User talk:Headbomb/Archives/2019/August

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A cookie for you!

Beautiful work at WP:BAGG! Really useful guide. Enterprisey (talk!) 07:44, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
@Enterprisey: Thanks! It's a bit old now, but it remains pretty up to date. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 08:12, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Unexpected comment inside a template

Hi, I have noticed a strange thing in one of your older edits. Here: Special:Diff/895474580 an empty HTML comment was inserted into a 'citation' template invocation. I can't guess a purpose it might serve. --CiaPan (talk) 16:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

It stops citation bot from touching that specific citation. Feel free to add 'Deny citation bot' between the start -- and end -- of the comment. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:03, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Bot request

Is there anything more that I need to add to my drafts etc. I have tried to provide sufficient instructions but if its still unclear you can ask, thanks. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:32, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@Crouch, Swale: a lot, but at this point, I helped you as much as I care to, whatever else needs to be done needs to be discussed between you and whoever feels like spending time on that task. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:40, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, the request has now been closed as no obvious consensus with a recommendation to use RFC which I have started at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Civil parish bot. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:04, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello, Headbomb/Archives/2019. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.TheSandDoctor Talk 02:53, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@TheSandDoctor: you know, you could just have put that message here rather than email... Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  1. Talk page reports are possibly no longer needed, given that JL-Bot now has a similar/better functionality. I'd like to keep it for now, to confirm it's indeed useless, and that no lingering corner cases remain with JL-Bot. It should still have the "Report by User:TheSandBot" final line though.
  2. This, however is wrong. That's the talk page report, and should go on the talk page.
  3. What about sorting User:JL-Bot/Publishers.cfg and User:JL-Bot/Citations.cfg?
Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Darn. Thought we were making progress with this. What about Special:Diff/909542800? How is that? --TheSandDoctor Talk 03:31, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@TheSandDoctor: That diff seems fine, I think, save the lack of "Report by User:TheSandBot" final line. But per #1, this may or may not be needed anymore. If JL-Bot is doing its job as intended, it's likely no longer needed. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:37, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Alright, running it again with a tweak. These take some 5-10 minutes per run so it will be a while. Re sorting: that isn't something I am concerned with in the least at the moment. I have so far been able to get very little of this task working correctly. When sorting is the last issue to handle and everything else is working great, then I will figure that out/address it. At this point, there isn't much point. --TheSandDoctor Talk 03:53, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
How was this? Given that it was running on the same page, I am honestly surprised that it is shorter than Special:Diff/909546793.... --TheSandDoctor Talk 04:25, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @TheSandDoctor: This looks spot on. I pointed the missing removals to JL-Bot, so that task will likely get absorbed into JL-Bot. But for now it's bang on. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:25, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
And it's shorter because of the exclusions/comments on the talk page. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:26, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Finally, something went right with this task . Just confirming: Special:Diff/908173337 on User:JL-Bot/Publishers.cfg was correct (aside from sorting), right? --TheSandDoctor Talk 04:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it was. Keep in mind the issue the sorting of categories might be a legacy thing. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:29, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Help w/ SIGGRAPH tags

Hi Headbomb,

Not sure if this is the place to post requests (I'm new here!) but thanks for your help with the tags on the SIGGRAPH page. If you don't mind, could you also take a look at the talk page for SIGGRAPH which discusses the two remaining tags (self-publish and third-party) and see if there's some way forward there? Thanks!

71.112.159.53 (talk) 12:35, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Bots Newsletter, August 2019

Bots Newsletter, August 2019

Greetings!

Here is the 7th issue of the Bots Newsletter, a lot happened since last year's newsletter! You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future newsletters by adding/removing your name from this list.

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Thank you! edited by: Headbomb 17:24, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

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Broken DOIs

Looks like we're scratching the bottom of the barrel. I also nearly cried at way too many broken Wiley DOIs in the past few days. Appreciate the understatement at https://www.crossref.org/blog/dois-and-matching-regular-expressions/ «An early Crossref’s member was John Wiley & Sons. They faced the need to design DOIs without much prior work to lean on». Nemo 08:38, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

A lot of those come from JSTOR stuff, I believe, since those were the pages I asked to run the bot on. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 08:44, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
@Nemo bis: See User talk:Citation bot/Archive_17#10.5555 / Global Plants DOI invalid. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:45, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

ref removed

Moved to Talk:Palorchestes#ref removed.

Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:28, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Move

For what reason? --Janggun Dungan (talk) 16:11, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Janggun Dungan: a few. First it's very odd for someone to create a draft and move it themselves into mainspace without review. Second, I can't see anything about other Tatort episodes, and I don't see that the sources support the 992nd episode being any more special than any other ones. Tatort: Die Kunst des Krieges also seems to be a bad title for it, and there are several inconsistencies in the article. Is it an episode? a movie? etc. People at WP:TV would be able to offer more help than me here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:31, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your explanation. To my mind, your arguments are open to question. --Janggun Dungan (talk) 13:43, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Thousand pardons! It turns out that I misunderstood your comment "into draft space so that it can ... get feedback from WP:WPTV. ... input from WP:WPTV would be good." I merely could not understand how I had to call for their "input." The fact is I am not as experienced as you are. --Janggun Dungan (talk) 07:33, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Digital media use and mental health - soon FA nom? Interesting at least!

Hi there how are you? I noticed you were recently editing Addiction vulnerability, as well as your prolific wiki experience. and thought if you had time and I could interest you could assist me as many others have in my cleanup and improvement of the Digital media use and mental health.

Theres a few page move / terminology discussions 1. Here (social media addiction) 2. Here (Internet addiction disorder)

and also I have had a lot of input from others here for considering the FA nomination of the mother article, Digital media use and mental health, if you have any further input!

New question today about the inclusion of internet sex addiction in digital media use and mental health - here. Terminology - should we call it problematic cybersexual behaviour, for instance?

Thanks so much for any thoughts!

Also many thanks to the extensive involvement of User:Doc James, User:Casliber, User:Farang Rak Tham, User:Seppi333, User:Twofingered Typist, User:Bondegezou, User:FeydHuxtable and others.--[E.3][chat2][me] 16:18, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

@E.3: if I edited that page, it was in a drive by way. I have no opinion on anything in that article. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:19, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
No worries! thanks. Just with the wiki project addiction being empty trying to find other ways to get comments. Cheers! --[E.3][chat2][me] 16:21, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Hi, when you add an infobox to an article, it's helpful to remove the "infobox-needed=yes" parameter from the wikiproject tag on the talk page, so that it gets removed from that maintenance category. Cheers! --Randykitty (talk) 08:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Pretty sure there's a bot that takes care of those. If not, there should be one. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:16, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't think there's a bot doing this at this point. --Randykitty (talk) 20:27, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I'll make a WP:BOTREQ soon then. Having the script remove the infobox needed thing from banners has been requested though. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:29, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

WP:REVEXP

If you thought you had valid reasons to revert an edit, you should have specified them in the edit summary when reverting. Giving invalid reasons, and only on your third revert, indicates disruptive intent. 146.90.125.76 (talk) 23:39, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I did provide them. And I asked you to take it to the talk page the first time, per WP:BRD, which you have yet to do. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:40, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

InfoboxJournal.js

Hi, I realize that you want to use your new toy, but honestly, I fail to see the interest of edits like this. All that happened here was adding empty fields to the infobox, fields that will never be used (it's an ornithology journal, so we'll never have a Bluebook, MathSciNet, or NLM abbreviation to worry about). And it inserted a lot if useless blanks. Nothing however that would result in a visible change to the article. I'm pretty sure that I've once seen some guideline/policy to avoid edits that don't result in a visible change in output. Why waste time on edits like this? --Randykitty (talk) 19:26, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Right now, I'm mostly testing it. I agree that Bluebook/MathSciNet/NLM could be optional/not added by default. Couple of other things could also be ommited, like |peer-review= or |ISSNlabel=. That said, the infobox is now incredibly much easier to edit. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:32, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, I'll give it a try, although I've never found adding an infobox that onerous. --Randykitty (talk) 04:25, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Have a look here. THe old infobox still contained a line for the RSS, which is deprecated. The script should simply remove that instead of appending it at the bottom. --Randykitty (talk) 09:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Yup, that and atom. It's on the to do list. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 11:22, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Nocebo

This page seems to use a non-standard citation format, and I have no idea how to fix it. Since you're something of a citation expert, maybe you could help me out? --Wikiman2718 (talk) 19:57, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

  • @Wikiman2718: what exactly is broken? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
    If you click on a reference in text, it links to a note. Then you have to click on the note to get to the real reference. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 20:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
    Seems things are working as intended then? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
    I'm not sure. Surely this is non-standard referencing? --Wikiman2718 (talk) 20:54, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
    What's nonstandard about it? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
    Normally citations like to the references section, not the notes section. I have never seen an article with citations formatted like this before. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 22:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Charles Darwin's Illness (health)

Dear Headbomb, I am impressed by your massive contribution to Wikipedia and pleased that some of the more unlikely diagnoses for CD's illness have been regulated to the waste bin. I have moved on from the cyclic vomiting syndrome and now believe that Darwin suffered from a pathological mitochondrial DNA (MELAS type), inherited from his maternal (Wedgwood) forebears, a mutation that may be associated with cyclic vomiting. This mutation not only explains CD's illness but also the illnesses of his mother, her mother, his maternal Uncle Tom, and in particular the illness of the youngest sibling of the mother's generation. Mary Ann died at the age of 8 with MELAS.I would like my more recent paper to be referenced: Hayman J. Charles Darwin's mitochondria. Genetics. 2013;194(1):21–25. doi:10.1534/genetics.113.151241 With best wishes,203.45.114.105 (talk) 04:33, 17 August 2019 (UTC) John H

Not really sure what I'm expected to do here, I have no medical background, or particular insight about Charles Darwin's illness. I suggest you try WT:MED. However, see also WP:COI. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:43, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Biannual?

Hallo, I've seen several of your edits lately changing "2/year" etc to "biannual". I don't think this is an improvement as "biennial" is so easily confused, and "bimonthly" means "every two months" rather than "2/month". Is there a guide or policy supporting your change? I can't see anything in the infobox documentation or the essay on how to write about journals, but would be happy to start a discussion at an appropriate place. PamD 05:44, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Biennial is once per two years, 2/month is ~biweekly (or 24/year if you want to be more accurate). See our category descriptions Category:Biannual journals, Category:Bimonthly journals, etc. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 10:18, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
This really should be discussed on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Academic Journals. Tokenzero (talk) 10:32, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Bi- = two, semi- = half. —DIYeditor (talk) 08:08, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I've now raised this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Academic Journals#Biannual?, and along the way have found a set of examples showing that "...ennial" is misunderstood/misused. PamD 10:47, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Typo in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Academic Journals

I think you mean "6/year"? All so confusing! PamD

Typed too fast, but yes. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:48, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

WP:INDENT

I know you are not a new user but I am aware that you are using an alternate indent style. I think it causes confusion and doesn't follow the logic or flow of WP:INDENT. Also it may fail WP:LISTGAP by following * with *** or : with :::? I don't believe that is permissible on its own.

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not:

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A logical flow may be important for people with screen readers. Thanks for your consideration. —DIYeditor (talk) 08:06, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Feel free to fix stuff if you come across it, but I can't spare the mental capacity to figure out the intricate details of WP:INDENT/WP:LISTGAP and commit them to memory. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
One simple rule to preserve the list structure (in spite of the name of the page Wikipedia:Indentation, the : syntax produces HTML list items, not indents): Copy the prefix of the immediately preceding comment, and optionally add one *, #, or :. See User:Isaacl/On wikitext list markup for more details. isaacl (talk) 16:56, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject status

Hey HB, I say you reverted my add of {{Wikiproject status}} to Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia; I added it at the bottom to try to make it as unobtrusive as possible. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Council uses that tag to track projects (active ones, in this case) within Category:WikiProjects by status. Are you ok with my re-adding it (again, at the bottom) to facilitate management of the WikiProject subspace? Let me know, and thanks, UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

You could just add Category:Active WikiProjects directly, rather than clutter the page with that. However, I just added a new option to the banner |hide=yes, which will categorize things, but hide the banner itself. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I will use that parameter. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:09, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Bell Labs Technical Journal

FYI, your page mover user right allows you to do this type of page swap yourself. Instructions for how to do this are at WP:ROBIN, and I recommend this script to make it really easy. Hope that helps! – bradv🍁 13:59, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Uh what do you know, you're right. Always thought this was an admin-only thing. Good to know! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:02, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Sending message to WikiProjects

Hello again! I hope you're doing well!

I have a favour to ask. Can you recommend or provide a bot that could allow me to send a message to talk pages of all of the WikiProjects? (I seem to recall you mentioning such a bot when I last saw you in person.) User:Audiodude and User:Kelson have done a ton of work on updating the WP1.0 bot which collates assessment information, and I would like to update the WikiProjects with what's happening. Can you help? Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 03:51, 28 August 2019 (UTC)714

@Walkerma: There's a new way of doing things now I believe, through mass messages. I would talk to @DannyS712: or @Xaosflux: about this given they both are mass message senders and are also knowledgeable about bots. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:54, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll see if I can get a message sent out tomorrow. Walkerma (talk) 04:15, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
@Walkerma: you can post at WT:MMS (or, if its urgent and I appear to be active, on my talk page) to request a delivery. If you plan to make multiple messages, after the first one (or after a couple) you can request mass messaging rights to send them yourself. DannyS712 (talk) 04:27, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Bell Labs Technical Journal redux

The Original Barnstar
Your recent work on the Bell Labs Technical Journal is much appreciated! (Be sure to click on the link!) Steve Quinn (talk) 06:05, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

"Ulrich Erben" draft

Dear Headbomb! My name is Florenz Reinhardt (user page exists). I created an article "ulrich Erben" as draft. Now I am waiting that somebody moves the draft. I don't know how to speed up this process. The Facts. Ulrich Erben (age 79) is a well known German painter. A German Wikipedia article "Ulrich Erben" already exists. Some exhibitions in Englisch speaking countries are in preparation (London at Bastian Gallery is already done), so it may be a very useful information for English speaking art lovers. As I am a Newcomer in this area, I missed to add a category to the namespace.

Hope you can answer my questions. Thanks a lot Florenz Reinhardt --Florenz Reinhardt (talk) 18:33, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

@Headbomb:, I'm in the process of taking care of this. I left a message on their talk page here. I'll probably be posting the article in the main space. It looks really good and it appears to be well sourced. Here is the article in the draft space [1]. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 19:06, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
It might need more inline citations, but I'm sure it is acceptable for main space now. Maybe you could let me know what you think. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 19:10, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Jmd

Looks like somebody made a custom-copy of the journal infobox... See here. --Randykitty (talk) 08:46, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

LibriVox

Hi Headbomb. You deleted 3 links to LibriVox. Although currently LibriVox doesn't have a huge selection of audio books with the word "Physics" or "Chemistry" or "Biology" in the title over time that library will grow. These books are old and may appear irrelevant to modern research but they still have value. It would be nice to have access to free audio books with the most current information but copyright prevents this. The goal of this Wikipedia page is to enable people to learn about Physics. Many people have jobs and don't want to spend their whole lives sitting still looking at screens or printed text. Audio books allow people to learn about Physics while working, cleaning their homes, driving, walking outside, caring for children, etc. Almost all of the links on this Wikipedia page are to other pages with text or video. If you could create a link to LibriVox that selected all the audio books in the Physics category that would be ideal instead of just searching for books with the word "Physics" in the title. Thanks.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by GeoffreyEdwards (talk • contribs) 19:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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