Template:Did you know nominations/Hieronim Ossoliński

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 18:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Hieronim Ossoliński

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Created/expanded by Volunteer Marek (talk). Self nom at 02:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

  • There is a problem with the hook because the article is structured incorrectly. The Union of Lublin appears in the WP:LEAD and nowhere else in the article. However, the LEAD is suppose to be a summary of more detailed content in the main body of the article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:20, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Good point! I fixed it. Volunteer Marek  19:53, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
That fact is not really well cited. The citation comes much later in the paragraph and it does not say the citation is in a foreign language. The citation should clearly state the language (which I am guessing might be Polish).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:15, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
The citation for the 2nd half of the hook uses the term "mooted the possibility of creating a National Church", which does not to me seem to support the fact claimed of "wanting to establish the Church of Poland"--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:35, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Added a few more citations and indicated which ones were in Polish.
Also, I can't find now the linking of the Polish National Church to Henry of England. It's in some other source, but I'm away for Thanksgiving so I can't look it up in books I have at home. So I took that part out for now. So here's ALT1:
... that Hieronim Ossoliński, a 16th century protestant Polish politician who helped to unite Poland and Lithuania also wanted to establish a National Church of Poland?.
 Volunteer Marek  06:06, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
{{cite book}} actually has a "|language=" parameter. Use that instead of the other method you are using.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, fixed that.
I still contest the 2nd half of this hook.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
On what basis? There's two sources there now. The second one says (skipping diacritics) "Utworzylo sie tez z czasem karne kolo poslow sejmowych ktorym przewodzili Hieronim Ossolinski i Rafal Leszczynski... Na pierwszym miejscu kladziono utworzenie kosciola narodowego."
Translation: "Overtime a faction of sejm delegates formed, who were led by Hieronim Ossolinski and Rafal Leszczynski ... the primary demand was the establishment of a national church". Volunteer Marek  22:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
It's the "modeled after Henry VIII's Church of England" part that's dubious due to no references. A bit ORish. Davies talks of a national church, I'd stick with that unless we have a better source. Also, I see no refs for "Church of Poland" term. Alt proposed below. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 00:27, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
That's fine. As I mentioned above, I have some source for comparison with England at home but I'm away for Thanksgiving break. Volunteer Marek  00:34, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
I can't approve because the term mooted to me means something like obfuscated or rendered pointless. I won't contest someone else who wants to approve the hook. I would approve the hook without the national church stuff.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:32, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Moot, as defined by my dictionary (Google): "Raise (a question or topic) for discussion; suggest (an idea or possibility)." Seems that if you raise and suggest an idea, you want it to happen. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 03:56, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Could I get an update here?  Volunteer Marek  00:55, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

FOR FUCK'S SAKE I NOMINATED THIS OVER A MONTH AGO. Volunteer Marek  07:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Reviewed Der Handschuh (Waterhouse)

Tempter, temper. But yeah, this backlog is annoying. Well, it seems fine to me, just like it did weeks ago, and since nobody else commented, including the editor who had the issue with English dictionary :> I declare this a pass (as ALT1). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 17:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
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