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September 2017

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, but it appears you have written or added to an article about yourself, at Draft:C. Michial Jones. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:46, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question

Hello, Cmljones! I'm Jcc. I have replied to your question about a submission at the WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk. jcc (tea and biscuits) 15:21, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Herbert Thomas Johnson (September 20)

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Whispering 04:30, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:36, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

@Dlohcierekim is it possible to retreive the article, for the references that I looked up? I can remove the copy written content. --Cmljones (talk) 16:48, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Here are the ref's.

1.Jump up ^ "Herbert Thomas "Herb" Johnson". Find a Grave. 2.Jump up ^ Adamson, Doug (2006). A HISTORY OF KARATE IN GENERAL AND SHOREI KAI KARATE-DO IN PARTICULAR. Privately Published. p. 11. 3.Jump up ^ BlackBelt Magazine. 16 (1): 32. January 1978 https://books.google.com/books?id=GtQDAAAAMBAJ. Missing or empty |title= (help) 4.Jump up ^ BlackBelt Magazine. 17 (1): 45. January 1979 https://books.google.com/books?id=QNQDAAAAMBAJ. Missing or empty |title= (help) 5.Jump up ^ Black belt Magazine. 19 (11): 17. November 1981 https://books.google.com/books?id=NdIDAAAAMBAJ. Missing or empty |title= (help) 6.Jump up ^ Black Belt Magazine. 8 (11): 54. November 1970 https://books.google.com/books?id=p84DAAAAMBAJ. Missing or empty |title= (help) 7.Jump up ^ BlackBelt Magazine. 14 (1). October 1976 https://books.google.com/books?id=rNUDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=Herb+Johnson+karate&source=bl&ots=mNg015T4n5&sig=0Z-OBYJBBq9i0GHY_zWJa_iVwlo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjy55XYvbHWAhVB7iYKHSPlBxg4PBDoAQhBMAY#v=onepage&q=Herb%20Johnson%20karate&f=false. Retrieved 19 September 2017. Missing or empty |title= (help) 8.Jump up ^ "Great Hoosier Karate Movies and Stars". Hoosier Movies. Retrieved 19 September 2017. 9.Jump up ^ Keeney, Marsha. "Mr. herb Johnson". Professional Karate Commission. Retrieved 19 September 2017. 10.Jump up ^ "Hall of Fame". Retrieved 19 September 2017. 11.Jump up ^ "Living Legends". Sports Karate Museum. Retrieved 19 September 2017. 12.Jump up ^ Morgan, Phillip. "Hanshi Herb Johnson". Retrieved 19 September 2017.

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"New" Uechi Kata

Oye . . . where to begin. . . .

First, thanks for adding an organization. I will check to make sure it is alphabetical because too many fans try to push their organization higher!

Second, Ryuko was a kata created based on a Shorin-ryū kata as admitted by its creator Mr. Takamiyagi. It was never an "official" kata of the organization he was in--OKK--and after his death no one practices it. As indicated in the article, OKK shed the "Shohei" name due to improvement in politics which I will not bore you with.

Which brings us to Suparimpei. There is no evidence--certainly none that would fit Wiki criteria for evidence--that Kanbun ever learned that kata. The one tolerated by IUKF is a made-up kata based on Goju-Ryū and the fevered imagination of Simon Lahey. In other words, it is like, as George Mattson jokes, all of the "personal kata" individual teachers make up when they are bored. Most get forgotten. George Mattson jokes he once invented a "Yankee kata" but has completely forgotten it no matter how many students ask him to show it to them!

Soo . . . the bottom line is as far as Okinawa is concerned there is no "Suparimpei" or "Ryuko." IUKF tolerates the exploration of Simon Lahey's invented kata under the concept of it is easier to let people play with it rather than argue about it. It will live or die on its own. Thus far, it has not "caught on" and it is not an official kata nor a testing requirement for IUKF.

"And?" you may ask. "Why not list them?" Here is the problem: there are a veritable crap load of personal kata. So how and where do we "draw the line" in what to include. The Uechi-Ryū Shinkokai group have two additional kata that they make clear are simply for their training and NOT "Uechi-kata." There are many more examples.

Anyways, I have opened a Talk Section in the article.

Best!

TheDoctorX (talk) 09:02, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

TheDoctorX,

I have figured out how to edit articles, but the talk pages I am not sure if I have figured out the proper etiquette for. That aside, thank you for the history lesson, I hve no argument or discussion for the kata Ryuko, as for Suparempei, I understand you points, but Shimabukuro Sensei 9th Dan Uechi/Konan-Ryu is teaching and demonstrationg a kata he calls Suparenmepi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN5NbEXJlig hat would be my only argument for the kata to be included, but alas it is only one association doing that kata, so it may not qualify.

Cmljones (talk) 20:02, 1 March 2018 (UTC)Cmljones _____
Thanks!

I Gots MOAR Kata Than YOU

For Article Talk you can just add to it just as you would this talk. Just put your response below mine. If you want, I can add what you wrote above to the Article Talk so others--if they exist--can read it.

Regarding Shimabukuro Sensei's kata, I am aware of it, have seen it, and it is essentially him redoing San Sei Rui. In fact, the first half of it is the first half of San Sei Rui. Then it blends moves from Seisan, throws in a move or two from the Goju/Shorin Suparimpei. In fact, it has the same sequence that was used in Ryuko that comes directly from a Shorin kata.

Which is fine, it is a personal kata; it is not a Uechi kata. There are a lot of these. For fun, I have "Uechi-fied" the Goju/Shorin Suparimpei. It is basically a left-handed kata but I would never claim it was a kata Kanbun ever learned or even taught.

Here is the thing: we do know he collaborated with Kenwa Mabuni and others. We also know that Kanbun spent a lot of time "playing" with the Big Three: he would alter moves to see how they would work in application. IF he was aware of or was exposed to a Suparimpei for which no evidence actually exists, he clearly showed no interest in learning it which is in stark contrast to his work on the Big Three.

Then . . . comes . . . myths. This is basically men in a bathroom comparing . . . er . . . belt lengths. Yes. "Belts."

"YOU only have THREE kata? Well . . . I have FOUR! BWA!HA!HA!CHORTLE!"

Here . . . have a cup of coffee . . .

The uncomfortable truth is you cannot find "Pangai-noon" anywhere in China. If you accept Fukumoto's reconstruction that the "Shu Shiwa" he found is, indeed, the one who taught Kanbun, his "style" is lost. It seems, very long story short, that Kanbun learned three forms or put together three forms, then adapted them as he felt appropriate. There is no record of a "suparimpei." Since other styles share Sanchin--a basic kata--and the beginning of Seisan seems similar until the kata completely diverge, the question came up on whether or not Kanbun learned a "Suparimpei." Now comes the "belt-pulling"; why would he know LESS kata! I have heard so many silly stories from he practiced it in secret, to Kanei saw him practicing it and Kanbun sent him away--which does not fit history, but there you go--to it was in a book that Kanbun had which, like everything in history, "was lost in a fire!!"

Well . . . ask yourself why a particular organization in Japan only does TWO kata. There are diplomatic reasons given now--that Kanbun "hid" San Sei Rui from his students and only taught it to Kanei so Kanei would be the "successor." That is Japanese thinking of koryū; it does not explain how ALL of Kanbun's students learned it save the one group! Kanei freely taught it. So?

Answer?

According to the son of the teacher from where that group comes from, his father was not interested in kata; he was interested in fighting. So Kanbun simply did not bother to teach it to him. Period.

Back when politics were really bad, there was a drive for individual organizations on Okinawa to "be different." I will be polite and not name a person who, at the time, claimed Uechi "needs a fourth kata" because "it's incomplete!" His teacher was behind creating Ryuko and much like the IUKF "Suparimpei" it started as a personal kata then slowly moved to "it is the BESTEST HIGHEST kata" Incidentally, the same guy had a falling out with his teacher, found another teacher, and declared his teacher had the "complete Uechi" without any additional kata!

So that is the level of research and argument: a belt pulling contest.

The biggest fan of IUKF Suparimpei initially conceded it was made up in the face of criticism from those who knew. Over the years, he has moved from "not a kata Kanbun could have learned," to "you can't prove it ain't to me!" to "I think it is" to, last I bothered to look, "IT IS! THE HOLY GRAIL!!"

Anyways, some members of one of the major Okinawan organizations including the creator of Ryuko even decided to incorporate basic kata of Shorin and others in a drive for unity amongst the styles--"we learn dere kata . . . dey learn our Sanchin!" in junior to high school. True story, the name of the basic kata was "Fukyu."

I am not making this up. I made it clear that no American teacher would learn it and bring it back.

"But it good for children!"

I then had to explain to said teacher what "Fukyu" sounds like in English and that no teacher of children would want to explain to parents why he was teaching that to their Precious Bundles of Joy!

So would they be Uechi kata? For about two years some schools practiced them. Then clearer heads prevailed. Now no one does them.

Anyways, sorry for the Wall of Text on all of that.

Konan Ryū

Do you have a link to his particular organization. I tried looking, but I could not find one, even in Okinawa. That is not necessarily a surprise; for many there it is still 1974, and the internet is something that "happened to other people."

TheDoctorX (talk) 00:12, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

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