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The result was: promoted by Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 14:53, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Hülfensberg

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• ... that local Franciscans claim that miracles happen on the German mountain Hülfensberg (pictured)?

• Comment: This article was originally nominated in a timely fashion; see Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Hülfensberg credit?

Created/expanded by Drmies (talk). Nominated by Mandarax (talk) at 09:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

• Detailed and well sourced, multi-facetted article! Minor questions: I think the picture is not interesting, propose the more characteristic one. I suggest to explain that Hülfe is an older German word for Hilfe (help) and place the etymology below the table of TOC, but mention some of the later events in the lead. Will think about a hook for the cross pic, or will you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
• A miracle, to play with:

ALT1:... that the Franciscan pilgrimage destination (cross pictured) on the German mountain Hülfensberg, begun in the late middle ages, survived the Reformation, the dissolution by Jérôme Bonaparte, and the Kulturkampf? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

• Reading more, looking for a word for "Säkularisation" oppsed to "Säkularisierung" (secularization), I only found German Mediatisation, which seems more complicated rather than helpful. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

• Hello Gerda--thank you so much for your work and your thoughts. I will be happy to reorganize the article a little bit. As for the hook, I thought about having the two crosses in the hook, since that's kind of interesting, but yours is nice as well, and we could even add one: the division of Germany, linked to History of Germany (1945–1990). But the hook needs some rewriting since it wasn't (AFAIK) a Franciscan site in the middle ages:

• ALT2:... that the pilgrimage site (12th c. cross pictured) on the German mountain Hülfensberg, popular since the Middle Ages, survived the Reformation, the dissolution by Jérôme Bonaparte, the Kulturkampf, and the division of Germany?

• I don't want to involve the miracles since there was so little I could find (which is quite a shame, since that's my professional interest); the one story on that radio station's website was pretty much re-run three or four times under different titles without adding anything new. See what you think about my proposed hook. Oh, changing pictures is a good call. Drmies (talk) 19:32, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the suggestion, what do you think about a trimmed version - removing some doubles:

ALT3:... that the pilgrimage site (cross pictured) on the mountain Hülfensberg, popular since the Middle Ages, survived the Reformation, the dissolution by Jérôme Bonaparte, Bismarck's Kulturkampf, and the division of Germany? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

• I love it. Great work: thank you Gerda! Drmies (talk) 23:10, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:15, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

• It's 207 characters, but I don't think anyone will mind that it's so slightly over the limit. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:47, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

• Someone who minds could drop Bonaparte's first name, but risk to have it misleading. "Cross" could also go (I don't know if you counted that), you see that it is a cross even Main page size. Just the cross is not identical with the site. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)