quotation or analysis. If you cannot, than based on numerous past experiences where you have provided sources that failed SIGCOV, contained nothing but a plot summary, or were unreliable, I cannot assume that soruce is useful. Now, to be clear, I have also seen you post good sources, and as you know, I have never suggested that the quality of sources you post requires any sanction - what you do is totally within the acceptable rules of the project (it is just not, IMHO, up to the level of optional but best practices). In my opinion the amount of not good (or at least, not good enough for me) sources you share in AfD is too high for me to assume that what you post is good to accept at face value as proving notability (in particular, SIGCOV), without the requested quotations/analysis. For the record, I try to preach what I say and I usually try to discuss SIGCOV or such (or provide quotations etc.) when I post sources to AfD (although I am sure occasionally I split too). In other words, if my standards are too high, I nonetheless try to follow them myself and walk my talk. You do not have to do this, but the results are, well, as seen in that AfD. I suggest that we either agree to disagree, or that you try to follow the best practices and provide quotations and analysis to show that the sources you found prove notability of discussed topics.Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
I'll provide an example of you, Jclemens, engaging in disingenuously posting irrelevant sources: WP:Articles for deletion/Death Eater. Indeed, you said you would proudly keep repeating it any time I see a nomination that lacks a sensible BEFORE effort. You say you should be sanctioned for such behaviour – will you now stand by your principles and self-report at the appropriate venue? On the subject of regular AfD participants who do this, there has been at least one high-profile case where a WP:Topic ban was handed down (though it was not the sole reason). TompaDompa (talk) 07:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
How long did it take you to go back two years' worth of AfDs to find that? I agree that those sources weren't what I would post today, but note that I mentioned their own relative weakness when I posted them. I apologize for not investigating those better. Jclemens (talk) 08:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
It took me no time whatsoever; I remembered calling you out on it. I have not looked through your more recent AfD contributions. Moreover, calling them "weak" is understating the situation something fierce—you misrepresented completely irrelevant sources as being germane to the topic. The reason I remembered it so distinctly was your admission that you had no compunction about doing so if you felt the nominator had not done their due diligence in looking for sources. TompaDompa (talk) 08:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Piotrus, I'm so sorry to have previously inconvenienced you by posting links that you didn't think met your standards that you can't be bothered to click any links I post going forward. Is that a fair summation of your statement? If not, how should I better interpret it? Jclemens (talk) 08:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
To keep this constructive and friendly, let me reitarate: please post not just links/names of the website, but choice quotes of analysis. Surely, you must have seen something in those sources besides their headings/titles/names? And if so, a quick copypaste of most relevant soundbite, or your own short summary, wouldn't go amiss? Even better, adding them to the article during or, if you worry about wasted effort, after, would do wonders for improving our working relationship. I strongly recommend that you try to contribute more to the mainspace, rescuing articles by actively improving them. We are WP:HERE to improve the encyclopedia, and there is no substitute for creating content. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
I've already proposed that an AfD nominator whose nomination ends in a 'keep' outcome be compelled to integrate identified sources before starting any future AfDs. That puts the onus back on those who take actions that, if unchecked, would have damaged the encyclopedia. (Note that an AfD of truly unencyclopedic material, with no potential to become so would be improving the encyclopedia; that's not at issue) While your AfD nominations are increasingly well written and propose reasonable ATDs, they are still too focused on the current state of the article, rather than its potential. This is a known philosophical disconnect: I believe in potential, you believe in looking at the article as it is. Thus, I don't take offense when you misunderstand my efforts as if participating in AfDs to keep encyclopedic material in the encyclopedia wasn't directly affecting mainspace. Indeed, it's my best "bang for the buck" in the limited time I have to contribute to Wikipedia. So yes, I will continue to label sources, but no, I don't see me imitating the awesome work Cunard does by posting excerpts and source analyses: I simply don't have time. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 01:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
ETA: FWIW, I only comment in any way on perhaps 20% of the AfDs I review, so what you see in AfD participation by contribution is a much smaller proportion than what I actually review. Jclemens (talk) 01:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Ditto (as in, we are looking only at the small part of the picture). I think it is best to agree do disagree and keep on doing what we both are. From plularity of opinions comes the gem that is Wikipedia (collective intelligence, etc.). Cheers, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
With all due respect, no. Your polite refusal to click offered links while opining in an AfD on the basis of current article content because doing so might be a waste of your time is still WP:ABF, no matter how nicely we dress it up. Your position comes across as a proactive middle finger to any effort I put in, in that conflates disagreement about sourcing (I think something counts, you don't) with bad-faith contributions (I'm just putting in random garbage to waste your time) that do not merit review. It's entirely possible this is ripe for an RfC, because I agree there's not likely to be further movement here, but the fact that we can be polite about it doesn't in the least mean your behavior is appropriately collegial. Jclemens (talk) 16:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Well, if you want to hear it this way: you reap what you sow by providing low quality sources too often in the past. Nobody (me, (@TompaDompa, etc.) is required to spend our time to review your sources, when so often in the past they failed our policies (SIGCOV, ALLPLOT, etc.). If you want to earn our trust, you need to prove that you are capable of finding good sources without having us to jump through the hoops. We did it in the past, again and again, and got burned. Per WP:BURDEN, the onus is now on you. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
@Big Money Threepwood FYI... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
This content belongs oj fandom not Wikipedia. Every character in every soal opera isn't worth a page Big Money Threepwood (talk) 06:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Deadline 1(Week 2)-LI LINLIN

Hello, professor. I'm LI LINLIN. I'm taking classes of 'Understanding Wikipedia' and 'Everyday Life and Social Structure'. I have completed deadline 1.

  1. I have completed the [Basic, Special topics, how to refreshers, and some exercises] in the 'Student training module'. Here is the link.
  2. I have entered in our courses 'Understanding Wikipedia' and 'Everyday Life and Social Structure '.

Please check it, best wishes! Leeinm (talk) 04:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Leeinm Very good. But please note that as the syllabus asks you should live your messages not here but at User_talk:Hanyangprofessor2. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Collective Intelligence and Wikipedia Deadline 1(Week 2)：ZHANG ZEHUA

Dear professor

1.I have completed the training https://imgur.com/a/5RwX1JT

2.I edited Wikipedia ten times Xue Changrui

Please check, thank you ZHANG0822ZH (talk) 01:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@ZHANG0822ZH Very good. But please note that as the syllabus asks you should live your messages not here but at User_talk:Hanyangprofessor2. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

1916 Warsaw electoral districts

Hi Piotrus, hope you are well. I've hit a dead end on trying to map 1916 electoral districts in Warsaw, and posted a query on Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#1916_electoral_districts_in_Warsaw?. Any input whether these district numbers can be linked to some other administrative feature would be very appreciated. -- Soman (talk) 11:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Soman These days with machine translation being pretty good - have you considered posting a question at pl wiki? pl:Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Artykuły Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Review of Some Articles

I am writing to you and Marcelus as I think both of you may be knowledgeable on the subject. I note there seems to be omittance or brush over of the events of the Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia in some articles. If you have time can you have a quick look over the following articles to see if all is right: Anti-Soviet resistance by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, Eastern Galicia Volhynia, Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists, and Jewish–Ukrainian relations in Eastern Galicia. Thank you 79.154.64.32 (talk) 08:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Zwycięzcy oceanu

On 15 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zwycięzcy oceanu, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Zwycięzcy oceanu, a Polish young-adult adventure book from 1890, features Polish, English, and American characters? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zwycięzcy oceanu. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Zwycięzcy oceanu), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Re: AfDs vs BLARs

Because I don't want to blow up that discussion harder, I wanted to clarify something: I see AfD as often a final nail in a coffin, and only if I am 110% certain that it's necessary. There have been topics I've BLAR'd in the past and come back to write about when I found sources later (Wooloo, Dizzy, Baiken) or to allow folks like Cukie too if they did. Honestly if more people opposing such were willing to work on the articles I'd have less issue with any revived.

AfD's tend to be harder to come back from, as you'll sometimes have an editor attempt to re-AfD on the grounds of "the last consensus said delete", even if the reception was completely rewritten. It's the difference, at least in my mindset, between "Maybe we can shelve this for now til someone says something" and "maybe this belongs in the trash". Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Kung Fu Man There is no perfect solution, and I say this as someone who both AfDs a lot of stuff, and someone who rescues it (ex. Yoruichi Shihōin). But over the yeas I came to prefer to AfD stuff as it makes it easier for others to step in and rescue stuff that I inaccuratly judged unrescuable. As long as history is preserved - which I always encourage - redirecting stuff is fine, and if there's extra scrutiny when something is restored - that should not a be a problem, if something is rescued well.
To be clear, I appreciate your cleanup efforts, but I think consulting more with the community - which realistically means AfDs, unless you think WikiProjects are active enough to help - is IMHO a best practice. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

This Month in Education: February 2024

This Month in Education

Volume 13 • Issue 2 • February 2024

In This Issue

hello professor

My name is JINJIN YAN. JINJINYAN (talk) 11:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC) I known how to finish the assignments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JINJINYAN (talk • contribs) 11:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@JINJINYAN That's not fully correct. Please read the training module about how to leave talk age messes (you comment above was not signed properly) and please leave it at the correct userpage (not Piotrus but Hanyangprofessor2). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello professor

My name is ZixuanHE I known how to finish the assignments. ZixuanHE (talk) 02:02, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@ZixuanHE CLose. Please leave it at the correct userpage (not Piotrus but Hanyangprofessor2). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Inner space (science fiction)

On 26 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Inner space (science fiction), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the psychological inner space genre was a rebellion against the traditional focus of science fiction on literal outer space? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Inner space (science fiction). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Inner space (science fiction)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Balonem do bieguna

On 27 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Balonem do bieguna, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that one of the first Polish science fiction novels featured a trip to the South Pole by airship, a decade before a similar airship was built? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Balonem do bieguna. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Balonem do bieguna), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Morning Dew (Korean song)

On 26 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Morning Dew (Korean song), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Korean protest song "Morning Dew" was banned in North and South Korea? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Morning Dew (Korean song). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Morning Dew (Korean song)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

♠PMC♠ (talk) 12:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Hook update
Your hook reached 7,368 views (614.0 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of March 2024 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue 216, April 2024

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AFD of Yuuki

@Piotrus, [3], This source can help. The dogcat (talk) 04:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Piotrus, [4], This source too. The dogcat (talk) 04:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
@The dogcat I am afraid not by much. The CBR listicle does not inspire confidence because of its format, although I agree it has a sentence or so of analysis about her story. The other source is pretty bad. Bottom line, as much as I would like to see this saved, we need some academic sources or some good journalism, like what I used to save Yoruichi_Shihōin#Analysis (see sources used). And yes, I also used CBR but compare the quality (content) of article you found on Yuuki and what I found on Yoruichi. I am not saying it is your fault, I am just saying that sadly, good sources don't seem to exist for Yuuki, so she is not as notable as Yoruichi :( Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
@Piotrus, Well, the AFD is saying that cbr should not be used in anything. If you want, you can check the AFD. The dogcat (talk) 22:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
@Piotrus, [5], This source mentions Yuuki several times. And my question is will it help a little in the AFD? The dogcat (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Happy Twentieth Anniversary!

Happy First Edit Day, Piotrus, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 14:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Twenty Year Society

Dear Piotrus/Archive 69,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Twenty Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for twenty years or more. ​

Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 14:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

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