User talk:IronAngelAlice
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i suggest
you go away and attempt to make an in depth study of logic and falalcies before trying to play with the big boyz on the H-H Hoppe article again. the ability to study the nuances of logic is not something which can be taught and is dependent on your Iq so i'm not sure how successful you'll be.
thaaaaaanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.116.110 (talk) 20:23, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
I have been sort of
following your travails on the feminazi article and have been debating, as you seem to be doing now, whether or not it is worth my time to get involved. My compromise was to let you know that there are folks out here glad to see you fighting the good fight for us. I have on several occasions discovered what you are now learning (or likely already knew) that the True Believer (see Eric Hoffer ) will never back off because to do so is to let the side down, and those “sides” are often very unforgiving since they are driven by pre-ordained dogma rather than . . . … something else. Often (opinion) backing off for a breather is a good thing to do because the fight will still be there when you get back. Thanks, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 21:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello Alice
this is a really funky message, but I am being interviewed by the BBC and they want me typing something on wikipedia so I decided to write to you. they will let me know when to stop doing this. Until then, I'm typing onward. i will take some time later and explain exactly what it afoot. Thanks for being a good sport. The are now dealing with "reflections" - I can only imagine what that might be. So I have a daughter who is getting a PhD in History and Women's Studies and I am thinking of asking her to take a look at the feminazi thing. She is not above saying, "Dad, I'm trying to write my theses, (Gender and Punk Rock - I'm so proud of her) I don't have time for assholes like this" but who knows. I think that they are figuring out what to do about the "reflection" They are deciding, I think, that the reflection is sort artsy, so is okay. Have you ever had a camera rolling at you, with a boom mike hanging overhead/ It is a bit discomforting and not really conducive to goo thought, writing and certainly not spelling. Now everything is going nuts, Sorry about this, but I had to do something and you wee the last person to post at my user page. Now they want me to look bust again and then I promise to go away. ow they want a close up on m fingers, typing away. I am a sight typist, so can't do anything fast, Perhaps slow ois okay?? Who knows, Perhaps I won't actually sent this, but It is real, Well sort of. We can discuss the exact meaning of "reality" some other time. Is this enough? I am not allowed to talk to them or even look at them, 'cause,, that's not cool, so I just keep in doing this sort of James Joyce stream of consciousness, or is it unconsciousness? Who knows. More?? !! Meanwhile I feel sorry for the guy holding the mike because he's working but the only sound is my keyboard clicking away. Might be music to some ears, but . . . ..... not mine. How long can this go on for, I can't believe that I am that fascinating. But I can't look up because then we'd have to do the whole thing again. I have a project that I am working on. Sort of a half wikipedia and half not. It involves. a sculpture exhibit that took place Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 00:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- Too funny. I feel like I'm seeing Wikipedia through Babel Fish.--IronAngelAlice (talk) 22:20, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- If Babel Fish translated cultures then that might have been exactly what was going on. I am a bit sorry (and a bit not) for writing the above to you, but it just happened. Living Life live, with no "Take Two" or instant replays to fall back on. So it just happened. The BBC are doing a series on the WWW and somehow I was picked as being a sort of Everyday Manin the world. So there they were. I did discuss feminazis with my daughter earlier today and she was mildly interested. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 22:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Edit anyway that you want. But I wonder how these folks [1] editing will turn out? Carptrash (talk) 03:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
September 2009
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undiscussed page move on Evangelicalism
Please use the talk page before making such drastic changes. HokieRNB 01:23, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Multiple edits
Your editing habits strike me as rather odd. While I recognize that you might want to organize your edits into separate edits, dozens and dozens of consecutive edits strikes me as excessive. I wonder if you are operating under the belief that each edit can only change one thing in an article.Heqwm2 (talk) 02:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
- Nope. Just cleaning up lots of mess.--IronAngelAlice (talk) 05:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
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October 2009
Your repeated edits to Christianity
Please let's stop before we get into an edit war. What you are calling POV is an actual survey conducted by professional researchers for Christianity Today magazine. Perhaps you missed reading the citation that explains how far it is from POV. You can't get any more "well sourced" and NPOV than that study. As far a global goes, we can only report what we can find. We can't make it up. You are welcome to search for global data on this point, but very likely it doesn't exist. That doesn't mean we should omit what's been in the article for over two years without complain. PLEASE! Stop being disruptive. Thank you. Afaprof01 (talk) 18:02, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- [| please see talk page]--IronAngelAlice (talk) 21:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- The Talk page does not adequately explain what are your real objections to this survey. From looking at your Wiki Contribution list, I sense we are close to being "on the same page." (1) The survey article is from a credible source. (2) It helps explain that "Christian" means different things to different people, and that different people act out their faith quite differently. That doesn't mean everyone is correct in the way they live out or don't live out their faith in Christ. It just shows that one size doesn't fit all. (3) There is no slam of any denomination or quasi-denomination. None is even mentioned by name. But "if the shoe fits...," it's up to the reader to determine where they may fit. (4) I feel very strongly about leaving the survey, unless you can find something to replace it that we can agree is even better. I'm personally invested in it because (a) of the above reasons, and (b) I spent literally hours searching, studying, comparing, and cutting down the article into bite-sized pieces. To have you appear on the scene and rip it out for no reason considered valid by Wiki is offensive. If I'm missing something important, please correct me, but please stop erasing it! Thanks. Afaprof01 (talk) 17:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
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- Please engage the talk page before leaving a message here. I did give specific reasons for the removal in the talk pages and the edit summaries. Please do not spam my talk page.--IronAngelAlice (talk) 00:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did to Christian, you will be blocked from editing. HokieRNB 17:03, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Please stop spamming my talk page and threatening me. --IronAngelAlice (talk) 22:29, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Protestant views on abortion
It might be a good idea to create an article entitled Protestant views on abortion, because most of the material on the entry Christianity and abortion currently focuses on Protestant views. There is nothing wrong with getting into specifics when there is already a sufficient amount of sources available. ADM (talk) 17:02, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Sidebars
Hi. I noticed that you added the abortion sidebar to the top of a number of articles. While I have no position on whether or not the sidebar belongs in the article, I'm pretty sure that our MOS would suggest that it shouldn't be at the top of the page. Best, --Bfigura (talk) 02:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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Your disruption at Template:Abortion
Please engage in discussion at the template's talk page, instead of a pattern of disruption. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 04:32, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I did, you did not when you made massive changes. --IronAngelAlice (talk) 04:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
- You are doing this, again, at Abortion and mental health. You keep reverting with no explanation whatsoever. Please engage in a discussion at the template's talk page. Please take a break from your reverting spree, until we have had a chance to discuss this. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 04:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Religion and abortion, etc.
Can you explain on the talk page of one or more of these articles what POV problems you perceive in the recent version that you're reverting away from? I'm sympathetic to your statement that this version is biased, but it is impossible for us to work together to correct the bias unless specific problems are identified. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:17, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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August 2019
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Bishonen | talk 15:12, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
IronAngelAlice (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I'm not going to Sealion with a Mens Rights Activist. The term "Feminazi" as used is a pejorative term to refer to *all* feminists as a way to silence discussion. This has been documented again and again. I don't see where the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) defines "feminazi" because you didn't link to that. I do see where dictionary.com defines it as it is being used. (Read the articles written by women who've been called 'feminazi's and silenced because of if.') If Wikipedia wants to prevent me from editing, this is consistent with their hostility toward women editors.
Decline reason:
I'm not sure what you mean when you say "I'm not going to Sealion with a Mens Rights Activist" (emphasis mine) I speculate this is an autocorrect problem. Note that multiple editors reverted your change. You are therefore obligated to refrain from reintroducing the change until you obtain consensus on the article's talk page. This is covered in WP:EW. Note that it is not relevant whether or not your edit is correct. Note also that I am not part of this dispute and am not a Mens Rights Activist, I'm simply informing you of how Wikipedia resolves WP:DISPUTEs. Yamla (talk) 21:37, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
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Request reason:
This is Sealioning. Please read it and make yourself familiar with it. It's something women encounter on Wikipedia constantly.
Please also read the following links regarding the usage of the pejorative term "feminazi." I am an academic who studies this use of language and I don't have a lot of time to argue back and forth with people who don't have subject matter knowledge. Further, as a Jew I find this term incredibly insulting.
https://www.mediamatters.org/rush-limbaugh/feminazi-history-limbaughs-trademark-slur-against-women
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11963868/Feminazi-Its-never-OK-to-call-anyone-a-Nazi-even-us-feminists.html
https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-08-03/check-out-cumbia-response-word-feminazi
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/03/16/feminism-glossary-lexicon-language/99120600/
https://womenintheworld.com/2015/10/24/gloria-steinem-explains-who-turned-the-word-feminism-into-a-bad-word/
https://time.com/4085396/gloria-steinem-amy-schumer-playboy-book/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8yoygU56lg
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Asking you to explain large-scale changes to an article isn't sealioning. This goes doubly for the removal of well-sourced content. For example, you said above, "I don't see where the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) defines "feminazi" because you didn't link to that" - the article had a link (footnote 1), until you removed it. See this diff for an edit that reverts your changes and thereby restores the link. Your version of the article, on the other hand, was largely unreferenced, which is a problem. Engaging in an edit war to push your version of the article is disruptive, and it is disruptive even if you are right regarding the content. Since you do not indicate any understanding of why your conduct was problematic or how you'd pursue dispute resolution in the future if unblocked, I cannot accept this request to be unblocked. Personal attacks also don't help. Huon (talk) 23:10, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
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The reasons for the changes are self-evident if the other user who requested that I would be blocked read the articles I cited. He didn't even allow me to complete my changes before he started to revert everything. The other user's sources didn't say what he said that they claimed. And, clearly, the definition cited by the other user is not the only definition. If Wikipedia wants women editors and subject matter experts, then perhaps you should stop blocking us when we bring problematic definitions and articles to your attention.
Decline reason:
The correctness or otherwise of your changes is neither here nor there. The issue is with your approach to these changes, not necessarily the changes themselves. Yunshui 雲水 06:04, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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If it's the case that the reason for blocking me is my "approach to the changes," then this is simply a case of a more knowledgable outsider to Wikipedia being blocked by someone (Sangdeboeuf) who feels he owns a particular article. I don't know the rules and procedures of Wikipedia, while Sangdeboeuf uses his knowledge of rules (and how to petition to block someone) to his advantage in order to advance his particular point of view on feminist topics. This time-consuming BS is why you don't have accurate articles and why women don't feel welcome here.
Decline reason:
When someone disagrees with your edits, you need to discuss them on the talk page (or pursue some other kind of dispute resolution), not simply ram them through anyway. Especially when you gave no reason for these rather large changes and there is no obvious reason for doing them. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:35, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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I didn't "ram my way through." I was in the middle of making the edits, when Sangdeboeuf reversed them. On all of the other pages I've edited, the edits were self-evident and no one "required" a discussion. Should I now go around requiring Sangdeboeuf to explain all of his edits on every single page ad nauseum? It's abusive and exhausting, of course, and this kind of behavior chases away editors who don't have time for the BS.
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You've had five unblock requests. Enough. You are hardly an outsider to Wikipedia, you've been here more than twelve years and are outright ignoring what everyone is telling you. Talk page access revoked for the duration of your block. If you continue like this once your block expires, please expect your next block to be indefinite. On the other hand, if you properly follow WP:DISPUTE and Wikipedia's other policies, you are welcome to continue editing once your block expires. --Yamla (talk) 11:05, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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