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CaseOh

Why do you believe that CaseOh should be deleted from Wikipedia? You did not present any arguments, other than the fact that you said “you don’t think that any new sources will appear”. Multiple other people have stated the exact opposite, including me, so I do not understand why you would think that. Case’s popularity is constantly growing, and new sources will definitely come out. Please reconsider in your vote for deletion. Antny08 (talk) 14:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Antny08: As I said, there are not any reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject. Saying new sources will definitely come out is a WP:ATA#CRYSTAL argument. CaseOh does not meet WP:GNG. – Pbrks (t·c) 14:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you read my reasons to keep that I created for the closer, I stated how 1. If he meets WP:SNG (which he does), it says he does not need to meet WP:GNG, and 2. Two of the sources in the article I believe do meet WP:GNG. I do not believe it is a Crystal argument. He is a very popular figure with no stop in popularity, so based on the rate of sources now there are gaurenteed to be more soon, it’s hardly even an assumption since it’s pretty much gaurenteed. You are saying you don’t think that more sources will appear, you are the only one who said that, but most people including me believe the opposite. Deleting the article makes no sense, since time should be given to improve it. Antny08 (talk) 14:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Antny08: I do not believe that he meets that SNG criteria. The sources present have one of two problems: (1) If it is a reliable source (e.g. Esports Illustrated), then it does not contain significant coverage of the subject; and (2) If it contains significant coverage of the subject, then it is not reliable (e.g. Sportskeeda). It is absolutely, 100% a crystal argument to say that sources will exist in the future. – Pbrks (t·c) 14:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then isn’t it also a crystal argument to say sources won’t exist in the future? Also, WP:SNG is not WP:GNG. All you need to do is prove that they won a significant award for WP:SNG, which he did and the sources do prove that. I think at least some of the ESports Illustrated articles provide significant coverage of him. It is more than just a list entry, there is a whole paragraph talking about him, and there are 2 photos featured of him in one of the articles, including in the main photo of that article. Antny08 (talk) 14:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Antny08: Yes, it is a crystal argument to say that arguments won't exist, and while I did mention that I don't believe sources will come in the near future, that was not my rationale. For one, I do not believe the subject meets WP:NBIO (the Streamer Awards is hardly a well-known award). Moreover, if you read NBIO, you would have seen that meeting one or more does [criteria] not guarantee that a subject should be included. Lastly, if the most coverage from a reliable source that we have is "a whole paragraph" and a few images, then the subject certainly is not notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. – Pbrks (t·c) 15:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In WP:Notability, it states,
“A topic is presumed to merit an article if:
  1. It meets either the general notability guideline (GNG) below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline (SNG); and
  2. It is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy.“
It says it must either meet GNG OR SNG. The Streamer Awards is not hardly a well-known award. This year, the event had 645,000 concurrent viewers, with similar amounts in previous years. It was broadcasted by many popular celebrities and internet streamers, along with many celebrities in attendance. Less than 100 people have won something from the Streamer Awards, making it significant. That viewer count also definitely makes it well-known. Antny08 (talk) 15:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The (intentional) problem here is that the "well-known" is subjective, so it is a matter of opinion. I am aware of the viewership, and I do not consider that to be a significant enough number to be deemed "well-known". Well-known awards would be the Academy Awards, Golden Globes, Grammy Awards, ARIA Music Awards, The Emmy Awards, etc. Lastly, a presumption of notability is not the same as a guarantee of notability. A presumption of notability means we give the subject an initial "benefit of the doubt" at AfD. It does not mean it gets a "free pass" at AfD. – Pbrks (t·c) 15:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but it does not seem like anybody is giving CaseOh the “benefit of the doubt”. Also, the AIMA Music Awards only received less than 300,000 viewers last year. So if you perceive that to be well-known, then so is The Streamer Awards. Antny08 (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Antny08: I am moving this discussion to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CaseOh. – Pbrks (t·c) 15:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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World Championship of Online Poker

Hi, I would like to improve World Championship of Online Poker article, as I noticed, you added the following tags to it:
- This article may need to be rewritten to comply with Wikipedia's quality standards. (November 2019)
- This article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably. (November 2019)
- This article is in list format but may read better as prose. (November 2019)

My idea is to divide it by year, keeping only the main article with the results of the main champions only (Only one tournament in the tournament series per year is the main event), statistics per country, most winners (all the main information), leaving all other tournaments on the series on the results article for each year. Will be the same we have today with World Series of Poker article:
Have the main article as World Series of Poker and results page per year like:
2022 World Series of Poker
2021 World Series of Poker
2020 World Series of Poker...
Of course I'll add references inside all articles and media coverage references.
Sounds good? Julian.karasinski2 (talk) 04:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PUBG MOBILE NOVA ROSTER

It's better to keep it because people want it to be a part of the Nova History...... Your thoughts? Militarylover6194 (talk) 23:56, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Militarylover6194: No, it's unsourced; if the former roster is relevant, then it should be referenced and written in prose. Lists of former players are better suited for places like Liquipedia. WP:NOT is relevant. – Pbrks (t·c) 02:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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