User talk:HominidMachinae
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c y m r u . l a s s (talk me, stalk me) 07:35, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Notability and WPMILHIST etc
Just a quick note. I mentioned a discussion of Notability with the Milhist lot because (in my experience) they are reasonable bunch to discuss things with. Notwithstanding your intent to get the subject of notability and individual projects addressed at a higher level would you like to (or mind me) raise the subject while still fresh with them? GraemeLeggett (talk) 17:44, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
- It could be a good idea, no one at the village pump really seems to be interested in discussing. I think the best venue is there because as mentioned in the AFD there are towns we have articles on that have less people in them than served on some of these ships. If practice has shifted I think policy should reflect that. But military subjects include probably the second-greatest category of these articles (after municipalities and possibly fictional universes) in the form of ships, units and minor battles in larger wars. HominidMachinae (talk) 21:21, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
- I would suggest that WPMILHIST (and related WPSHIPS for warships) are a good starting point because the former has an existing guideline which can be discussed/clarified which has to be a good starting point. There is also the existing example of SC-242(?) which sort of hangs around what point does an individual ship need an article spun off from a class article. There I see it as 200 odd ships built to the same design has to be worth mentioning but the individual ships (if all they did was putter up and down the coast without ever seeing the enemy) not so much. Would you like to thrash with me out the question/topic to be posed to the Project?GraemeLeggett (talk) 22:44, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
- Sure, I'm always up for working with people. Basically my version of the question would go something like "At what point should ships be spun off into articles? And for the purposes of WP:GNG what is the threshold for "significant coverage" in a source that would help a ship individually, not as a member of a class, meet notability guidelines" My main concern is that GNG's "multiple significant sources" seems to be increasingly discounted in far more than just articles like these (have more than one reliable source really written about EVERY pokemon?). Most of what can be said about a ship without notable crewmen, engagements or deployments is "X is a Y that was built on April Z, 1943" Which is the sort of data more suited to a list. HominidMachinae (talk) 23:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
- I would suggest that WPMILHIST (and related WPSHIPS for warships) are a good starting point because the former has an existing guideline which can be discussed/clarified which has to be a good starting point. There is also the existing example of SC-242(?) which sort of hangs around what point does an individual ship need an article spun off from a class article. There I see it as 200 odd ships built to the same design has to be worth mentioning but the individual ships (if all they did was putter up and down the coast without ever seeing the enemy) not so much. Would you like to thrash with me out the question/topic to be posed to the Project?GraemeLeggett (talk) 22:44, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
- That sounds like the sort of thing. I would be sure to mention MILHISTs own existing guideline which is I believe a counter to the "if it's commissioned it's important" argument - and to which the example of a 36 ft motorboat commissioned for two years is supporting evidence. I would also add that it would help to suggest the concepts that people can comment against as it tends to focus comments. eg that an individual craft article should be spun off when it can be more than a stub without repeating text from the class article. GraemeLeggett (talk) 14:09, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Autoconformation RfC
A formal Request for Comment has now been started on this topic. Feel free to contribute; best, Ironholds (talk) 19:29, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for this! --XBoYxRoLleRcOaStInGxPrEcIpItOuSlYx (talk) 02:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Your Comment on Autoconfirmed Status
"The problem with allowing new users article creation ability is that they don't understand the community norms."
Just because someone is new to editing doesn't mean they don't understand community norms. That's a bit presumtive don't you think? You shouldn't presume or assume that new to editing means a lack of understanding. Sure 90 percent or more of the new editors may not understand the norms of Wikipedia. But you should give some of the them benefit of the doubt until we actually see their understanding. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 07:55, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Given the state of things over at new pages patrol I think that the existing presumption is causing far greater problems for Wikipedia. And it's not that they necessarily don't understand the norms, I'm sure some do the responsible thing and read up on the community and the rules before they create and article. The problem is that enough don't that it's becoming disruptive to the quality of the encyclopedia and having to deal with the waves of bad articles is taking good editors away from making articles better because we need full-time spam and cruft patrols HominidMachinae (talk) 19:21, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
FYI
Hi, I agreed with your "turning point comment" on the Rfc. FYI: User_talk:The_Blade_of_the_Northern_Lights#Serious_Wikipedia_articles. Ideas? Thanks.
Thanks
Kudos for the self-reflection and willingness to look objectively at what was being said. If more people would do that rather than the usual tribalism and battleground mindsets we'd all do better.--Scott Mac 19:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure bring the deletion review was a good idea: I think the close was wrong, but the possible benefits of discussing admin role in closes would be better served over a close of something more substantial and less the subject of personal attacks. As is, the net effect is, as could be predicted, to continue and exacerbate the personal attacks. DGG ( talk ) 19:23, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Actually I'm very happy the DRV was remarkably civil given the amount of ill will involved on all sides I admit I was somewhat worried about it turning nasty. In this case the deletion is validated most by the fact that now calm non-warring and civil eyes have looked at the close and agreed that it was reasonable rather than just the partisans involved. HominidMachinae (talk) 19:32, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure bring the deletion review was a good idea: I think the close was wrong, but the possible benefits of discussing admin role in closes would be better served over a close of something more substantial and less the subject of personal attacks. As is, the net effect is, as could be predicted, to continue and exacerbate the personal attacks. DGG ( talk ) 19:23, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
AfD of Mushroom sauce
I noticed that Twinkle broke when you tried to AfD Mushroom sauce, probably because the discussion page already existed as a redirect to another AfD (I guess that's how bundled AfDs were handled in 2005). I fixed it and guessed as to your nomination rationale; you might want to go to the discussion page, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mushroom sauce, and fill in any details I may have missed in the nomination rationale. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
ArbPol
I've read what you say accompanying your vote and would like you to re-consider, particularly with regard to private cases. I've laid out some of my reasons here on the ArbPol talk page. Thanks in advance for your time, Roger Davies talk 22:04, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
- I added my reply at that page. I'd like to re-iterate though that my opinion is not because of any problem I have with any arbiter, past or present, or with the proceedings of the arbcom to this point. My concern is solely for the appearance of impropriety. If we always have arbcom members as upstanding as we have, it would be no actual problem in practice, but my concerns are for the future and for how things appear to both the wikipedia community and wiki-watchdogs. HominidMachinae (talk) 00:53, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments. I've replied there. I ask you here though is your concern about the appearance of impropriety over one small issue sufficient and good ground for opposing the entire updated policy, which - by very broad consensus - it is significant/substantial improvement over the current one? Roger Davies talk 05:40, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
- honestly that's the reason I dislike all-or-nothing proposals. I'm asked to support even the part I have a problem with or throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm not sure how I feel I'll have to think about it. HominidMachinae (talk) 07:32, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
- Any other kind of proposal here would have been impossible simply because all sorts of broader community issues would be coatracked in (the precise nature of Jimmy's constitutional role, for instance). But what is on offer has been through a very very long (two years) and very very detailed (80,000 words of discussion) consensus gathering process and is probably the best that could be achieved. Not all of it will please everyone, but broadly it's a massive improvement over what we have got (making arbitrators more accountable via recall, being just one example) and there is very wide agreement that it is better. What is significant here is the amount of support that has come from notable ArbCom critics (MZMcBride, Bishonen, Heimstern Laufer etc etc). Wikipedia is about compromise and consensus ... Roger Davies talk 07:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
- You are right that it's a minor issue in context of scope. My main concern is that it's the only chance. Once set it will be set in stone, and I think there are more changes that should be made. Honestly, thought, my MOST major issue with arbcom is actually the fact I think they need more discretionary power (in public of course). For instance they *should* be able to decide content as well as conduct issues. At a certain point you need someone that can enforce consistency. Right now the best they can do is order people not to touch it (as they did with date formatting, british spelling, ect.) HominidMachinae (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for listening and reconsidering. I hope yuou don't mind me mentioning this but you probably need to put a ":" before the "#" in your oppose vote to make it absolutely clear you're striking the vote and not just the comment. If you are going to support, you need to add a vote in the support column too.
- The conduct -v- content is horribly divisive, with strong views on both sides ... We'd need very clear consensus indeed to expand the scope into wholly content areas and many people, including many arbitrators, would be opposed to it. The basic argument here is an historic philosophical one: content is always developed by consensus on article talk pages so content is out of bounds at W:AN/I as well. Whether this actually reflects and realistically deals with the present day realities is very much open to question. The current fudge is handle the conduct aspects of a content dispute, and to urge the community to find a route to resolution, via RFCs or whatever. Roger Davies talk 20:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the formatting tip I'm still what I'd consider a pseudo-new editor when it comes to the fine points of wiki-formatting. Also I understand that it's a divisive opinion. It's just the pedant in me that is driven nuts that we've been forced to say "leave it a bag of mixed nuts we don't have consensus for any unified style scheme." To me it makes us look unprofessional (a print encyclopedia would have a senior editor dictate what's what and you follow or get fired), but I can see why people that aren't the kind that secretly want to climb up ladders in the dead of night wearing a balaclava and carrying a tin of white paint to put in the missing apostrophes in "brides maids" movie posters think we shouldn't fight over it.
- The thing that used to get me when I started was articles about Americans using British spellings and articles about Brits with American spellings. You have no idea how jarring I found references to the "Congressional Medal of Honour" or the "British Honors system". I've got used to it now though :) If you look closely at ArbCom decisions, they're often in a mixture of American and British (Commonwealth) spellings, depending on the nationality of the arbitrator who drafted the particular clause. Oh, and grocers' apostrophe's - they still niggle me :) Roger Davies talk 20:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the formatting tip I'm still what I'd consider a pseudo-new editor when it comes to the fine points of wiki-formatting. Also I understand that it's a divisive opinion. It's just the pedant in me that is driven nuts that we've been forced to say "leave it a bag of mixed nuts we don't have consensus for any unified style scheme." To me it makes us look unprofessional (a print encyclopedia would have a senior editor dictate what's what and you follow or get fired), but I can see why people that aren't the kind that secretly want to climb up ladders in the dead of night wearing a balaclava and carrying a tin of white paint to put in the missing apostrophes in "brides maids" movie posters think we shouldn't fight over it.
- You are right that it's a minor issue in context of scope. My main concern is that it's the only chance. Once set it will be set in stone, and I think there are more changes that should be made. Honestly, thought, my MOST major issue with arbcom is actually the fact I think they need more discretionary power (in public of course). For instance they *should* be able to decide content as well as conduct issues. At a certain point you need someone that can enforce consistency. Right now the best they can do is order people not to touch it (as they did with date formatting, british spelling, ect.) HominidMachinae (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
- Any other kind of proposal here would have been impossible simply because all sorts of broader community issues would be coatracked in (the precise nature of Jimmy's constitutional role, for instance). But what is on offer has been through a very very long (two years) and very very detailed (80,000 words of discussion) consensus gathering process and is probably the best that could be achieved. Not all of it will please everyone, but broadly it's a massive improvement over what we have got (making arbitrators more accountable via recall, being just one example) and there is very wide agreement that it is better. What is significant here is the amount of support that has come from notable ArbCom critics (MZMcBride, Bishonen, Heimstern Laufer etc etc). Wikipedia is about compromise and consensus ... Roger Davies talk 07:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
- honestly that's the reason I dislike all-or-nothing proposals. I'm asked to support even the part I have a problem with or throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm not sure how I feel I'll have to think about it. HominidMachinae (talk) 07:32, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments. I've replied there. I ask you here though is your concern about the appearance of impropriety over one small issue sufficient and good ground for opposing the entire updated policy, which - by very broad consensus - it is significant/substantial improvement over the current one? Roger Davies talk 05:40, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Speedy deletion declined: Melchor Feliú
Hello HominidMachinae. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Melchor Feliú, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Governors of Florida are usually reckoned to be noteables . Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 06:13, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, given his very limited term I wasn't sure. I couldn't find an applicable specific standard, GNG seemed borderline. I'll use a proper AFD next. HominidMachinae (talk) 06:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
- If you think that GNG is borderline then Prod or AFD are the way to go - Speedy is for the Governor's cook not the Governor. But with articles of this era I would be cautious about applying GNG guidelines unless you have access to Jstor or better the relevant historical reference works. Just because this is pre Internet doesn't mean there won't be coverage. ϢereSpielChequers 06:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
- you know what, I just realized that I MEANT to use PROD but I used CSD instead... that is totally my fault. HominidMachinae (talk) 06:32, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
- If you think that GNG is borderline then Prod or AFD are the way to go - Speedy is for the Governor's cook not the Governor. But with articles of this era I would be cautious about applying GNG guidelines unless you have access to Jstor or better the relevant historical reference works. Just because this is pre Internet doesn't mean there won't be coverage. ϢereSpielChequers 06:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Speedy deletion declined: Antonio Cosentino
Hello HominidMachinae. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Antonio Cosentino, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 06:36, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
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Sorry
Hey HM, I have to apologize here. I missed that one post of yours on my talk page. I just noticed it now, but I see both AfD discussions were closed. One keep, and one delete. Sorry bout that. — Ched : ? 08:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Word choice
Just a quick note to thank you for the catch on Action 14f13 of murder to kill. I recently made the exact same change to the Action T4 page, but didn't explain it so well. That was one of my first articles and I think I was motivated by the special efforts over and above the usual ones the Nazis made in that program. Marrante (talk) 05:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
- No problem. I actually agonized over that edit for a good five minutes. At the end of the day though I felt that it's best to present it in utterly neutral terms and let the facts convey the horror rather than trying to with language. HominidMachinae (talk) 05:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. Did you see that your change was reverted? I have responded on that editor's page, but have not reverted the edit. You may want to weigh in there. Other than that, I'm on a personal campaign to rid the world of "no problem" in lieu of "you're welcome". It always makes me think that it was too a problem, only the other party is too polite to say so, whereas "you're welcome" is so beautifully clear and simple. My 2 cents. Marrante (talk) 16:05, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
- Never saw it that way, but you have a point. Thank you for pointing out the revert. I'm not going to edit war over it, the language is all over that topic area it might be worth an RfC over it because it is a widespread change.
98.209.39.71 (talk) 20:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)that was me. For some reason my new connection likes to log me out randomly HominidMachinae (talk) 20:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
- Never saw it that way, but you have a point. Thank you for pointing out the revert. I'm not going to edit war over it, the language is all over that topic area it might be worth an RfC over it because it is a widespread change.
- I agree. Did you see that your change was reverted? I have responded on that editor's page, but have not reverted the edit. You may want to weigh in there. Other than that, I'm on a personal campaign to rid the world of "no problem" in lieu of "you're welcome". It always makes me think that it was too a problem, only the other party is too polite to say so, whereas "you're welcome" is so beautifully clear and simple. My 2 cents. Marrante (talk) 16:05, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Entertainment Reference Desk question
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