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- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Orlady (talk) 05:31, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Jacqueline Moss
- ... that Jacqueline Moss guided tours of Joseph Hirshhorn's sculpture garden in Greenwich, Connecticut before he had the art moved to his museum in Washington?
- Reviewed: William Brown (tenor)
Created/expanded by Marrante (talk). Self nom at 13:28, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
- Adding ALT1 hook. Perhaps it has a bit more punch than the main hook:
- ALT1: ... that Jacqueline Moss worked for both Larry Aldrich and Joseph Hirshhorn, wealthy art collectors who each funded a contemporary art museum in his own name?
- This is a little complicated to find a one-size-fits-both verb because the two museums were created in different ways, but I can't think of a better word than "funded". "Donated" is another possibility, but then requires further tweaking of the ALT1 hook. — Marrante (talk) 02:11, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
I like the original hook. Both hooks are supported by good sources. Unfortunately, however, I have concerns about notability. The sources cited in the article for information about Moss and her career are almost all brief newspaper announcements of public lectures and art tours she was conducting. The main exception is the transcript of an oral history by Larry Aldrich in which he said that she gave lectures at his museum. That's very weak with respect to the WP:GNG, and there's nothing in her biography that would indicate special notability under some special notability guideline -- no major accomplishments or works or awards. --Orlady (talk) 21:25, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
- Is this not sufficient? There is more material about her, only it's not online. I've sent out some inquiries, but have not received any answers yet. The Aldrich interview was conducted in 1972, before she became curator of education. The linked article (first sentence in this post) is from 1984. Marrante (talk) 22:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
- Doesn't her cover of Arts Magazine also speak to WP:GNG? Arts Magazine was the major fine art magazine at the time. Marrante (talk) 23:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
- This also just occurred to me. Her first trip to China was extremely early and nearly shocking at the time. No one went to China at that point. They were some of the first westerners to ever step foot in China and were stared at constantly, even in Beijing and everything they saw in China was extremely primitive. In the hinterlands, they saw women with bound feet. When she returned three years later, there was no staring and the country was already starting to modernize. This information was recorded in her travel journals, but I don't have access to them. I have a query out for this. The date of her first trip was mentioned in an article about the second one. I will look for other refs that explain how early this was. Marrante (talk) 08:21, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
- I have amended the article to put the 1982 tour to China in context of the era, so that its significance is more apparent. Marrante (talk) 09:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
- I noticed the article and was very impressed by a woman connected to the Hirschhorn collection (which I like) and doing trips to China that early. A notability question didn't cross my mind. In the hook, I would link Greenwich or put a comma behind CT, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
