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- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 16:44, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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River dolphin
... that the river dolphin is the only cetacean that can turn its head?
- Reviewed: Protopone
Improved to Good Article status by Dunkleosteus77 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:07, 26 October 2015 (UTC).
- Dunkleosteus77, I corrected the links in your hook so they don't go through redirects anymore. Also, some minor grammar quibbles: the wording of the hook should be either "River dolphins are the only cetaceans that can turn their heads" or "The river dolphin is the only cetacean that can turn its head"; I'll let you pick which one. —GrammarFascist contribstalk 20:21, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks for taking on this review
- Looks great, Dunkleosteus77. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer before that I was just making a comment, not starting a review; I usually try to review older nominations that have been waiting longer. But I tell you what, if this nomination still hasn't been reviewed in a week, ping me and I'll do a full review.
—GrammarFascist contribstalk 16:59, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Will do. Thanks Dunkleosteus77 (push to talk) 17:27, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Hook is really interesting and at 67 chars well under maximum. Promoted to GA on October 25 nominated following day/new enough. 22295 char/long enough. Neutral, no apparent copyvios. No photo. QPQ done. In-line citations missing at the end of numerous paragraphs: "Lipotoidea, has become extinct"; "Bolivian population to be a subspecies of Inia geoffrensis"; "river dolphins first ventured back into fresh water"; "classified as an oceanic dolphin (Delphinidae)". Citations for hook source do not confirm the claim, or I am missing it. This source [1] given for this statement "Unlike other cetaceans, their neck vertebrae are not fused together," states only that this dolphin can move its head, but not that others cannot. The next source [2] given for this statement "This means they can turn their head without actually moving their entire body" states that manatees have limited head movement, but I do not believe manatees are cetaceans? I did find this source which indicates that most cetaceans cannot turn their heads, but it says beluga whales can turn theirs making the hook invalid. [3] Maybe you can do something for a hook regarding their lack of the ability to smell? That is very clear on page 497 here [4] “the typical olfaction was lost totally” SusunW (talk) 02:54, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- Will do. Thanks Dunkleosteus77 (push to talk) 17:27, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Looks great, Dunkleosteus77. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer before that I was just making a comment, not starting a review; I usually try to review older nominations that have been waiting longer. But I tell you what, if this nomination still hasn't been reviewed in a week, ping me and I'll do a full review.
- Done. Thanks for taking on this review
The first source you've given is the source for the hook (url, currently ref no. 22), and given that all river dolphins are, by convergent evolution, very similar, all river dolphins can turn their head (also if you look really closely at the skeleton of the neck you can see that it's not fused together, an animated image can be found [5]). The second one talks about all marine mammals including manatees and cetaceans. There are in-line citations for "Bolivian population to be a subspecies of Inia geoffrensis", and "Lipotoidea, has become extinct". They were all placed in the middle of the paragraph, so I'll move them to the end. I'll add sources to the other ones. Dunkleosteus77 (push to talk) 16:57, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- Dunkleosteus77 Thanks for the response. Cleared the citations issue. Now appears each paragraph is cited. As I stated the source confirmed river dolphins can move their heads. I have no issue with that. It does not confirm that other cetaceans cannot move their heads and the source I found stating that beluga whales can move their heads makes the claim "only" invalid. Thus, we do need a new hook. SusunW (talk) 17:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- In that case, I can put "the river dolphin is one of the only cetaceans that can move its head", thereby implying that they are one of a few cetaceans that can do so.
- Dunkleosteus77 Please propose an ALT1 in the proper format ...that x? and I'll look at it. However, unless you add something that says other cetaceans cannot move their heads, I still don't think it is verified. If you add the link I cited above as #3, it clearly states most cetaceans cannot move their heads and you would be fine. SusunW (talk) 18:54, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- It says on the second paragraph of page 37 of this [6], the chapter title is "The Vertebrae of the Cervical Region". So, I propose the new hook should be ALT1: "... that the river dolphin is one of the only cetaceans that can move its head?"
- Dunkleosteus77 That source is good, and the hook is fine now, but the source is not cited in the article. Please place the citation at the end of this sentence "Unlike other cetaceans, their neck vertebrae are not fused together, meaning they have greater flexibility than other fully aquatic marine mammals, at the expense of speed." SusunW (talk) 20:37, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- It says on the second paragraph of page 37 of this [6], the chapter title is "The Vertebrae of the Cervical Region". So, I propose the new hook should be ALT1: "... that the river dolphin is one of the only cetaceans that can move its head?"
- Dunkleosteus77 Please propose an ALT1 in the proper format ...that x? and I'll look at it. However, unless you add something that says other cetaceans cannot move their heads, I still don't think it is verified. If you add the link I cited above as #3, it clearly states most cetaceans cannot move their heads and you would be fine. SusunW (talk) 18:54, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- In that case, I can put "the river dolphin is one of the only cetaceans that can move its head", thereby implying that they are one of a few cetaceans that can do so.
- Done
Thanks Dunkleosteus77 GTG on ALT1. SusunW (talk) 22:21, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- I'm new at DYK, what does "GTG on ALT1" mean?
- It meant good to go on the alternate hook #1 at the bottom. You changed the initial hook, which is improper. You need to put it back as it was scratched as not acceptable and now you have 2 hooks that say the same thing. SusunW (talk) 02:16, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing this. Dunkleosteus77 (push to talk) 04:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
- It meant good to go on the alternate hook #1 at the bottom. You changed the initial hook, which is improper. You need to put it back as it was scratched as not acceptable and now you have 2 hooks that say the same thing. SusunW (talk) 02:16, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
- I'm new at DYK, what does "GTG on ALT1" mean?
What happens next with this hook? It's been a little while and it's still in the Nomination phase, and I don't know what I'm supposed to do next. Dunkleosteus77 (push to talk) 17:49, 7 November 2015 (UTC)