Template:Did you know nominations/Bharatiya Janata Party

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:55, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Bharatiya Janata Party

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• ... that the Bharatiya Janata Party won an absolute majority in the 2014 Indian parliamentary election, the first time it had ever done so?

• ALT1:... that the Bharatiya Janata Party won an absolute majority in the 2014 Indian parliamentary election, the first time any political party had done so since 1984?
• Reviewed: Stanisława Leszczyńska‎

Improved to Good Article status by Vanamonde93 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:31, 1 July 2015 (UTC).

• Thanks for writing this article. Very well written and is informative. GA article is long enough, posted by due date after approval of GA. No copy vio noted. References to both hooks are order. QPQ done and verified. I prefer the original hook; Glad to say GTG.--Nvvchar. 04:14, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but I'm having trouble finding the wording for ALT1 and the source for either hook in the article. This is what I see in footnote 61:
• This is the biggest-ever win posted by any party after the landslide win Congress achieved on the strength of the "sympathy wave" generated by Indira Gandhi's assassination. So far, the only non-Congress formation to have got a majority was Janata Party which achieved the feat in 1977. But given that it was a combination of four parties, BJP's Friday victory marked the first instance where a party other than Congress has got past the majority mark on its own steam.
• Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:46, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

• Yoninah, thanks for stopping by. The wording for ALT1 is the sentence preceding note 61, "This was the first instance since 1984 of a single party achieving an outright majority in the Indian Parliament." The source for that is ref 61. The source for the original hook is 60, and you've found the correct text IIRC; the election of 1984 was the one following Indira Gandhi's assassination, which is sourced elsewhere in the article. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

• OK, footnote 61 is the source for the ALT1 hook. I can accept that you inserted "since 1984" where the source inserted "Indira Gandhi's assassination". But where is the sentence in the article that states the original hook fact, with a source? Yoninah (talk) 21:39, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

• The text immediately following ref 61, which is sourced to 60 after the following sentence, IIRC "and the first time that it achieved a majority in the Lok Sabha on its own strength." It is also implied by a number of other sources in the article, such as those which document the electoral history of the party, as well as the source for ALT1, which says that no party has ever achieved this since 1984, and the BJP was founded in 1980. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:27, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

• OK ... but if it's hard for me, a regular DYK reviewer, to find the hook facts in the article, it will be impossible for a casual reader. You should use close to the same wording in the hook as in the article. I have no idea what a Lok Sabha is. And that "absolute majority" phrase is nowhere in the article. Yoninah (talk) 15:40, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

• The Lok Sabha is the lower chamber of the Indian Parliament, the only one which is directly elected, and which in the literature is often treated as synonymous with "Indian Parliament," for that reason. I used "Indian Parliament" for precisely the region you give; that few people know what the Lok Sabha is. In the article, it is explained at some point before the sentence used for the hook; the hook, I thought, was to short to explain. I could link it, if you like. "Absolute" is in there because the BJP was once part of an alliance which, as an alliance, won a majority, but the BJP only won a plurality. The person who reviewed this had no issues, and frankly I'm not seeing precisely what the issue is, either, so would you like to propose wording? Please understand, I am not trying to be difficult here; but there are any number of explanations/qualifications I could insert into the hook, and I am still uncertain which ones you want. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:33, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

• Well, of course User:Nvvchar had no trouble with the hook – he's from India! Wikipedia is a worldwide project, and things must be understandable to people from all backgrounds. I think we should go with ALT1, since it is spelled out and sourced in the article. I would remove the word "absolute". Your distinction between a majority and plurality is nice, but it isn't explicitly stated in the article. In the hook, "absolute majority" just looks redundant from an English grammar point of view. Yoninah (talk) 17:39, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

• Agreed. Here's the amended version. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:42, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

• ALT1a:... that the Bharatiya Janata Party won a majority in the 2014 Indian parliamentary election, the first time any political party had done so since 1984?

• Excellent. ALT1a hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review per User:Nvvchar. ALT1a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:46, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

• Very nice. I agree with ALT1a hook.--Nvvchar. 18:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)