User:TinucherianBot/Autotagg/WPFOOD

Comments and Appeal to All fellow Wikipedians by the bot Operator
Before everyone slaps me for being a 'reckless and brainless' bot operator, Allow me a chance to explain what had happened. I request everyone to patiently read this completely before jumping all around to shoot me. TinucherianBot is a AWB and Kingbotk Plugin based Bot, which can tag for WikiProjects based on 2 options - Making list from a Category or from categories recursively. While applying for the BRFA itself, I make a comment as follows "To be safe it will not run for categories recursively. The requester has to provide the end node category(s) for the article list collection."...Altough there are many other AWB based bots, I dont think anyone else would have made such a thought full comment while applying for BRFA itself. The reason is pretty simple: You might not expect Category:World War II to be a subcategory of Category:Thailand, but it actually is, and a bot will find it! It is usually safer to give a complete list of categories that should be worked through individually, rather than one category to be analysed recursively. I am not sure whether every bot operator takes each bot task as seriously as I do ( See User:TinucherianBot#Current_Tasks. I even maintain a page to record everything for each bot task I do , See example of WP:THAI Tagging for User:TinucherianBot/Autotagg/Thai on request of Badagnani.

Project banner Tagging and Assessing articles are an important part of the workload of most, if not all WikiProjects.However it is tedious to keep track of newer articles that come under the scope of the the project regularly and add the project banner manually. Hence bots are employed to tag articles based on categories ( You may see this is one of most common bot requests). The idea of Wikiproject tagging is identify and give the articles to the Wikipedia article editors whih a common interest and expertise. Nothing happens more than attention and contributions of more subject experts by additional tagging by a project, which is primarily needed for the growth of Wikipedia. If you are more concerned of cluttering of talk page , we have options of {{WikiProjectBannerShell}} which takes up very less space. It is also sad to see Some Wikiprojects members trying to 'own' articles by preventing tagging by another project , which is against one of our fundamental rules of WP:OWN. Wikiprojects like WP:FOOD have very strong assessment task force members who could remove unnecessary banner tags during manual assessment.

Now let me 'briefly' explain the WP:FOOD Tagging Issue. I am "_NOT_" claiming irresponsibility on what my bot does or did. You have no idea how much pain I took to carry out the request to add tag for WP:FOOD articles.It started when Badagnani , a very senior and respected Wikipedian, made a Bot request for WP:FOOD. See Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Category:Desserts_by_country . He had also said "A few of the above subcats have subcats of their own, and if the talk pages of the articles in those could be tagged as well, it would be great..." I could have used the Category(Recursive) option of AutoWikiBrowse(AWB) on Category:Desserts_by_country and just sat back. But I painfully collected all sub relavent categories in it and run only on them. You can see this activity on the above link. I did the same for Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Category:Desserts_and_Category:Salads and Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Food_tagging_request requests by him. When I in doubt , I always get back to clarify the requester as in Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Food_tagging_request . You can see me asking him "Should I include resturant subcategories like this Category:Hamburger restaurants ?? -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 04:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)" and "Sorry to ask again... I am a bit confused here... Does restaurant chains falls under WP:FOOD and need to be tagged with {{WPFOOD}} ? -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 05:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)" . I had then made a seperate subpage for me to archive this request User:TinucherianBot/Autotagg/WPFOOD.

It was then , I was approached by Jeremy (Jerem43) , a prominent member and assessment task force senior member of WP:FOOD with this request . Having successfully and satisfactorily completed this request also, He came up with a newthis request which was a bit aggressive.

""I have decided to get everything in one fell swoop, so this request is rather large.

Could you hit these next:

Category:Beverages
Category:WikiProject Herbs and Spices
Category:Foods

Again, tag everything in these main categories as well as all sub-categories except Category:Fictional foods. Thank you again, --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 16:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)""

I _DID_NOT_ blindly go ahead with using the Category(Recursive) option on Category:Foods on AWB . I told him this :

Important note : This is a huge effort that involves around 1500 categories and approx 24,000 unique articles. There might be wrong or misplaced cats in the subcat tree. I have collected all the subcats in Category:Foods and made this list . I want the members to carefully verify the entire list and remove ALL unwanted cats and give me a final go ahead. Then TinucherianBot will start tagging the articles in the approved categories...It is a pleasure working for this project -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

As you see , I then made this list : User:TinucherianBot/Autotagg/WPFOOD/Category:Foods myself and revised it several times myself eliminating the possibly wrongly tagged ones (with my limited knowledge of the subject matter) , which is evident from the page history . I handed over this list to the ALL the WP:FOOD members at their talk page here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink#Bot_Tagging

Important note : Jeremy had asked to tagg articles in Category:Foods and its subcategories... This is a huge effort that involves around 1500 categories and approx 24,000 unique articles. There might be wrong or misplaced cats in the subcat tree. I have collected all the subcats in Category:Foods and made this list . I want the members to carefully verify the entire list and remove ALL unwanted cats and give me a final go ahead. Then TinucherianBot will start tagging the articles in the approved categories...It is a pleasure working for this project -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I cleaned up the list and reduced it to 1256 categories... Please have a look -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I created a quick list at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Exclude, about 122 categories in all. Any one else please take a look! --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 07:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you... I did further cleanup and made the final list. The bot is preparing the article list now -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 09:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

As you see, everything was done me with maximum caution and attention and in good faith in the best interests of Wikipedia. I even took the extra step of leaving a summary on each and every talk page as to what we are doing so that we can get feedback that will let us know what step we will need to alter the way we go about this to ensure this is done right.

Kindly be aware and understand that I didn't run the Bot blindly and recursively on the Category:Food , but created a list of categories from main list, removed the possible wrong categories from them ( with my limited knowledge on the subject matter ) ,gave the list to the project members and got it further cleaned . It was then I created the article list by manually supplying only the 'approved' categories....and finally running the bot over the talk page of the articles ...

Much of the errors was due to mis categorization like Potassium_bisulfite included in Category:Food additives which anyone would think as a category that falls under WP:FOOD. Having said this , we are not rejecting the fact that we should have paid much further attention and caution while selecting the categories. Whether you all ask us or not, as responsible Wikipedians we will go around and cleanup up the 'mess' we have done. What should be understood by fellow wikipedians is that we are also responsible wikipedians with a good history of contributions. We are not vandals or disruptive editors

I am also a wikipedian who is credible and with integrity , hardworking for Wikipedia for the betterment of all , like all other people like you..."To Err is human and to forgive is divine" . I do apologize for all the incovineance and request you to help me continue with my bot. I work for and is coordinators for some of bigger Wikiprojects like WP:Christianity , WP:INDIA etc where the services of my bot is very essential. Hence blocking my bot indefinitely is also unfair.I promise to handle and 'tame' my bot more diligently and carefully in future.I appeal to all the admins and fellow Wikipedians to understand my good intentions and also unblock the bot TinucherianBot -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 08:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Request1

Autotagging for WP:FOOD per request of Badagnani at Botrequests page ...

Category:Desserts by country

Can { { WPFOOD } } be added to the talk pages of all articles in Category:Desserts by country that aren't already tagged? Badagnani (talk) 06:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Also all articles in the following subcats:

Australian desserts
Desserts of Brazil
British desserts
Chilean desserts
Chinese dessert
French desserts
Greek desserts
Indian desserts
Italian desserts
Japanese desserts and sweets
Korean desserts
Mexican desserts
Pakistani desserts
Polish desserts
Portuguese desserts
Romanian desserts
Slovenian desserts
Turkish cuisine desserts
American desserts

Badagnani (talk) 06:03, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

A few of the above subcats have subcats of their own, and if the talk pages of the articles in those could be tagged as well, it would be great. Badagnani (talk) 06:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Working :TinucherianBot can do this for you. -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 06:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Doing... Bot Running over the following categories : Desserts by country|Australian desserts|Desserts of Brazil|British desserts|Chilean desserts|Chinese dessert|French desserts|French pastry|Greek desserts|Indian desserts|Italian desserts|Japanese desserts and sweets|Wagashi|Korean desserts|Korean snacks|Mexican desserts|Pakistani desserts|Polish desserts|Portuguese desserts|Romanian desserts|Slovenian desserts|Turkish cuisine desserts|American desserts|American pies -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 06:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic. Badagnani (talk) 06:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Done : completed tagging of 178 articles of 385 that were checked -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 07:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

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Request2

Category:Desserts and Category:Salads

Thank you for tagging the above desserts.

Can the talk pages of all the articles in Category:Desserts and Category:Salads be tagged with { { WPFOOD } } ? Badagnani (talk) 07:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Working :TinucherianBot can do this for you. I am working on this -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 07:51, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Doing... :: Bot running over the following categories : Desserts|Brand name desserts|Cakes|Chocolate desserts|Confectionery|Cookies|Custard desserts|Dessert sauces|Doughnuts|Frozen desserts|Ice cream|Pastry|Pies|Puddings|Sweet breads|Dessert stubs|Ice cream brands|Australian confectionery|Brand name confectionery|British confectionery|Chocolate|Confectionery companies of the United States|Doughnuts|Ice cream|Marshmallows|New Zealand confectionery|Confectionery stubs|American Licorice brands|August Storck KG brands|Brand name chocolate|Breath mints|Cadbury-Schweppes brands|Candy bars|Farley's & Sathers brands|Ferrara Pan brands|Ferrero brands|Frankford brands|Gum|Hershey brands|Just Born brands|Mars brands|Necco brands|Nestlé brands|Willy Wonka brands|Perfetti Van Melle brands|Swizzels Matlow Brands|Tootsie Roll brands|Topps confectionery products|Wrigley brands|Brand name cookies|Doughnut shops|Frozen desserts|Brand name frozen desserts|Ice cream brands|Ice cream parlors|Italian pastry|French pastry|Tarts|American pies|Australian pies|British pies|Pie throwing|Savoury pies|Sweet pies|Pie stubs|British puddings|Rice pudding|Waffles|Salad dressings|Salads . Around 2022 articles to be checked -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 09:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Y Done : Completed Tagging of 1091 new articles of the 2022 articles that were checked -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 13:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

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Request3

Food tagging request

Can { { WPFOOD } } be added to the talk pages of all articles in the following categories that aren't already tagged?

Thank you,

Badagnani (talk) 03:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

WorkingHere I am again :) ... TinucherianBot can take this up. -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 04:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Should I include resturant subcategories like this Category:Hamburger restaurants ?? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 04:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again--I think Category:Hamburger restaurants and Category:Fast-food hamburger restaurants (as well as all other restaurant articles) would be under the purview of User:Jerem43 -- maybe in { { WP:Foodservice } }? See Template:WikiProject Food and Drink/Foodservice taskforce--it looks like the right one. Badagnani (talk) 05:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to ask again... I am a bit confused here... Does restaurant chains falls under WP:FOOD and need to be tagged with {{WPFOOD}} ? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 05:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to explain. User:Jerem43 is making sub-projects with their own templates. So in the case of restaurant articles, Template:WikiProject Food and Drink/Foodservice taskforce is good enough (you don't need to also add WPFOOD, because Template:WikiProject Food and Drink/Foodservice taskforce is part of WPFOOD). Badagnani (talk) 05:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok.. I understood. I will skip the restaurant categories and tag only the primarily food categories only.. Btw I have a suggestion too... Why doesnt the task forces use the common banner and use parameter switches for the taskforces like we do for {{WP India}} or {{WikiProject Christianity}} ? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 05:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Doing... Bot running over the following categories : Beef dishes|Pork dishes|Poultry dishes|Seafood dishes|Arab cuisine|Greek cuisine|Bulgarian cuisine|German cuisine|Hamburgers (food)|Chicken dishes|Brand name hot dogs|Fish dishes|Arab cuisine stubs|Algerian cuisine|Iraqi cuisine|Jordanian cuisine|Kuwaiti cuisine|Lebanese cuisine|Levantine cuisine|Libyan cuisine|Moroccan cuisine|Palestinian cuisine|Saudi cuisine|Syrian cuisine|Tunisian cuisine|Yemeni cuisine|Greek cheeses|Greek desserts|Greek restaurants|Greek wine|Greek cuisine stubs|Bulgarian sausages|Bulgarian cheeses|Bulgarian wine|German cheeses|German sausages|Silesian cuisine|German wine|Lebanese wine|Israeli cuisine|Palestinian cheeses|Wine grapes of Greece|Greek wines|Bulgarian wines|Hot dogs|German wines|Israeli wine|Ancient wines -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 05:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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Request 4

Food service tagging request

Hi, Jerem43 here. Thanks for he tagging, you just made my assessing job a lot more difficult. 8-P.

I have recently modified the {{WikiProject Food and drink}} banner to combine related food projects under a common banner ( you can see the results here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink/Banners))

I would like to ask you have have your bot please do some tag changes if that is possible:

Please tag all restaurant categories with the following string: {{WikiProjectFoodservice |Foodservice=yes}}
If the {{WPFOOD}} or {{WikiProject Food and drink}} tag is already present, have it modify the tag by adding the |Foodservice=yes parameter on the end.
On any article in the restaurant category tagged with the {{WikiProjectFoodservice}} or {{WPF}} tags, delete those tags.

If this is not doable, could you please point me to a bot that would have this capability?

Thank you, --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 06:18, 2 July 20

My bot can tag only a generic wikiproject banner like {{WikiProject projectname|class=|importance=}}. It doesnt have the capability to add a workgroup parameters. If you wish, I can {{WikiProject Food and drink}} to all categories you say...And then you can put a Bot request to add parameters only , deleting the {{WikiProjectFoodservice}} or {{WPF}} tags -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 06:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

That would be wonderful, thank you. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 06:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Just let me know here the categories and sub-categories , I will employ my bot to tagg them -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 06:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Anything in Category:Restaurants and its listed sub-categories. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 07:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Working I will start right now -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 07:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Doing... Tagging over the following categories -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 07:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Completed I am done.. Tagged with {{WikiProject Food and drink}} to new 1951 articles of 2529 articles that were checked -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 11:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Request 5

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 06:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I have decided to get everything in one fell swoop, so this request is rather large.

Could you hit these next:

Again, tag everything in these main categories as well as all sub-categories except Category:Fictional foods.

Thank you again,

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 16:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Bcoz it is a huge category, I will work on this tommorrow. Btw do you really want to tagg Category:WikiProject Herbs and Spices as you may find opposes from them. ? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 16:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh I guess that project is a part of your Food project. I will tagg them too.. No problems -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 16:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Important note : This is a huge effort that involves around 1500 categories and approx 24,000 unique articles. There might be wrong or misplaced cats in the subcat tree. I have collected all the subcats in Category:Foods and made this list . I want the members to carefully verify the entire list and remove ALL unwanted cats and give me a final go ahead. Then TinucherianBot will start tagging the articles in the approved categories...It is a pleasure working for this project -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 06:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I have made a list at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Exclude, about 122 categories. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 07:31, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Category:Desserts by country

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Category:Desserts and Category:Salads

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Food tagging request

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Request 4

Food service tagging request

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