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RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins

Hi there! Phase I of the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

Proposals 2 and 9b (phase II discussion): Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA and Require links for claims of specific policy violations
Proposal 3b (in trial): Make the first two days discussion-only
Proposal 13 (in trial): Admin elections
Proposal 14 (implemented): Suffrage requirements
Proposals 16 and 16c (phase II discussion): Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs and Community recall process based on dewiki
Proposal 17 (phase II discussion): Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions
Proposal 24 (phase II discussion): Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process
Proposal 25 (implemented): Require nominees to be extended confirmed

See the project page for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. theleekycauldron (talk), via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 May 2024

News and notes: Democracy in action: multiple elections

Special report: Will the new RfA reform come to the rescue of administrators?

Arbitration report: Ruined temples for posterity to ponder over – arbitration from '22 to '24

In the media: Deadnames on the French Wikipedia, and a duel between Russian wikis

Op-Ed: Wikidata to split as sheer volume of information overloads infrastructure

Comix: Generations

Traffic report: Crawl out through the fallout, baby

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May music

Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old (OTD). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

last offer in May: photos of the river Rhine, and the adjacent Eltville rose garden, - high water and interesting weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Numberguy6

As this was the first running of an experimental RfA, I'm not sure that less than 3 hours was enough time to see how it would pan out. I would say that the candidate hasn't presented themselves well, and, as it stood at the point you closed it, I would have opposed; however, it might be the case that under this experimental system that a lot more objections would surface early on. Or that when a candidate can see how their behaviour is giving concern that they may start making amends that will cause people to start supporting. We just don't know. SilkTork (talk) 07:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi SilkTork. Fair point on the 3 hours. It was around 1:00 AM my time when I saw the RfA, and if there hadn’t been over 20 opposes already, I would have just gone to bed and looked in on it again in the morning. But seeing the numbers where they stood, I felt like the chances were very low that the result would be anything other than the guy getting beaten up for another 8 hours with hurt feelings on all sides and questions about where the ’crats were and why no one did anything to stop it, much like in last month’s RfA, which was halted at 0/0/0. Realistically I don’t see how this RfA could have succeeded, and I feel like letting the oppose count get up to 30 or 40 before calling it off would have done a disservice to the candidate, but I’m certainly open to the idea that I’ve misjudged it. 28bytes (talk) 07:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

In cases like this it comes down to a judgement call, which you made as you saw it, and I don't see any real advantage to re-opening it, but I'm thinking that moving forward more information may be gathered if an experimental RfA is left to unfold a little longer. Just between you and me (and your talkpage watchers) when I saw that RfA in its early stages I wanted to put an end to it because it was clear that the candidate was not the most appropriate one to be trialling the new process because of their unusually limited approach to communication. I feel sure they would have failed under the traditional RfA, but they might have gathered more support early on which might have led to a more balanced discussion. Perhaps this is indicating that the new system is quicker at highlighting a candidate's weaknesses. SilkTork (talk) 08:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

All good points. Another thought I had was that it would be nice if people “held their fire” on additional opposes once there were 15 or 20 opposes already (in cases of <10 supports) so that things could run a little longer without fear of a pile-on. But then again, we’re already asking them to wait 2 days before opposing, so that’s probably not realistic either. 28bytes (talk) 09:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

My anecdotal observation of various polls or consumer reviews is that when a trend starts, a pile on follows. I guess we are communal animals, and there is something instinctively reassuring about following the herd and being part of the pack. Emotions are infectious - laughter, fear, joy, anger, etc - it's difficult to remain aloof from these emotions when they are swelling around us. Intellectually someone can think: "This doesn't need my oppose/support", but emotionally they get gripped by the moment, and want to be seen as part of the community. Especially as on Wikipedia we put a deal of weight on being part of the community. SilkTork (talk) 10:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)